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5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:07:00 - [1] I was thinking about death a few times this year. What with all the prophecies on imminent apocalypses for our world, population growth, 2012, resource shortages, nuclear war, killer tomatoes etc... It's comes back into my thoughts again at the start of this new year, as my grandad on my fathers side died on christmas eve, there's something rather trajic that he never lived another day just to open his gifts and we were given them back a couple of days later as his house was cleared. What was nearly as striking was that my father felt him pass away, even though he could not have known about it. He didn't even know it was his father, he just 'knew' someone close had died on that day. He felt it in his sleep and the date matched up. I've heard similar such stories to this a few times before but I've never known what to make of it. Our own minds are still quite the mystery to science. All I know is I've never believed we take anything with us 'in the physical sense' when we die, I've researched and even seen in some cases enough about brain damage and what it does to the victims who lose all their memories, all sense of reality and sense of self to convince me. I've also never believed in some form of afterlife, I find the idea of eternal life after death quite horrifying actually, for me to think we shed our physical forms only for our minds to still exist and be imprisoned in everlasting consciousness. As sad as it sounds to lose all ties to our families, what we are and what we learn through death. I think in the bigger picture it means far less to us in the end than we could know to quite comprehend it. What I'd like to think is once we are dead, time would have no meaning as we wouldn't exist, and as such a zillion big bangs of universes could come and go and not even one second would pass as far as we would know. Far more time could pass then we could ever possibilbly comprehend could pass and not even a second of the eternity of death would pass. I think to not exist that we cannot even comprehend it would be the only true freedom attainable. In some form in some way, I'd like to think that just maybe, somehow we could be reincarnated somehow. Never knowing anything about what has gone before. From my flawed perspective I think that in spending an eternity in death it is inevitable that we will all one day live again as it is inevitable faced with a seemingly eternal future that will one day die. Maybe as we sit here now, we might have lived a million times before and never known. ...but maybe that's just the desperate searching in some form to try and outlast death due to the instintive fear of it by a tiny mind that flickers for less then a moment in the grand scheme of things? The idea of everlasting death is very profound. Possibly seeming so due to the instinctive fear. In reality it's probably very simple. Maybe death does bring us closer to what might be a God in that we enter a plain where time does not exist in which an all powerful entity that knows and see's all would be as likely to occupy itself. I'd just like something that gives me comfort in life for when I lose my own loved ones and for when my own time draws near if there is anything, as it helps me live my own life more comfortably in those times I'm left with my own thoughts. I cannot pretend to follow a religion when I cannot rationalise any of it to make any sense. So I turn to the rest of you if you'd like to offer anything.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:12:00 - [2] No way I'm gonna read all that but... I can see you put a great deal of effort on that post, it is divided into paragraphs instead of a big wall of test. I shall bookmark it and give it a shoot later. Either way, happy new year mate...
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 02/01/2009 04:21:46 Some of us already know what comes after death When doomsday comes, I'll probably sleep in. Maybe a bowl of lucky charms. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Shameless Avenger No way I'm gonna read all that... Yeah, sorry about that. I've never been brilliant on the definition of irony but I bet there's some to be had in wasting a reasonable fraction of other peoples lives by causing them to read a giant piece of text about death.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:36:00 - [5] Life is finite, the sooner you realize that you are not going to live forever, the happier you will be doing fun things that are bad for you ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Life is finite, the sooner you realize that you are not going to live forever, the happier you will be doing fun things that are bad for you binge drinking and adrenaline addiction ftw
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:52:00 - [7] Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Life is finite, the sooner you realize that you are not going to live forever, the happier you will be doing fun things that are bad for you binge drinking and adrenaline addiction ftw wait that isn't good for you and **** happens.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Life is finite, the sooner you realize that you are not going to live forever, the happier you will be doing fun things that are bad for you binge drinking and adrenaline addiction ftw wait that isn't good for you and ** happens. Yes, ** does happen. Bolded the important part, lol.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:22:00 - [9] Remember to smoke too.... the younger the better ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:24:00 - [10] Excitement is over rated. Just try to be happy, this is all just a moment try to savor it. shin ku myo u

FunzzeR Counter Errorist Unit	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:27:00 - [11] I personally subscribe to the Economist's Theory of Reincarnation: If you're good, you come back on a higher level. Cats come back as dogs, dogs come back as horses, and people--if they've been real good like George Washington--come back as money. In all seriousness I personally found enjoying and appreciating what you have at the current moment a good way to ease any thoughts about shuffling off this mortal coil.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:32:00 - [12] Originally by: FunzzeR I personally subscribe to the Economist's Theory of Reincarnation: If you're good, you come back on a higher level. Cats come back as dogs, dogs come back as horses, and people--if they've been real good like George Washington--come back as money. In all seriousness I personally found enjoying and appreciating what you have at the current moment a good way to ease any thoughts about shuffling off this mortal coil. You don't shuffle off... you careen off sideways holding a drink ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
IVeige	Posted - 2009.01.02 05:43:00 - [13] Well that BBQ was in 2000 its 2012 now WTF ?
