Can you please explain what this blue loot is?

Ubad, mro?

1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.

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Nerf Jove space too.

1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners

You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. Good job.

You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.

In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.

Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE.

Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs

And yet, behold the power of tears as theyre nerfing them anyways

Wormhole blue loot accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means without WH blue loot, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE blue loots ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.

How does blue loot add isk? NPC buy orders?

Yup. It's the equivalent of bounties on any NPC ships. And CCP put NPC buy orders up for them for that reason.

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Local Chat Intel is overpowered, game breaking, and it needs to go!

holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.

I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.

Darth just seems like a frickin ******. After having lived in wormholes for years, I can tell you this.

1. Wormholes are by no means overflowing with isk.

2. Whatever isk you make is shared with your fleet members.

3. You are going to die in a wormhole. Its not a matter of IF, or WHEN, but how often. Plan your finances accordingly.

I left wormholes over a year ago to run HS incursions with BOJ fleets, absolution fleet, and started making over 200 mil an hour. In wormholes I would make 150m an hour. (Which was judging by the time it took to farm all sites in a wormhole and selling it then splitting it up between your corp mates.)

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I do both. WH's and Incursions.

The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.

I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.

If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.

And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.

In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk

In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.

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Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well?

I daresay if he is outright reducing all income sources by 10%, he will be including NPC buy orders too.

Whether or not incursions get hit by a second nerf, to compensate for the changes to other professions, is a much more interesting question.

They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,

So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that.

can I get a link to that?

Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."

You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it.

Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.

Yup WH's blue should be nerfed into non existance because its a ISK faucet

Exactly the point of your thread: "WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH INCURSIONS ARE GETTING NUFFED, NUFF EVERYTHING ELSE NAO!!!"

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?

Lol so his data shows the percentage of characters situated in whs, rather the number of players who run wh sites. And it also fails to display the percentage of characters that run incursions, rendering the entire dataset useless for making such a comparison.

Bravo Darth, bravo.

lol oh lord

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gj making it unreadable, what a way to argue

This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them..

I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more ..

Kind of shooting yourself in the foot their, especially as I saw you flying around high yesterday in a bhaalgorn, seems a bit hypocritical considering their is no risk...

What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy.

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Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit.

Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons.

Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions.

Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.

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But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.

You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.

Inflation doesn't work like that you imbecile.

13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.

Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?

Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.

Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.

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Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.

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Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases.

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Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...

Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.

And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true.

You are wrong about what an isk faucet is, and you are wrong about blue loot $ not exceeding incursions.

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inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable???

Also, anyone interested in a quick break down of why darth's statistics suck, scroll to top of page. I will be reposting that information periodically as he repeatedly tries to bury it with necro ship toasting.

[How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?

400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600

So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?

Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

as far as I see, inflation getting worse when ppl started farming the f out of incursion.

why didnt inflation started right when incursion was out??? Because ppl didnt know how to farm them back there.

The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.

Darth nefarius has no wormhole knowledge therefore cannot really comment and is merely throwing his toys out of the pram because incursions got nerfed. Risk vs. Reward and considering capitals are often used in the higher classes with the potential for wormholes to spawn in from anywhere at any time its as risky as it gets.

Edit: damn autocorrect lol

Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.

Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet.

Are you serious? We take the most risk out of ANYONE in Eve, by far. At any given time while we're running sleeper sites, a new WH can pop up connecting to a hostile WH system and a hostile fleet can suddenly come in and blow up billions and billions of isk in an instant while we're running the sites we need to do to make isk. If WH's inject as much isk as incursions (I doubt this), then it's incursions that need to be nerfed, not WH's. You take away the blue loot, you take away a large portion of the income for the members in WH space that they need just to fund their activities.

This has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Go back under your bridge.

Look on the bright side, some of these imbeciles who think you need combats in wormholes are probably going to be trying out wh space soon.

Time to farm me some free c1/c2 tengu kills.

Wait are you saying that the increase in ship prices is somehow related to the incursion nerf and not the removal of drone alloys and massive overhaul of loot tables

You know that brings up a good point... i will be okay with a decrease in blue loot prices if and only if ccp puts ice into WH space and does so at a relatively normal rate

But... CCP must know what the isk sink v isk faucet ratio is for WH. I mean ships destroyed, POS's abandoned, etc.

did this thread get moved? Talk about throwing a lamb in the lions den.

PS. OP take a look in the wh forum dude, then come talk about risk v reward again.

Nooo, not the wormhole! They try to burns the precious! *Scuttles into his wormhole hermit pos*

my best friends dog's girlfriends uncle works for CCP and he said they wont close this thread until darth unsubs.