Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw

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it fits

pvp support NH:

5 HML T2
1 seige harm link
2 large shield extenders T2
1 EM shield hardener T2
2 Invu fields T2
2 PDU T2
1 DCU T2
2 BCU T2
2 shield extender rigs.

1 +5% PG rig and max skills.

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mwd?
need for implant? why other races command ships dont need it?
low dps?
still medicore tank?

why would anybody use this instead of another command ship?

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Originally by: Euriti

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Edited by: Euriti on 02/01/2009 21:39:33
You are all tap dancing around the subject and it's pretty pathetic watching so I'll give an objective analysis based on a reasonable PvP fitting and the grid requirements of said fitting.

First, we need to set a few goals that we must achieve when fitting this ship. Following goals are reasonable and follow what other CS can achieve:

GOALS:

• Fitting a full rack of Tech 2 weapons equal to the size of the ship

• Fitting a gang mod

• Fitting an MWD

• Fitting a decent buffer

These are reasonable fitting requirements in terms of modules
The fitting should NOT require multiple T2 RCU, several RCUs, 5% grid modules or extreme skills.

TEST FITTING:
Now, lets try to put together a fitting that just fill in these requirements using the Nighthawk hull.

[Nighthawk, NH]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

This fitting takes up 1181 out of 887,5 power grid with max skills. Therefore it lacks 300 powergrid to fill out basic requirements for a CS. Fitting an RCU I bring this 1181 out of 976,25 power grid and fitting an RCU II brings this to 1181 out of 1020,63 power grid. It still lacks 160 power grid with a tech 2 reactor control unit. Raising the powergrid to 875 before skills would give it 1093,75 power grid with engineering 5. With an RCU I this will increase to 1203,125 powergrid, enough to cover the requirements and additional 1 pg modules.

A SHORT SUMMARY:

Increasing the powergrid from 710 to 875 would make it possible to fill in the required fitting goals mentioned in the start of the thread. In situations where gang modules are not being fitted you are able to fit HAM IIs.

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That would be like fitting a Nighthawk with Assault II launchers (which it does get some bonus for).

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Originally by: Julius Romanus

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I know the Nighthawk is tight on grid, but you can still fit a gang mod, a LSE, and enough bcu's to match an abso's scorch DPS with heavies. It takes an ACR/PDU(3% pg implant as well). But really whats so bad about it.

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Originally by: Wingardium Leviosa

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Originally by: Euriti

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Edited by: Euriti on 02/01/2009 21:39:33
You are all tap dancing around the subject and it's pretty pathetic watching so I'll give an objective analysis based on a reasonable PvP fitting and the grid requirements of said fitting.

First, we need to set a few goals that we must achieve when fitting this ship. Following goals are reasonable and follow what other CS can achieve:

GOALS:

• Fitting a full rack of Tech 2 weapons equal to the size of the ship

• Fitting a gang mod

• Fitting an MWD

• Fitting a decent buffer

These are reasonable fitting requirements in terms of modules
The fitting should NOT require T2 RCU, several RCUs, 5% grid modules or extreme skills.

TEST FITTING:
Now, lets try to put together a fitting that just fill in these requirements using the Nighthawk hull.

[Nighthawk, NH]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

This fitting takes up 1181 out of 887,5 power grid with max skills. Therefore it lacks 300 powergrid to fill out basic requirements for a CS. Fitting an RCU I bring this 1181 out of 976,25 power grid and fitting an RCU II brings this to 1181 out of 1020,63 power grid. It still lacks 160 power grid with a tech 2 reactor control unit. Raising the powergrid to 875 before skills would give it 1093,75 power grid with engineering 5. With an RCU I this will increase to 1203,125 powergrid, enough to cover the requirements and additional 1 pg modules.

A SHORT SUMMARY:

Increasing the powergrid from 710 to 875 would make it possible to fill in the required fitting goals mentioned in the start of the thread. In situations where gang modules are not being fitted you are able to fit HAM IIs.

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just posting to quote this again

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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

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Originally by: Bentula

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Originally by: De Guantanamo

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Edited by: De Guantanamo on 20/02/2009 18:29:14
Having never flown this ship in pvp, I can't comment with experience. But just a little dabbling in EFT yielded this fit:

[PVP]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Warp Disruptor II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Obviously no cap injector and lacks heavy DPS, but based on the ships bonuses, one would think that its role is to A)provide moderate gang bonus and B)take down tacklers/smaller ships (explosion velocity bonus). Concurrently, going based on this role, one is not "supposed" to fit HAMs because then the ship would not be able to fill this role (HAMs dont get bonuses from TNP and GMP IIRC).

So, while this ship is obviously not as pwn as say the absolution, would this setup not allow the NH to fulfill the two roles I specified above and be a viable pvp fit?

One potential argument I see against this is that the Drake can probably do these jobs just as well for a fraction of the cost and with insurance. But putting that aside, is this a viable setup for pvp in the NH?

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If it has to be a setup like that why not just use:

[Drake]
2xBallistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II

7xHeavy Missile Launcher II, Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing

3xCore Defence Field Extender I

It has same effective hp, higher volley damage(which i prefer in gang pvp) and not to mention its far cheaper and wont be called primary as much.

P.S.: Dont get me wrong, i wouldnt fly either setup cause they both suck, but atleast the drake version sucks at a cheaper pricetag.

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Aye. This is why NH need change :S

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The Nighthawk setup that I thought would be good for Gang Warfare is as follows:

Nighthawk - Gang Setup

Lows:
1x Power Diagnostic System II
3x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II

Mids:
1x Y-T8 MWD
1x Warp Disruptor II
1x Invulnerability Field II
1x Small Capacitor Booster II - 200s

Highs:
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles
1x Siege Warfare Link of choice/to suit gang

Rigs:
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Bay Loading Accelerator I

Drones:
5x Hobgoblin II

Implant:
3% Power Grid

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