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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:52:00 -
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Caiman Graystock said " Trek ships are the culmination of technology of a human race that has been in space less than 400 years, eve ships are the technology of a race that has been in space for thousands. They would win with ease."
Err no, Federation ships are the culmination of technology of 150 members some who have been in space a very long time. The Vulcans have been in space since at least 9th century BC perhaps a lot longer. Star Trek ships can shoot at 14Au outs far outside the Eve ships 250km range limit and Star Trek ships can shoot at warp. I would think moving at faster than the speed of light proves a problem for Eve ships turret tracking and missiles. The Federation might only be 400 years old but its made up of a lot of races who have been in space 1000's of years.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.04 09:57:00 -
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Caiman Graystock said " You can quote quotes all you like, on screen evidence shows differently. In First Contact 4 quantum torpedoes slam into a unshielded ship and don't cause its instant destruction. This indicates a very low yield. In TFF, a photon torpedo slams into the ground fired from space and causes an explosion not much bigger than a grenade."
You don't mean the Borg do you? Who appear to have high amour? Normally unshielded ships die in 1 hit to torpedoes.
A lot of people seem to be missing that torpedoes are not all the same. There are many types of torpedoes and not only that but each torpedo has up to 16 power settings although some had less like the type-6 torpedoes only have 10 power settings. For type-6 torpedoes setting level 1 is just a fireworks display, level 5 is the standard yield and level 10 yields is illegal. The reason torpedoes damage varies so much is because of the many types of torpedoes used at different settings. If you listen closely they do sometimes say set the torpedo to level x or use torpedo type 6 or type 10 with type 10 being more powerful. If a torpedo only has a small explosion that's because it was set like that.
War ships like the Defiant had more power torpedoes then other ships. Voyager had many types of torpedoes with very limited amounts of the more powerful ones. TNG sometimes stated what torpedo and what setting to use. TNG: New Ground being a good example.
Caiman Graystock said "It's a shame the on screen stuff disagrees with you, and that Starfleet technology is always quoted via its human inventors, such as the guy who invented warp drive, or the transporter, and not the people who invented it first in their member races. Starfleet is a very human centric organisation, with human centric ship designs and technology. I see no on screen evidence to support your opinion."
Yes there is evidence, it's just the ships the TV show focus on are the mostly human ships. The show mentions other ships that are only Vulcan and other ships that are mostly other races. Are we watching the same show? humans invented the warp drive met the Vulcan's who already had warp and over time shared better warp technologies with the humans. As I recall they didn't say humans invented the transporter they said the first human made transporter was invented by Emory Erickson.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.04 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/01/2009 17:42:32
Caiman Graystock said " A lot of what you have written isn't supported by on screen visuals."
Yes it is I even gave you an episode name.
Caiman Graystock said " Highly armored Borg ships? Did you ever see Best of Both Worlds?"
Yes I watched it a long time ago when it first came out. As I recall the Enterprise fails to do anything but minor damage with weapons and the one Borg ship withstood an armada of Federation ships all shooting at once. The borg wasn't destroy with just 4 torpedoes, in fact not one torpedoe was used at the point the borg got destroyed. The only time the torpedoes hit the Borg they did next to no damage.
Caiman Graystock said " The same goes for your comment regarding Starfleet not being a human centric organisation. Where were all these non-human starfleet ships when the entire fleet engaged the dominion?"
How do we know which ships are full of human crews and which are not? There could have been lots without human crews. We didn't exactly see the crews of those ships in the battle. You dont think all those ships are human crews do you?
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Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation
(www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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