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ivar R'dhak The Rising Stars	Posted - 2009.01.01 15:51:00 - [1] Drum Roll! Awesome! Wish there were more men like this. Too many rabid feminists fncking everything up. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:01:00 - [2] Speaking the truth has become politically incorrect while imbecils like Roy Meadows come up with the most ******ed theories to get people locked up because they're insane.
Tyr Vaantau Amarr Disorder.	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:12:00 - [3] The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones. ------
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Tyr Vaantau The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones. His research speaks for itself.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tyr Vaantau The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones. His research speaks for itself. Yes, it does. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:32:00 - [6] Edited by: DubanFP on 01/01/2009 16:34:23 I think the saddest part is that IÆm in no way surprised. Most people have a horrible tendency to form opinions on the extremes and refuse to admit their mistakes. Many, such as the group in the article, will even lash out at those who present evidence to the contrary rather then personal belief. It's kind of sad that those who form opinions primarily of evidence and facts tend to get lashed apon by such people. It's ironic that they refuse to let go of their preconceived notions about male-female relationships. I find it amusing, in a sick and twisted way, that their belief of men only abusing women is the same sexism that they claim to oppose. I find that the refusal to break preconceived notions based on what benefits oneself in defiance of all evidence is a sadly human trait, man or woman. Where is the moderation? _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
Bolderine Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:13:00 - [7] As a former partner of a female domestic abuser, I know all too well that it's not men who are the only perpetrator in violent relationships, women do thier fair share as well. I would say that a good number of guys who hit their wives are reacting to their partners violence as much as allowing their own to come to the surface. Trust me, it's hard to keep your cool and not react when she's punching, kicking and throwing everything within hands reach at you. While personal feelings and decency tell you to retreat, even though you know she'll only follow, instinct is screaming at you to put her down with a punch and stop her. It's only because women are said to be the "weaker sex" that men get the blame for 100% of the domestic abuse. Everyone is quick to point a finger and say he beat his wife, but don't realise that he's probably had all sorts of abuse from her and even a few items from around the house launched at him as well. Womens movements not only fail to recognise this but also refuse to accept it. After I left the house when a particularly nasty incident occurred, I had nowhere to go. No refuges made available for men, no offers of housing from the local council, no temporary accomodation now that I was homeless even though the crime number (police were called) would have proved that I was not homeless by my own choice. Absolutely no help whatsoever and I spent nearly 4 weeks sleeping in the car before the local newspaper took up my story. Amazingly, the local council backtracked and offered me a place on the spot. It seems that even the government doesn't recognise the problem either unless they are threatened with exposure by the media. Women think they are so hard done by but they get far more help in these circumstances than men do even though they are just as much to blame. -- He who is willing to die for his country has courage - Hero. He who is willing to die for his faith has integrity - Martyr. He who is willing to die for nothing is suicidal - Certifiable.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2009.01.01 18:06:00 - [8] So emailed to my father. We love talking about **** like this because one of my stepsisters acts just like the types you read about here. We also know our attitude really makes her mad.
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:29:00 - [9] as someone who has met enough *****es it's not suprising, men can be violent, sure, but women are prone to viciouness. 932531? That's Numberwang!
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.01 19:45:00 - [10] Edited by: Ivana Drake on 01/01/2009 19:46:21 Well, simply being female dosen't mean you're a feminist, and feminism has little to do with female rights either - the 'feminists' mentioned in the article don't seem to have understood that...
ivar R'dhak The Rising Stars	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:26:00 - [11] Simply being female means you automatically profit from every feminist-dogma enabled perk this society grants you. I¦m not seeing any female complaining too much about VAWA, no-fault divorce laws, and frivolous restraining orders. False rSpe (ridiculous censoring filter) accusers and female child abusers/molesters getting but a hand slap for their "indiscretions", isn¦t high on the female nag list either. Unless their own offspring is concerned, of course. By default practically every western woman and seemingly all but most men are indoctrinated feminists. Which is not a good way to be happy. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:28:00 - [12] Did anyone else here see the Man Show's clip about ending woman's suffrage? THat was hilarious. As for the rest of the article. I had a hard time continuing to read the minute that spousal abuse was brought up as a hate crime. I also find it hard to believe that women picketing and disturbing a lecture is considered as violent. Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. I would even dare to say that most of the women in lesbian relationships that are abusers, exhibit more masculine attributes then they do feminine. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Did anyone else here see the Man Show's clip about ending woman's suffrage? THat was hilarious. As for the rest of the article. I had a hard time continuing to read the minute that spousal abuse was brought up as a hate crime. I also find it hard to believe that women picketing and disturbing a lecture is considered as violent. Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. I would even dare to say that most of the women in lesbian relationships that are abusers, exhibit more masculine attributes then they do feminine. Slade Perfect example of indoctrination. The article clearly states that Lesbian relationships exhibit more violence than hetero sexual ones and you still have a hard time believing that? Either you are saying this man didn't do his research right or you know something he doesn't. I recommend you take this matter up with him as your expertise obviously outweighs his. Posting views is one thing but disagreeing with research that has been carried out over decades makes you look stupid, especially as all you have to add to the matter is "I don't agree because I don't agree."
