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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:27:00 -
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Scenario 1: Newb goes to Jita, looks and see's something he/she wants, but its 2.2 trillion ISK, buyer clicks on advanced and modifies price to 1 trillion, Hoping maybe it might work, but instead he just issued a Buy order, THIS has bin fixed with the "Instant feature"
Scenario 2 Kara Books alt, docks up in Jita, and decides her prices need a Makover, so she goes and modifies the Buy orders first, then looks over to a flashy Wallet button, and then realized that a Cerebrus was just purchased for a very strange number, almost 1B isk, wait thats not right, the ship costs 110M isk, Why wasn't the amount transferred to cover the cost of the purchase equal to that of the Sell order? NOT FIXED
Any body have anything to add to that? |

DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:33:00 -
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huh? |

Liberty Eternal
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:35:00 -
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Instead of paying 1 bil for the cerberus, it should only have taken a maximum of 110 mil. Have to agree - Kara, did you send a polite evemail to the person you overpaid? Human nature is often kinder than we think  |

Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:40:00 -
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OP in wrong corp Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:41:00 -
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Liberty Eternal wrote:Instead of paying 1 bil for the cerberus, it should only have taken a maximum of 110 mil. Have to agree - Kara, did you send a polite evemail to the person you overpaid? Human nature is often kinder than we think 
Yes, of course, It was also petitioned, Just in case. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:49:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:OP in wrong corp
The corp, gives me quite a few contract slots, its the right corp. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:51:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Liberty Eternal wrote:Instead of paying 1 bil for the cerberus, it should only have taken a maximum of 110 mil. Have to agree - Kara, did you send a polite evemail to the person you overpaid? Human nature is often kinder than we think  Yes, of course, It was also petitioned, Just in case.
Haha good luck with that. Working as intended and all that. |

Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:51:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:OP in wrong corp The corp, gives me quite a few contract slots, its the right corp.
I think he was referring to your corp name being a misnomer based on your post.
But I can not tell what goes on in the minds of others. Just guessing.
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |

Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:53:00 -
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^ got it right Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Bifordus Maximus
MissoCorp
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:27:00 -
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Hmm. I have had a similar experience but I had made a profit on it. I had a market sell order up for a certain item at 110,000 isk but somehow someone paid me an even 1mil for the item. I had to triple check it to make sure they didn't buy more than 1 or if it was a different item. I think the market is bugged a little bit. |

Dersk
90040045
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Posted - 2012.04.15 03:11:00 -
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Bifordus Maximus wrote:Hmm. I have had a similar experience but I had made a profit on it. I had a market sell order up for a certain item at 110,000 isk but somehow someone paid me an even 1mil for the item. I had to triple check it to make sure they didn't buy more than 1 or if it was a different item. I think the market is bugged a little bit.
If someone clicks sell order of 1 mil that is at the same station as your sell order, but your sell order is lower, then you get the sale for the 1 million, regardless of how much lower your sell order is.
The sale always goes to the lowest seller, even if the buyer clicks a more expensive listing.
People can mistakenly click an order that isn't the lowest sell if the orders are sorted by something other than price, such as jumps. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 03:58:00 -
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Dersk wrote:Bifordus Maximus wrote:Hmm. I have had a similar experience but I had made a profit on it. I had a market sell order up for a certain item at 110,000 isk but somehow someone paid me an even 1mil for the item. I had to triple check it to make sure they didn't buy more than 1 or if it was a different item. I think the market is bugged a little bit. If someone clicks sell order of 1 mil that is at the same station as your sell order, but your sell order is lower, then you get the sale for the 1 million, regardless of how much lower your sell order is. The sale always goes to the lowest seller, even if the buyer clicks a more expensive listing. People can mistakenly click an order that isn't the lowest sell if the orders are sorted by something other than price, such as jumps.
I dont know how to fix that, but I reckon fixing the Sell order thing is as easy as capping the amount of ISK that can enter the wallet for any sell order any one has to the amount the item is listed for. Or |

Nex apparatu5
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:46:00 -
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So if I'm reading this right, you added an extra 0 and bought a cerb for a bil, and you want the market to recognize this and only pay the min needed amount to purchase a unit of the item?
If so: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |

