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Faiga Haze
Caldari
German arnima corp
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.02 10:50:00 -
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Hi there.
The "Mining Foreman" Standard Certificate has got a ludicrous prerequisite - "Scrapmetal processing"...
If you just have a look at the screenshot, you'll know what I mean.
As everyone should know, scrapmetal processing has got as prerequisites "Refinery Efficiency V" and "Metallurgy V", that means for this skill alone you'll need, in the worst case, about a month. Far too much for a Standard certificate. I'd suggest putting Scrapmetal processing at the improved or elite level.
And as Refinery Efficiency at level I is a prerequisite itself for this certificate, it makes it even absurder.
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Also the standard refinery foreman certificate is a prerequisite for the BASIC "Common Ore Refiner" certificate. Not very bright, is it?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:03:00 -
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Please change the image to a link.
Some cert prerequisites do not make as much sense as they could. Still if you want to be serious about refining/reprocessing you will need Scrapmetal Processing at some point.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Faiga Haze
The "Mining Foreman" Standard Certificate has got a ludicrous prerequisite - "Scrapmetal processing"...
Actually, that's the Refinery Foreman screenshot you've got there - but I get what you mean.
Honestly though, why care? Certificates don't actually do anything for you, and are recognized as having foolish requirements. No-one seriously uses these things as a metric to judge other pilots - and if they do, then they need to be stabbed in the face before they can reproduce their flawed genes 
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:42:00 -
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do certificates actually do anything though?
i've got good nav skills, but never bothered training the AB efficiency thingy past 3 so i can't claim my ULTIMATE ELITE MAVMASTER certificate, but it's not like i'm missing out on anything useful.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
do certificates actually do anything though?
i've got good nav skills, but never bothered training the AB efficiency thingy past 3 so i can't claim my ULTIMATE ELITE MAVMASTER certificate, but it's not like i'm missing out on anything useful.
This. Although I did train AB efficiency to 4 just for the cert.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:52:00 -
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the only reason i could think of for certificates are epeen swinging and for people wanting to join corps who require a certain level of skills but don't want to dump their stats onto ineve.
they're not particularly useful for new players since the trick to attaining the highest levels is just "train it all to five".
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Faiga Haze
Caldari
German arnima corp
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Please change the image to a link.
Done.
I know certificates aren't anything to bother but nevertheless, it's always very satisfying when clicking "claim cerificate"
And of course, they should be appropriate.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:32:00 -
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Most certificates are actually quite useful, as long as you don't immediately shoot for the elite ones. A new player looking into something will get decent skills if he gets the basic or standard certificates in a lot of cases.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
do certificates actually do anything though?
Nothing - they're the eve version of the "Achievement" system - pointless sinks of training that only exist so you can save you have them.
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SharpMango
14th Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:53:00 -
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A Refinery Foreman certificate requiring scrapmetal processing skill?
Who would have thought.
Certificates come in for a lot of criticism, but criticising one certificate for having one requirement, when you mean another, well, that is just unjust.
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Ergest Strauss
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:47:00 -
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Personally I'm OK with Refinery Foreman - Standard requiring Scrapmetal Processing.
The stupid thing IMHO is that Scrapmetal Processing already requires Metallurgy V, so why the frag the cert needs Metallurgy II? 
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Faiga Haze
Caldari
German arnima corp
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ergest Strauss
The stupid thing IMHO is that Scrapmetal Processing already requires Metallurgy V, so why the frag the cert needs Metallurgy II?
That's the point. Not only Metallurgy V, even Refinery Efficiency V, that's also listed as a need at level II 
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Daemien Murdoc
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Posted - 2009.01.02 20:24:00 -
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I was looking today the Ice Specialist cert, and it seems to require mining drone operation...  
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Patrice Macmahon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:10:00 -
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Do a bug report, as I did. Document and send it. They 'know about' some of them and state that they are working on a broad spectrum overhaul of the cert system and are considering (But not necisicarily going to impliment) changing skill access requirements, and a re-shuffling of the certs themselves. They gave no timeline of when these fixes were to happen, but they are working on it.
In the meantime, Bug Report the snot out of them. 
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Faiga Haze
Caldari
German arnima corp
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patrice Macmahon
Do a bug report, as I did. Document and send it. They 'know about' some of them and state that they are working on a broad spectrum overhaul of the cert system and are considering (But not necisicarily going to impliment) changing skill access requirements, and a re-shuffling of the certs themselves. They gave no timeline of when these fixes were to happen, but they are working on it.
In the meantime, Bug Report the snot out of them.
Thx, I'll do so.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
"train it all to five".