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:45:00 - [14] Doesn't surprise me in the slightest if he is correct with that, part of male pride refuses to connect the dots between being hit by your partner/getting things thrown at you and being domestic. It is a bit strange how suggesting that under circumstances such as being hit you would be prepared to hit back and this is seen as sexist Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Super Whopper Perfect example of indoctrination. The article clearly states that Lesbian relationships exhibit more violence than hetero sexual ones and you still have a hard time believing that? Either you are saying this man didn't do his research right or you know something he doesn't. I recommend you take this matter up with him as your expertise obviously outweighs his. Posting views is one thing but disagreeing with research that has been carried out over decades makes you look stupid, especially as all you have to add to the matter is "I don't agree because I don't agree." Indoctrinated, lol! I am very diligent in my research and if I was to allow simple little article from biased pages to sawy every thought I have I would be one of the sheep. I typically do research before I make comments on topics such as this, but I did not have time to this before I went to work. Yes I should have waited but what is done is done. I am currently doing a serch via pubmed to start looking up the validity of the report. That being said, from one who has participated in graduate level research in the health and social science, the link to the position statement is not exceptionally persuading. If you look at the works cited, a majority of the research is over ten years old. In my experiance you cite the most recent research as possible. You go past the 5 year mark only to cite ground breaking material that founded your area of reasearch. This seemed frist hand to be a persuasive article ment to progress ones agend. This individual did not even mention gay male partner violence, thus leaving out a whole sub population undiscussed. I wonder why I have a pretty good ability to reseach questions that are brought up and I am doing that know with this topic. Abuse of any type is unacceptable and I feel that this article does nothing to aid in the battle to minimize the problem. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Hatt0ri Hanz0	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:34:00 - [16] Im not surprised. When I'm angry, I stew. When my wife is angry, she throws things. And I'm nearly twice her size.
Belladona Grimm Raven's Heart	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Hatt0ri Hanz0 Im not surprised. When I'm angry, I stew. When my wife is angry, she throws things. And I'm nearly twice her size. And we're the ones that never grow up and are can't be mature to save our souls etc etc <insert random generalization> P.S. - Mine tends to reach for things too, luckily she usually makes sure its something harmless like a pop bottle or somthing. Really sux when she grabes one that is not empty
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:47:00 - [18] Anyone who's accidentaly (or intentionally) hit on a lesbian at a bar while theyre with their partner, knows they can be extremely hostile. I thought I was gonna lose a testicle for sure! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:09:00 - [19] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/01/2009 18:09:32 "Hines DA, Straus MA. Research has consistently shown a link between alcohol use and partner violence (PV). Little is known concerning the strength of this association across cultures and genders, and few have assessed possible mediators. A significant association was found between binge drinking and PV, the strength of which differed by site but not by gender. Conclusion: This study provides evidence that the associations between binge drinking and PV perpetration occur across many different sites around the world, that this association is similar for males and females." The following will show how that above article has an agenda and I believe that the researchers goal has been perverted. Gender symmetry in prevalence, severity, and chronicity of physical aggression against dating partners by university students in Mexico and USA. 2007 "In all four samples, there was no significant difference between males and females in either the overall prevalence of physical aggression or the prevalence of severe attacks." As I said above I believe that we all have the same propensity for violence, regardless of gender. "When only one partner was violent, this was twice as likely to be the female partner (19.0%) as the male partner (9.8%)." Yes this says that women are more likely to the single aggressor in single aggressor situations, but that could be attributed to perceptions of physical inferiority. "The presence of gender symmetry in these different cultural contexts, combined with studies showing that women are injured more often and more seriously by partner-assaults, and studies showing that women initiate PV as often as men, suggests that programs and policies aimed at primary prevention of PV by women are crucial to ending PV and for reducing the victimization of men and women." Further another statment that makes me believe that the articles publishers and the individuals handing out the award are miscunsrtuing that mans works. "Although it is essential that primary and secondary prevention of PV include a major focus on violence by women as well as men, the needed change must be made with extreme care for a number of reasons. First, it must be done in ways that, simultaneously refute the idea that violence by women justifies, or excuses violence by their partners. Second, although women may assault partners at approximately the same rate as men, assaults by men usually inflict greater physical, financial, and emotional injury [Archer, 2000; Stets and Straus,1990]. This means that male violence against women, on average, results in more severe victimization. Thus, a focus on protecting and assisting female victims must remain a priority; despite the fact that services for male victims need to be made available. Finally, in many societies women lack full economic, social, political, and human rights. In such cultural contexts, equality for women needs to be given priority as an even more fundamental aspect of primary prevention of PV. Otherwise focusing on PV by women can further exacerbate the PV. Otherwise focusing on PV by women can further exacerbate the oppression of women in those societies." I will not argue that women are just as likely to commit acts of violence, but this article seems to miss the whole point of this mans studies. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. Men will always be the more visible abusers, you mean. People underestimate just how big the gap in physical performance is between male and female. Even if you were to take an out-of-shape man and compare him to a physically fit woman, the male would (on average) be stronger. I've scrapped enough with my sister to be acutely aware of the difference. Back in the day, we used to fight all the time. We're closer and friendlier now, thank God, but back then, even at that much younger age, I had to be very careful - one punch from me would have done more damage to her than she could have done to me in five minutes. The result is that in any domestic situation where the male loses control and lashes out - whether or not he's the one who punched first - it's the female who comes away with a black eye, broken nose, concussion, cracked rib... Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo? - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Slade Trillgon Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. Men will always be the more visible abusers, you mean. People underestimate just how big the gap in physical performance is between male and female. Even if you were to take an out-of-shape man and compare him to a physically fit woman, the male would (on average) be stronger. I've scrapped enough with my sister to be acutely aware of the difference. Back in the day, we used to fight all the time. We're closer and friendlier now, thank God, but back then, even at that much younger age, I had to be very careful - one punch from me would have done more damage to her than she could have done to me in five minutes. The result is that in any domestic situation where the male loses control and lashes out - whether or not he's the one who punched first - it's the female who comes away with a black eye, broken nose, concussion, cracked rib... Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo? That statement has been retracted. I need to slash it out. I also present further information and opinion in my later posts. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/01/2009 19:38:09 Since I made an ass of myself by taking a position on something, I feel the need to point out why. I did not like how the original article presented the problem. I hate the concept of political correctness or incorrectness and this put me off. So as I said before I needed to do some reading. It does seem that the feminists mentioned are misguided in what Dr. Straus is trying to do. All he wants to do is to find out if prevention strategies would benefit from gender based education programs. His research at least shows that women are equally capable of being the aggressor. He then wants to find out if the original prevention programs that are based on male characteristics are effective for educating women. Since the reasons why women may aggress are different then why men may aggress. Research on Violence Prevention Programs "Almost all violence prevention and treatment programs are based on the assumption that partner assault is almost exclusively a male crime. Research is needed on whether the effectiveness of prevention and treatment programs will be improved by taking into account the repeated finding that in one half or more of the cases both partners are violent, and in about one fourth of the cases, the female partner is the only one to hit. This will be difficult to investigate, not because of problems in research design, but because programs that recognize the fact of symmetry will not be available to study unless there is a change in the political climate. Program providers are committed to the idea that men are almost always the only violent partner, and that male dominance is the problem rather than the dominance of one partner regardless of whether it is the male or female partner, as was found as long ago as the 1975 National Family Violence Survey . They remain committed to the belief that ôpatriarchyö is the overwhelming cause of partner violence rather than just one of many causes. Consequently, they are unwilling to create gender-inclusive programs that can be studied. Some states, such as Colorado, prohibit joint treatment, even though numerous studies (some cited earlier)have found that both parties are typically violent. Violence is most often a family system characteristic, and joint treatment is usually needed to treat systemic problems. At the national legislative level, the Violence Against Women Act effectively blocks funding gender-inclusive services that could be studied. The politically based blockage of gender-inclusive programs will eventually change, and the research community needs to be ready to begin empirical investigation of the new prevention and treatment modalities as soon as they begin to emerge. The change will come about by the same political processes that enabled the womenÆs movement to create a national recognition of wife beating as a major problem and to create services for battered women. There is a small but increasingly influential menÆs movement starting to change the political climate. For example, they have lobbied members of Congress to make the renewed Violence Against Women Act gender inclusive. In New Hampshire, the legislature created a committee on the status of men. There is a hotline for male victims and another that is explicitly gender-inclusive. Both have been refused funding under the Violence Against Women Act; however, legal action is being taken to reverse that, just as legal action was crucial in the effort to force police and prosecutors to treat violence against women as the crime that it is." Yeah, it sucks that anyones personal agenda can block scientific research. Once again I should have waited to make any response. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 02/01/2009 21:14:57 Originally by: Stitcher Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo? But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? Most women know that it is always the male who gets blamed because the woman will always come away with marks, bruises and sometimes worse. As any player here knows, goading someone into making a mistake is a standard tactic. If the goading doesn't work, he will just let you get on with it because he won't hit back, so you can do some serious damage with no repurcussions. Either way, you're backing a winning tactic. Once again, we come back to the same tactics that are used in Eve every day... "Because I can". The biggest problem is that society has put more emphasis on gender than the violence itself. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? My uncle would never hit a woman, its probably how his ex-wife was able to stab him four times in the heart. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:52:00 - [25] Edited by: Stitcher on 02/01/2009 22:56:00 Edited by: Stitcher on 02/01/2009 22:54:13 Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? All the time. Do you have any idea how many men are falsely accused of rape every year? It could be as much as 9% of all reported rape cases. Misandry is a more common problem than people are prepared to admit. Kinda sucks, really - in attempting to rid the world of one kind of gender discrimination, its alternative has set up shop. There's no balance with some people. also: yes, I dodged the profanity filter. Deal with it; that thing's retarded anyway. unfortunately, it went ahead and killed my first link, so you'll need to replace the row of asterisks in the URL bar. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.03 00:51:00 - [26] In case anyone cares, HERE is a link to Dr. Straus's home page on the University of New Hampshire webserver. It has many links to studies and his class syllabi as well. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.03 01:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Bolderine As a former partner of a female domestic abuser, I know all too well that it's not men who are the only perpetrator in violent relationships, women do thier fair share as well. I would say that a good number of guys who hit their wives are reacting to their partners violence as much as allowing their own to come to the surface. Trust me, it's hard to keep your cool and not react when she's punching, kicking and throwing everything within hands reach at you. While personal feelings and decency tell you to retreat, even though you know she'll only follow, instinct is screaming at you to put her down with a punch and stop her. It's only because women are said to be the "weaker sex" that men get the blame for 100% of the domestic abuse. Everyone is quick to point a finger and say he beat his wife, but don't realise that he's probably had all sorts of abuse from her and even a few items from around the house launched at him as well. Womens movements not only fail to recognise this but also refuse to accept it. After I left the house when a particularly nasty incident occurred, I had nowhere to go. No refuges made available for men, no offers of housing from the local council, no temporary accomodation now that I was homeless even though the crime number (police were called) would have proved that I was not homeless by my own choice. Absolutely no help whatsoever and I spent nearly 4 weeks sleeping in the car before the local newspaper took up my story. Amazingly, the local council backtracked and offered me a place on the spot. It seems that even the government doesn't recognise the problem either unless they are threatened with exposure by the media. Women think they are so hard done by but they get far more help in these circumstances than men do even though they are just as much to blame. At least you weren't **d, **d men doesn't exists apparently and there is very little being done to help these guys. I mean real mean doesn't get in these kinds of situations, it just doesn't happen, how can it? Delenda est achura.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.03 01:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? My uncle would never hit a woman, its probably how his ex-wife was able to stab him four times in the heart. There is chivalry and then there's stupidity, anyone coming at me with a weapon is put down. Delenda est achura.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.03 01:48:00 - [29] Slade, please go sit in the corner, and don't forget to don the shame-on-you hat! I'm sorry I had to. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.03 03:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Slade Trillgon a majority of the research is over ten years old. In my experiance you cite the most recent research as possible. You go past the 5 year mark only to cite ground breaking material that founded your area of reasearch, even if most of the research is yours. Actually that does not even help the position in my mind. When was the last time research was done into the world being round? Are you saying that as long as we don't do research into fire our findings that fire is hot will become outdated? I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in this post you certainly make very little sense.