malaire
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:03:00 -
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In my opinion this is working as it should be.
Currently, if there are several sell orders of one item, say:
10 units at 140,000 ISK 15 units at 140,100 ISK 5 units at 140,200 ISK
If I want to buy them all, I can either manually buy each, or I can pay 30 x 140,200 ISK (i.e. a little extra) to get everything at once.
With proposed change, I could buy them all with single order without paying any extra. I prefer for it to cost extra to do this.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:32:00 -
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malaire wrote:In my opinion this is working as it should be.
Currently, if there are several sell orders of one item, say:
10 units at 140,000 ISK 15 units at 140,100 ISK 5 units at 140,200 ISK
If I want to buy them all, I can either manually buy each, or I can pay 30 x 140,200 ISK (i.e. a little extra) to get everything at once.
With proposed change, I could buy them all with single order without paying any extra. I prefer for it to cost extra to do this.
If you want to pay extra ISK, you press ALT-W and click on "Transactions" donate ISK to whoever you want on that list. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:17:00 -
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There is nothing wrong in that. |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:01:00 -
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OP enters buy order at over 100X market price. OP must have ignored market warning for buying at over 50% region retail price. OP petitions, OP gonna be sad with CCP response.
I once bought 3 Plex for 30M each on 3 contracts from same guy before I actually messaged him and told him what he was doing. <--- Kind of feel happy/sad about the message to him, I wonder how many more he would have placed?
Plan better, make sure your will is high and you're using mind skills when placing buy/sell orders. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.15 15:17:00 -
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CCP and their crappy market logic. :P
Limit orders |

Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 15:19:00 -
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Eve players and their crappy fat fingers.
Limit cheetos Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797
The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/
Now showing: The incursion situation |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:33:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:Eve players and their crappy fat fingers.
There's no excuse for bad code, sorry. |

Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:58:00 -
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You're assuming that it wasn't a design decision. Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797
The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/
Now showing: The incursion situation |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:38:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:You're assuming that it wasn't a design decision.
Stupid design doesn't make bad code good. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:15:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:OP enters buy order at over 100X market price. OP must have ignored market warning for buying at over 50% region retail price. OP petitions, OP gonna be sad with CCP response.
I once bought 3 Plex for 30M each on 3 contracts from same guy before I actually messaged him and told him what he was doing. <--- Kind of feel happy/sad about the message to him, I wonder how many more he would have placed?
Plan better, make sure your will is high and you're using mind skills when placing buy/sell orders.
Nope, no warning, its random, and yes contracts are a great thing to scan, especially as soon as they apear you look for mistakes, thus make what 1-2B per day in Jita? mindless work, not my kind of thing. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:21:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:You're assuming that it wasn't a design decision.
at this current point and time, we are all assuming, hopefully doing something positive while were at it. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:22:00 -
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I'd love to read the text of your petition. "CCP THE MARKET SYSTEM WHICH HAS WORKED THIS WAY FOR YEARS IS BUGGED!" |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:33:00 -
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corestwo wrote:I'd love to read the text of your petition. "CCP THE MARKET SYSTEM WHICH HAS WORKED THIS WAY FOR YEARS IS BUGGED!"
Oh I bet you would. |

Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:21:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Lauren Hellfury wrote:You're assuming that it wasn't a design decision. Stupid design doesn't make bad code good.
It's not bad code, it's just simple code. What you want is a new feature.
Like someone else pointed out, the whole reason for the current system is this
Sell orders: 1) 3 isk 100k units 2) 3.01isk 100k units 3) 3.02 isk 100k units
If you want to purchase 300k units, you can either do 3 separate purchase for the listed prices, or do one large purchase of 3.02 for 300k units.
This is a FEATURE. It makes purchasing stuff easier.
What you want is an extra feature. You want it so you can go in and put 4isk for 300k units, and have the program purchase each order at their listed prices "up to" 4 isk or your selected volume, whichever comes first.
I do agree that this automation would help, but it isn't "bad" code, it's just simpler code. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:43:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Lauren Hellfury wrote:You're assuming that it wasn't a design decision. Stupid design doesn't make bad code good. It's not bad code, it's just simple code. What you want is a new feature. Like someone else pointed out, the whole reason for the current system is this Sell orders: 1) 3 isk 100k units 2) 3.01isk 100k units 3) 3.02 isk 100k units If you want to purchase 300k units, you can either do 3 separate purchase for the listed prices, or do one large purchase of 3.02 for 300k units. This is a FEATURE. It makes purchasing stuff easier. What you want is an extra feature. You want it so you can go in and put 4isk for 300k units, and have the program purchase each order at their listed prices "up to" 4 isk or your selected volume, whichever comes first. I do agree that this automation would help, but it isn't "bad" code, it's just simpler code.
What if your internet lagged out, the decimal point. didnt come out as intended and you bought everything for 30200 per unit?
How about, keeping that feature but giving people the option to always enable warnings or just keep it at random. better yet, set the limit that one could overpay by a certain amount related to per unit cost. Or even better yet allow people to set that % Manually or at-least enable or disable the feature. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:50:00 -
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CCP decides to do something else, something unexpected from the way the rest of the world approaches such things. Don't mess with user expectations - doing that is stupid design, it is bad code.
"Click Exit to enter" ... that's not bad code, it was just simpler to type exit because there is one less character. |

Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:28:00 -
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/citigroup-trading-error-f_n_566623.html
real life trade mechanics are also broken.
CCP, FIX REAL LIFE MARKETS.
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