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Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Randomness17 on 01/01/2009 17:03:20 I have a small problem. When I go back to school (aka. boarding school so I stay there) I want to log into Eve to solely change skills (if anyone posts saying I should be concentrating on school work etc, just go). Unfortunately for me they use port blockers made in the depths of hell. I can't off the top of the head remember what ports are open (the only one I definitely know if the windows remote desktop one which AFAIK is 3389.). So to access the game (I'm guessing you can't change the port Eve works on) is it possible to use a VNC thing such as TightVNC? Does this program support Eve, and if not is there one which does?? So basically all I want to know is will configuring the VNC to go through port 3389 allow me to access my home computer and therefore go about changing my skill. Any help appreciated,
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:17:00 - [2] All VNC or any remote desktop program really do is sending screens and input back and forth. If you are able to access your PC remotely via VNC, you will be able to start EVE up, though expect 0.5 fps framerates, enough to change a skill but not much else. If you'v never done this before, keep in mind that you need to forward the port at your home. _ Add your own line!
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Sleepkevert If you'v never done this before, keep in mind that you need to forward the port at your home. Thanks for the info. By this do you mean I have to change the VNC settings on my home computer to accept from the port I want to use (eg 3389) or something different? If so pwease elaborate, thanks.
Somaar Kna	Posted - 2009.01.01 20:18:00 - [4] Using a RDP software like gotomypc(costs!) or LogMeIn (which has a free version) can work for situation like this. First you need access to a web browser, done, and usually the school need to have the graphic drivers to 'emulate' the picture of eve. Problem, most school computers have integrated basic VGA renderers made by intel, but if your school has recent computers with simple low level cards by ATI or Nvidia it could work, otherwise graphic games appear as black screens as there is 'no' renderer present on the remote desktop. Otehrwise if you can get a VNC to work, you did mention blocked ports so i might say it wouldnt work, although if you could get it to transmit across port 80 or 8080 it might work, security might be an issue though. It would work technically as it can simply transmit the picture as a rapidly changing jpeg to the client connecting. It does not need to 'support' it. last resort simply set a really long skill, BS V springs to mind and change to shorter skills while you can access the pc eg. get home at 3.30 and set a level 2 skill to finish before you go to bed and switch back to BS V
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.01 23:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Somaar Kna Using a RDP software like gotomypc(costs!) or LogMeIn (which has a free version) can work for situation like this. First you need access to a web browser, done, and usually the school need to have the graphic drivers to 'emulate' the picture of eve. Problem, most school computers have integrated basic VGA renderers made by intel, but if your school has recent computers with simple low level cards by ATI or Nvidia it could work, otherwise graphic games appear as black screens as there is 'no' renderer present on the remote desktop. Otehrwise if you can get a VNC to work, you did mention blocked ports so i might say it wouldnt work, although if you could get it to transmit across port 80 or 8080 it might work, security might be an issue though. It would work technically as it can simply transmit the picture as a rapidly changing jpeg to the client connecting. It does not need to 'support' it. last resort simply set a really long skill, BS V springs to mind and change to shorter skills while you can access the pc eg. get home at 3.30 and set a level 2 skill to finish before you go to bed and switch back to BS V Thanks again for the help. I forgot to explain this but at school I have my own laptop which is mine and mine alone. The only reason I would not be allowed to play is the network (to which I connect for internet etc.) seems to block the Eve port (i.e I can't connect). I happen to know the RDP works because I occasionally use it to access the school servers on a virtual machine to get a document etc. Also the reason I need this is because I go to boarding school and therefore do not get access to my home computer for months (I live abroad so can't go home at weekends etc.) and so it seems like an awfully lot of wasted sp.
Olleybear The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.01 23:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Randomness17 Edited by: Randomness17 on 01/01/2009 19:16:29 Edited by: Randomness17 on 01/01/2009 17:36:37 Do you mean opening my router settings and allowing that port? Im guessing yes. Yes, he is talking about going into your router settings. Its more than just allowing the port, you have to forward that port to your home computers ip address to be able to get to your home computer. Originally by: Randomness17 Also I heard some VNC/remote dekstop doesn't support directx9 so Eve might not run. You dont have to worry about directx support in VNC. VNC basically just sends whatever is displayed on the computer running the VNC server to the computer running the VNC client. Imagine someone with a camcorder that has its output plugged into a tv in the next room while recording the screen of your pc. You see everything on the TV in the next room and the camcorder doesn't have to support anything the PC supports. VNC operates in basically the same way. Everything happening on the servers ( your home computer ) monitor is sent to the other pc ( your laptop ). <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
yitzy Minmatar O'Coigligh Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.02 03:10:00 - [7] Why dont u use Logmein I use this from work when changing skills. Ive had no issues with it so far its well worth it and its free!!!