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.03 03:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Stitcher All the time. Do you have any idea how many men are falsely accused of rape every year? It could be as much as 9% of all reported rape cases. Seems the actual percentage could be as high as 20-30%.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.03 04:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? My uncle would never hit a woman, its probably how his ex-wife was able to stab him four times in the heart. There is chivalry and then there's stupidity, anyone coming at me with a weapon is put down. He was handcuffed and blindfolded though. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.03 05:59:00 - [33] From information I found some years ago, it seems that many women that have come from a violent relationship will themselves be violent in a future relationship. Not being female, I can never understand why a woman who leaves a violent partner after long term abuse, always choses to go to another violent partner. If they find someone who isn't violent, they will constantly provoke him even to the point where they use violence themselves to gain a violent response from him. Whether this stems from personal vendetta gainst men in general or simply a desire to prove to themselves that all men are the same I have no idea. It would seem that there is some sort of mental effect of violence in a relationship and it creates an illusion that all men will be violent without exception. Therefore, in order to prove this point, she has to do something that will make him react violently, maybe not realising that she is acting in exactly the same way as the partner she fled from. On the other hand it could be a way for her to punish a man (any man) she knows will not be violent to her for the actions of her former partner. So, personal vendetta or the desire to prove herself right, only she can know for sure. Chances are, in her damaged mental state, she probably doesn't know why she does it herself. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Pj Harvey Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.03 06:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Slade Trillgon a majority of the research is over ten years old. In my experiance you cite the most recent research as possible. You go past the 5 year mark only to cite ground breaking material that founded your area of reasearch, even if most of the research is yours. Actually that does not even help the position in my mind. When was the last time research was done into the world being round? Are you saying that as long as we don't do research into fire our findings that fire is hot will become outdated? I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in this post you certainly make very little sense. fire being hot and the wolrd being round are constant states, the trends and habits of people is like an ever changing ever evolving eco-system, it mutates on a day by day basis
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.03 07:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Pj Harvey fire being hot and the wolrd being round are constant states, the trends and habits of people is like an ever changing ever evolving eco-system, it mutates on a day by day basis Not really, the only thing that changes are perception, idea's and theories. The world being flat was a constant for a long time, just like Freuds 'Peen Envy' theory, but they were both proven wrong.
ls pos The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.03 08:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Dantes Revenge From information I found some years ago, it seems that many women that have come from a violent relationship will themselves be violent in a future relationship. Not being female, I can never understand why a woman who leaves a violent partner after long term abuse, always choses to go to another violent partner. If they find someone who isn't violent, they will constantly provoke him even to the point where they use violence themselves to gain a violent response from him. Whether this stems from personal vendetta gainst men in general or simply a desire to prove to themselves that all men are the same I have no idea. It would seem that there is some sort of mental effect of violence in a relationship and it creates an illusion that all men will be violent without exception. Therefore, in order to prove this point, she has to do something that will make him react violently, maybe not realising that she is acting in exactly the same way as the partner she fled from. On the other hand it could be a way for her to punish a man (any man) she knows will not be violent to her for the actions of her former partner. So, personal vendetta or the desire to prove herself right, only she can know for sure. Chances are, in her damaged mental state, she probably doesn't know why she does it herself. I can so relate to this.. My current girlfriend really shows this kind of behavior.. She has been in a violent relationship some years ago that went on for 2 or 3 years. The dude was real abusive to her. They got to break up after her parents interfered. We are together for just a little over a year now, and things are starting to get messy tbh.. She trying to be really dominant and provocative. We recently had some very heated up argument which resulted in she hitting me with some stuff she allready had in her hand. Quite painfull tbh In short, i'm not violent at all. It takes a crapload of stuff for me to lose my temper. But she is getting real close to it sometimes.