Yup, that's my motto. I do one thing, and I do it well, and when I'm done perfecting it I move on to the next thing to perfect. What is the point of spreading out skills to hundreds of different things?
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.03 15:14:00 -
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Its not like your forced to train the cert. They aren't required for anything. So stop your whining.
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Pugachev Cobra
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Posted - 2009.01.09 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
What is the point of spreading out skills to hundreds of different things?
It's a judgment call... whether that last bit of bonus for skilling to V is worth the time, when instead you could train several other skills to IV instead. Depends on how specialized you want to be.
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simply cheese
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Posted - 2009.01.09 21:29:00 -
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when we get amubulation, might be medals and crap that we can pin on of our certs.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.01.11 13:33:00 -
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The front of my uniform will get so heavy I fall over or I will suffer a Janet Jackson-like "wardrobe malfunction" |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: ry ry
"train it all to five".
Yup, that's my motto. I do one thing, and I do it well, and when I'm done perfecting it I move on to the next thing to perfect. What is the point of spreading out skills to hundreds of different things?
I kind of diversified early on, then specialised. Optimum efficiency? Maybe not. Who cares?
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.12 16:55:00 -
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Certificates are mostly a joke...
Looking at the things my alt does not qualify for most of the standard core skills because she didn't train her shield tanking skills (she being Ammar does not really need them for level 4 missions). Does that mean she is not a very skilled Ammar pilot? No with ~40M skill points she is quite a decent little Ammar fighter pilot, but since she doesn't have the core skills she does not get many of the other skills...
These certificates help new players as they give you some idea of what is needed to fly a ship resonably well and steer you away from the idea of needing to have level 5 for even being able to fly a ship. But other then that I would steer clear, they are quite pointless for any player with more then 20M skill points as these players shoudl know what they need and how far they should train any skill for them to be good enough to use a certain module.
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DeadRow
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.01.12 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: ry ry
"train it all to five".
Yup, that's my motto. I do one thing, and I do it well, and when I'm done perfecting it I move on to the next thing to perfect. What is the point of spreading out skills to hundreds of different things?
There are some skills that are not worth the upgrade from 4 to 5. Gun Specialisation for instance, 2% damage increase for about 3 guns is not worth the 29Days it takes to complete. Obviously suppose skills that help a number of ships/mods is worth it. |
Sen Zinei
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:01:00 -
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Certificates certainly need to be revised.
i was soloing L4s in a Drake, and then certificates came out, telling me i don't even have basic proficiency at passive shield tanking. go figure. |
Kordel Trask
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Posted - 2009.01.19 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Originally by: ry ry
do certificates actually do anything though?
Nothing - they're the eve version of the "Achievement" system - pointless sinks of training that only exist so you can save you have them.
100% right.
They were a lot of wasted development for an anticipated PR boon.
As far as I can tell complete failure. I would rather the time were spent fixing some of the things that haven't worked for years that keep getting pushed to the back burner for the next latest and greatest .... |
Vladimir Frye
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sen Zinei
Certificates certainly need to be revised.
i was soloing L4s in a Drake, and then certificates came out, telling me i don't even have basic proficiency at passive shield tanking. go figure.
Stop doing L4's. Get out of the Drake. The certificate says so... |
Ten Bulls
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:11:00 -
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Why are there so many people out there that dont understand what a certificate is for.
Ill give you a hint, ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING.
What do you want CCP to put laser beams on them and stick them on the outside of your ship so they shoot people who look at your training ?!?
Its just a guide which detail a path of progression for various eve (mini) professions.
There is some bad advice in there and it is a bad thing for CCP to be giving people bad advice, so it needs improving, but yea, its not supposed to do anything, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have a purpose.
Cant you kids find something more meaningful to whine and moan and ***** and complain about ? |
Xlera
Minmatar
Federation of Xenotech
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Xlera on 20/01/2009 01:02:20
certificates are just there to guide new players, if you already know what skills you need and you can tell certificates have unreasonable requisites you don't need them anyway
(i'm guessing they initially thought it would be used as a show off mechanism for the older players in addition to its guide function for newer players) |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 20/01/2009 12:44:31
Certificates would be so much cooler if they played 'We are the Champions' for every new and stupid certificate claimed.
BTW my industry alt trained scrap metal - any serious industrialist has it so stop complaining about a pointless certificate and train towards the useful skill anyways.
Then when people who build ships because 'the minerals are free' you can buy their ships - melt them down and sell the minerals - then you can exercise your Eve-given right to scoff at people who are dumber than you at a video game.
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Axmathos
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:59:00 -
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I wouldn't say that scrapmetal processing is useless, but it shouldn't be part of the Standard certificate. Hopefully they tweak this system to be more useful.
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