Lork Niffle Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:39:00 - [8] Seeing it is your laptop and i assume it should have a dedicated graphics card then logmein will work perfectly, wiht the added bonus of having 256bit AES encryption ------------------------------------- Read my bio ingame for tips on how to live and not be called nasty names by me.
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:43:00 - [9] VNC is being annoying so may try logmein. I'm having trouble doing the port-fowarding. I've done everything that portfoward.com states, but when testing with VNC it says: Quote: Connection test failed. Your server appears to be behind a NAT router with IP address 82.112.141.249. You will need to configure that router to forward port 3389 to this computer before you will be able to connect to your server over the Internet. Does this mean I'ev port fowarded incorrectly or ? Turning off the NAT doesn't work as that stops the internet working. sigh anymore help appreciated, and thanks to all those above.
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:52:00 - [10] Logmein looks good, although does anyone know if it will still work through the all-evil port blockers at school?
Lork Niffle Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:43:00 - [11] Logmein functions through a web browser and as long as you can use a browser it will work. there is a plugin for firefox and IE to use it more effectively. ------------------------------------- Read my bio ingame for tips on how to live and not be called nasty names by me.
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:53:00 - [12] Goody gum drop. Now to try and get that boot on LAN thing working woop woop.
Gershomea Raphael Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:06:00 - [13] Could you use one of those port tunnelling programs, as used for P2P software across Port 80?
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:03:00 - [14] Wouldnt perticularily want to use a port tunneler thingy as that would probably really **** off the IT department. Also you can't use P2P on their network so that ports probably blocked.
Olleybear The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Randomness17 Does this mean I'ev port fowarded incorrectly or ? Turning off the NAT doesn't work as that stops the internet working. Turning off NAT ( Network Address Translation ) will keep you from reaching your home pc from your laptop. So you want to keep NAT on. I'm not sure why VNC is telling you to port forward port 3389. The port that VNC runs on is port 5900. You should port forward the port 5900 to your home pc's ip address. ( note: if your using your browser to connect to your home computer instead of the vnc client software on your laptop, the port should be 5800 ) Ex. Your router has IP address OutsideIP, while your home pc has address InsideIP. From your router, port forward the port 5900 to InsideIP ( your home pc ). Also, here is a link to what your trying to do from the VNC site itself: FAQ They also have some explanations of what is going on that may help you understand NAT a little better. NOTE: If its your DSL/Cable modem that has the OutsideIP address, then you have a router connected to the modem, then your home pc is connected to the router, you are going through a double NAT and the above solution will not work. Double NAT example that the above solution wont solve: Internet <--- DSL/Cable modem( Outside IP ) <--- Router( InsideIP ) <--- Home PC( InsideIP ) = Double Nat What you need for the above solution to work: Internet <--- DSL/Cable modem( Bridge ) <--- Router( OutsideIP ) <--- Home PC( InsideIP ) = Single Nat <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
huxorator Intergalactic Serenity Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.05 10:22:00 - [16] Never tried, but can't you just change the start.ini in the Eve folder to use an open port, like 80 or whatever is used for your browser? --- IGS Website \| Killboard \| Game-Time Cards
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.05 11:22:00 - [17] Originally by: huxorator Never tried, but can't you just change the start.ini in the Eve folder to use an open port, like 80 or whatever is used for your browser? You can't edit the start.ini, everything is hash protected now, if you edit anything in your EVE folder, it won't even start. You can use shortcuts to achieve the same result though, but the EVE server only accepts connections on the default port (26000) and the port WoW uses I think, no idea which one that is though. _ Add your own line!
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Olleybear Originally by: Randomness17 Does this mean I'ev port fowarded incorrectly or ? Turning off the NAT doesn't work as that stops the internet working. Turning off NAT ( Network Address Translation ) will keep you from reaching your home pc from your laptop. So you want to keep NAT on. I'm not sure why VNC is telling you to port forward port 3389. The port that VNC runs on is port 5900. You should port forward the port 5900 to your home pc's ip address. ( note: if your using your browser to connect to your home computer instead of the vnc client software on your laptop, the port should be 5800 ) Ex. Your router has IP address OutsideIP, while your home pc has address InsideIP. From your router, port forward the port 5900 to InsideIP ( your home pc ). Also, here is a link to what your trying to do from the VNC site itself: FAQ They also have some explanations of what is going on that may help you understand NAT a little better. NOTE: If its your DSL/Cable modem that has the OutsideIP address, then you have a router connected to the modem, then your home pc is connected to the router, you are going through a double NAT and the above solution will not work. Double NAT example that the above solution wont solve: Internet <--- DSL/Cable modem( Outside IP ) <--- Router( InsideIP ) <--- Home PC( InsideIP ) = Double Nat What you need for the above solution to work: Internet <--- DSL/Cable modem( Bridge ) <--- Router( OutsideIP ) <--- Home PC( InsideIP ) = Single Nat Yea, I changed it to that port as I know its open at school. Although when I put it back to the default it seems to work. Thanks for the help all.

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