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.03 14:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Spaztick Slade, please go sit in the corner, and don't forget to don the shame-on-you hat! Yeah, I dug a hole on this one Originally by: Super Whopper When was the last time research was done into the world being round? Are you saying that as long as we don't do research into fire our findings that fire is hot will become outdated? I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in this post you certainly make very little sense. I have changed my position and it seems that this guy has good intentions. The original article made out the researcher to be women/lesbian bashing hate monger, my bad. I can not help what my initial perception was. In the future I can only hold my responses till I have a better foundation. I was incorrect in the perception that the article put into my head and have repositioned my-self. If you believe social structure, norms, taboos, and others social factors are stable and not open to evolution, if you believe that all research ever done is not otentially fallible, if you believe there has never been researchers out there with agendas, if you believe that statistics are incapable of being perverted, then I do not know what to say. When I wrote that comment about the dates of the research I was still under the perception that this was all hate mongering. Since he is the predominate researcher on this topic he did not have much choice in his reference citing, but I did not realize that at the time. I still want to make it clear that I do not disagree with what this researcher is trying to do. He is trying to prove that social education programs need to be gender specific. I agree that the factors that cause women to be violent may be different then men and that the violence reduction programs may benefit from gender specificity. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.01.03 16:24:00 - [38] Edited by: Rob Z0mbie on 03/01/2009 16:25:51 Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Pj Harvey fire being hot and the wolrd being round are constant states, the trends and habits of people is like an ever changing ever evolving eco-system, it mutates on a day by day basis Not really, the only thing that changes are perception, idea's and theories. The world being flat was a constant for a long time, just like Freuds 'Peen Envy' theory, but they were both proven wrong. ... You're mixing Scientific Theory with Plain Theory and World Truths that are independent of human understanding. That, or my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. I refer you to Richard Dawkins' jaw-dropping talk on our bizarre universe And the Dover Trial which took place regarding the subject of Evolution and Intelligent design at the Dover High school where Scientific Theory is defined and established in a court of law, also here are the transcripts of said trial. And yes, i have Alot of time on my hands. \(o.0)/
ivar R'dhak The Rising Stars	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:07:00 - [39] Originally by: ls pos I can so relate to this.. My current girlfriend really shows this kind of behavior.. She has been in a violent relationship some years ago that went on for 2 or 3 years. The dude was real abusive to her. They got to break up after her parents interfered. / It takes a crapload of stuff for me to lose my temper. But she is getting real close to it sometimes. I got a tip for you. GET OUT! You clearly got one of these psycho drama b!tches on hand. The more she nags, dominates, and fights you, the more she expects you to abuse her in return. When you start giving in peacefully, she¦ll loose all respect for you, and starts banging the next best bad boy she comes across (if she¦s not doing that already). On the other hand, when you follow your manly instincts and fight back, you¦ll end up in jail. Military experts are calling this a No-Win-Situation. For f#cks sake you¦re not married to the broad, dump her. Here¦s a clue from a guy who¦s got real life experience with such a mess. Alec Baldwin: A Promise to Ourselves.. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:13:00 - [40] Edited by: Rondo Gunn on 04/01/2009 23:13:05 I must object! My name isn't mentioned ANYWHERE. shin ku myo u
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.05 03:03:00 - [41] It is politically correct, for white males to have less rights then every other race/gender combination, and be more likely to be racist/sexist, because everyone else is above that. Just because you are equal to me, doesn't mean you are as equal as me.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:31:00 - [42] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Originally by: ls pos I can so relate to this.. My current girlfriend really shows this kind of behavior.. She has been in a violent relationship some years ago that went on for 2 or 3 years. The dude was real abusive to her. They got to break up after her parents interfered. / It takes a crapload of stuff for me to lose my temper. But she is getting real close to it sometimes. I got a tip for you. GET OUT! You clearly got one of these psycho drama b!tches on hand. The more she nags, dominates, and fights you, the more she expects you to abuse her in return. When you start giving in peacefully, she¦ll loose all respect for you, and starts banging the next best bad boy she comes across (if she¦s not doing that already). On the other hand, when you follow your manly instincts and fight back, you¦ll end up in jail. Military experts are calling this a No-Win-Situation. For f#cks sake you¦re not married to the broad, dump her. Here¦s a clue from a guy who¦s got real life experience with such a mess. Alec Baldwin: A Promise to Ourselves.. As an ex of one myself, I would agree. No good will come of it and she will continue to get worse until she either forces you to leave or encourages you to hit her back. Leave her now while you still have the freedom to do so. Any guys in this situation who has kids, my advice is, don't let her get custody. The kids will be brought up only knowing violence and will therefore become violent themselves. It serves only to encourage the next generation of abusers. Use the laws to your advantage, call the police if she hits you and get a crime number for it. Use that in court when fighting for custody to prove she is bringing up the kids in a environment of violence. You have more chance of gaining custody and protecting the kids from her violent nature. Please don't let your kids become what she is. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