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.02 06:39:00 - [14] Edited by: JordanParey on 02/01/2009 06:40:13 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Remember to smoke too.... the younger the better Can't smoke yet, planning on joining military for a while (Army Green Berets or Marines, preferably Marines) there will be plenty of time to ruin my lungs afterwards, when I'm not at peak physical condition P.S. I'm 18, so I technically could smoke...but I am in college and would rather use the money for food and the occasional bottle of booze
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.02 06:56:00 - [15] You weren't around for thousands of years before you were born and it didn't bother you then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:58:00 - [16] Well, there's Nothing to be afraid of.... -------- Ideas for: Mining
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.02 10:40:00 - [17] Originally by: JordanParey Edited by: JordanParey on 02/01/2009 06:40:13 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Remember to smoke too.... the younger the better Can't smoke yet, planning on joining military for a while (Army Green Berets or Marines, preferably Marines) there will be plenty of time to ruin my lungs afterwards, when I'm not at peak physical condition P.S. I'm 18, so I technically could smoke...but I am in college and would rather use the money for food and the occasional bottle of booze Join the Corps and you will be using some form of tobacco ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:37:00 - [18] Not to be a complete ass - but long, personal anecdote filled, rambling free-association-style paper about "How I feel on Death and Afterlife, by 5pinDizzy" definitely falls into the TL;DR category. Without reading, my advice - Stay young and live forever. ----------------
Benco97 Gallente Friendly Archaeology Group of Inder	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:47:00 - [19] It isn't my own death that worries me, I have my beliefs and they comfort me to that end. Death scares me for entirely more selfish reasons, I don't want anyone I know to die. I don't want them to leave me. I've been amazingly fortunate to have reached this age and had nobody I love die (Aside from pets, which is heart breaking enough) and it is something I think about every day now. Do I appreciate my grandparents as much as I should? Do they know I love them like I do? What will I do when either of them dies? I feel it like Damocles' sword over my head, it's just a matter of time and then that'll be it. How do I ready myself for loss like this when I've lived this long and never felt it? I don't care about my own death, not for depressing reasons but because I see it as a moving on of sorts, not an end. I just don't want to get left and see my family die. My Grandparents, parents, siblings..I'm the youngest you see. It can't be long now until something happens and I really don't know what I'll do. How do people deal with it? How do people grieve.. I don't want them to die. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Benco97 It isn't my own death that worries me, I have my beliefs and they comfort me to that end. Death scares me for entirely more selfish reasons, I don't want anyone I know to die. I don't want them to leave me. I've been amazingly fortunate to have reached this age and had nobody I love die (Aside from pets, which is heart breaking enough) and it is something I think about every day now. Do I appreciate my grandparents as much as I should? Do they know I love them like I do? What will I do when either of them dies? I feel it like Damocles' sword over my head, it's just a matter of time and then that'll be it. How do I ready myself for loss like this when I've lived this long and never felt it? I don't care about my own death, not for depressing reasons but because I see it as a moving on of sorts, not an end. I just don't want to get left and see my family die. My Grandparents, parents, siblings..I'm the youngest you see. It can't be long now until something happens and I really don't know what I'll do. How do people deal with it? How do people grieve.. I don't want them to die. This for me aswell. All my family members who have died did so when I was too young to understand.

Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Sazkyen on 02/01/2009 14:38:34 Well, I don't believe in such things as remote sensing, mind reading and stuff since I have yet to see a tangible evidence. However, there are strange occurences now and then. Wether these are the tricks of mind I wouldn't know, could be I guess, but I'm not decided. It happens a lot, I'm sure it does to a lot of ppl, that you are in a conversation with someone and you know what he is going to say. Ofc it's merely Deja Vu when you think you knew that but in fact it's only a thought that materialized after you heard what the partner said. However, there are cases when you utter the words the other is saying in the very moment they do. Ofc it could be that your thought patterns are similar. If that's the case (I wouldn't know) then the story ends here since it would be an acceptable explanation. Ofc you are talking about the same subject which reinforces the possiblity of these "similar thought patterns". But I do believe that there's something intangible behind all this. There could be some connection, and I'm not talking about "ghostly things" or "mind reading" here but more like some kind of physical effects of the brain on others' brains. Some form of a transmission or alteration of the environment in some way that's picked up by others. It also happens that I think of someone and the person calls me. Ofc, again, it could be that it's sheer and blind luck. It could be that the mobile phone is already doing some transmission and, due to some Pavlovian reflex, I pick up this "difference in the environment" and simply automatically know that I'm going to receive a call. So stuff happens and there's certainly something but it's rather intangible.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:09:00 - [22] My dad died in 1986 in hospital. He had been suffering from Leukhemia and it was not detected until it was too late so he was not expected to live. On the night he died at 4am, I woke feeling a sudden emptiness around me like I had suddenly been shut in a totally dark, empty room and a cold shudder crossed over me. The police arrived at my door to inform me at 6am and the only thing I said to them was "I already know, I felt it at 4am this morning" before they had even opened their mouths to speak. They looked startled and told me that he had died at 4am precisely. The WPC looked at me a bit strangely and they left saying only their goodbyes. About 4 nights later, I was laying in bed, not fully asleep but in a half sleep, still fully aware of what was going on in the house. I suddenly felt that feeling you get as a kid when your parents are in the house. A kind of peaceful safety and saw myself driting into somewhere really wierd. From that point, it's really hard to describe in words what I saw and felt. Colours that were undescribeable but all my senses were rolled into one, and they could not only be seen but tasted, felt and heard. Nearby was a rock pool with water flowing in a small waterfall but it was not coming from anywhere and wasn't going anywhere, it just flowed. The rocks were soft and warm but, once again, every sense allowed me to taste and even hear them. I never actually saw my father but I could feel his presence but I could also feel many others as well all around, and through me like I was part of a massive conscious mind made up of everyone who has ever died. Anyone who has ever seen DS9 will recognise Odo the shape changer. When he visits his home planet and joins a massive pool of others like him. Imagine that as a single conscious mind made up of millions of individual minds. That's pretty much what it felt like to me. This has nothing to do with me remembering things I've seen, DS9 wasn't screened until quite a few years after 1986. It did make me wonder if others have had this same sensation after the death of a close relative. When I woke up, it struck me that maybe my father came back and took my unconscious mind to show me where he was now. I still believe that to this day. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.02 23:10:00 - [23] My great uncle is, unfortunately, very ill with cancer of the throat right now. The optimistic estimate provided by his doctor said six months. We're of the opinion that six weeks is a more plausible figure, so this subject's been on my mind a bit recently as well. Death is something that happens, as is mourning. Sometimes it can be especially hard, at other times it can be blessed relief. When my grandmother died in 2004, it was the culmination of several years spent in elderly mental care institutes as a result of a stroke she suffered in 1997. To us, her death came with the compensation that she was no longer suffering the indignities of her later years. Don't focus on death - focus on life. That way, when your time comes (as it inevitably must), you will leave behind people who can remember you with a smile, a story, and a raised glass. We'll all remember my great uncle as a kind and loving man with a proud history behind him, and plenty of mannerisms that made him unique. He's survived by his granddaughters, one of whom got married in September.... Life goes on. the 2012 stuff isn't worth bothering with, though. That lot'll just give you grey hairs you don't need. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.01.02 23:35:00 - [24] death is inevitable and as such most people dont bother thinking about it....the only real downside i see to death is not being able to see all the cool stuff that happens (if it does) in like 2100. Like flying cars and sh*t. Other than that when im dead im pretty sure ill be too dead to care about anything. I just dont want to die slowly and painfully :(
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.03 00:00:00 - [25] Originally by: ebonyivory death is inevitable and as such most people dont bother thinking about it....the only real downside i see to death is not being able to see all the cool stuff that happens (if it does) in like 2100. Like flying cars and sh*t. Other than that when im dead im pretty sure ill be too dead to care about anything. I just dont want to die slowly and painfully :( If you live, you're 50 Cent. If you die, you're Tupac.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.03 02:46:00 - [26] Originally by: ebonyivory death is inevitable and as such most people dont bother thinking about it....the only real downside i see to death is not being able to see all the cool stuff that happens (if it does) in like 2100. Like flying cars and sh*t. Other than that when im dead im pretty sure ill be too dead to care about anything. I just dont want to die slowly and painfully :( look at how stupid your are >.>
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.03 03:40:00 - [27] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 03/01/2009 03:43:38 Originally by: Davina Braben You weren't around for thousands of years before you were born and it didn't bother you then This is not too uncommonly brought up according to the words of others, but still a good point I think. I might even make some form of sig or quote out of that one day. Originally by: Sazkyen In my personal experience most people who have children fear death a lot less. They've kind of "fulfilled their destiny" in life. Basically your duty is to have children as life's real destiny is to reproduce itself. I too have noticed this, it's like you say, as if their lifes mission is complete. They'll serve as parents then as grandparents, then after that (as I've been told from what I'd consider reasonable reliable documentaries) it's almost like your body tells itself to start shutting down and die. I wonder if the will to survive is just to push adaption and evolution, or there is some sort of price to pay if all life was somehow wiped out, as we don't know how or whether or not life can be created from it's most basic roots without other lifeforms playing a role. Even though at least once before we assume it must have been.


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