ivar R'dhak The Rising Stars	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:45:00 - [43] Some more political incorrectness from the Philosopher David Stove: THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY OF WOMEN Quote: I BELIEVE THAT the intellectual capacity of women is on the whole inferior to that of men. By "on the whole," I do not mean just "on the average"; though I do mean that much. My belief is, if you take any degree of intellectual capacity which is above e average for the human race, as a whole, then a possessor of that degree of intellectual capacity is a good deal more likely to be man than a woman. /me waits for Slade to blow his feminist gasket. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:55:00 - [44] Edited by: Shanzem on 06/01/2009 22:55:56 Edited by: Shanzem on 06/01/2009 22:55:01 Originally by: ivar R'dhak Some more political incorrectness from the Philosopher David Stove: THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY OF WOMEN Quote: I BELIEVE THAT the intellectual capacity of women is on the whole inferior to that of men. By "on the whole," I do not mean just "on the average"; though I do mean that much. My belief is, if you take any degree of intellectual capacity which is above e average for the human race, as a whole, then a possessor of that degree of intellectual capacity is a good deal more likely to be man than a woman. /me waits for Slade to blow his feminist gasket. I cannot begin to start were that guy is going wrong. Women have a much more deep rich social intelligence coupled with a very good memory and a mind dedicated to more imaginative line of thinking. Its very easy to think women our lesser of our species but to be fair that's usually because of cultured bounds and thinking. Women,on are much more analytical minded. When in social situation they take a much through and deeper look into emotions, opinions and environment for clues and social notification or communicative markers. Making them great conversationalist. But we all know that Don`t we In before slade -------------------------------------------
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:47:00 - [45] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Some more political incorrectness from the Philosopher David Stove: THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY OF WOMEN Quote: I BELIEVE THAT the intellectual capacity of women is on the whole inferior to that of men. By "on the whole," I do not mean just "on the average"; though I do mean that much. My belief is, if you take any degree of intellectual capacity which is above e average for the human race, as a whole, then a possessor of that degree of intellectual capacity is a good deal more likely to be man than a woman. /me waits for Slade to blow his feminist gasket. Have not read it yet and will trust Shanzem's critique for the time being. Also not sure if you read the rest of my responses, and to be quite honest, I think SW blew my original comment out of the water anyway. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Candiegirl	Posted - 2009.01.07 00:09:00 - [46] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Originally by: ls pos I can so relate to this.. My current girlfriend really shows this kind of behavior.. She has been in a violent relationship some years ago that went on for 2 or 3 years. The dude was real abusive to her. They got to break up after her parents interfered. / It takes a crapload of stuff for me to lose my temper. But she is getting real close to it sometimes. I got a tip for you. GET OUT! You clearly got one of these psycho drama b!tches on hand. The more she nags, dominates, and fights you, the more she expects you to abuse her in return. When you start giving in peacefully, she¦ll loose all respect for you, and starts banging the next best bad boy she comes across (if she¦s not doing that already). On the other hand, when you follow your manly instincts and fight back, you¦ll end up in jail. Military experts are calling this a No-Win-Situation. For f#cks sake you¦re not married to the broad, dump her. Here¦s a clue from a guy who¦s got real life experience with such a mess. Alec Baldwin: A Promise to Ourselves.. Ok, guys. This is what my take is on this type of situation, and being female I have a bit of insight. These women were more than likely raised in violent households. She then seeks relationships like ones that she knows. If she was not raised in a violent household, her self esteem has been beaten down completely, most typically by a boyfriend or spouse. Most of the time, the male abusers start out the relationship really nice and sweet. After they've got the woman comfortable in the relationship, they change. The monster shows and the violence starts. By this time, the bf/spouse has beaten her self esteem down so badly, seperated her from the people who truly care for her, and made her feel that she deserves to be treated this way, so it's very hard for her to leave. If they are lucky enough to get out, it's hard to get your self esteem built back up. So the majority of the time, they go back out with the same type of men. If she does find a good guy, it's hard for her to break that cycle. She thinks that if you're not beating her or yelling at her, you don't love her. Unfortunately and as sad as it is, she equates violence with love. Now, ya'll can laugh or whatever over my feelings on the situation. But, I'm telling you, it's all apart of a vicious cycle. A woman would need to go through a lot of counseling to be able to move on and have a "normal" relationship after going through a violent one. That's the big problem, most don't get the help they need. There's also the problem with lots of women thinking that they cann't live without a man and settle.

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