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Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:05:00 - [1] My alt can finally fly one of these, so now I'm looking for fittings. I played around in EFT and docked on tranq already, and the first thing that occured to me is that the ishtar is tight on both cpu and grid. The alt is fully specced minmatar with medium auto cannon spec lvl 5, and fitting auto cannons sort-of alleviates this problem a bit but named/faction can still be required to make it fit. A number of dilemmas need to be solved: AB/MWD. The latter has the obvious speed advantage but creates cap and fitting problems - it also cannot speedtank anything post QR; turning it on makes battleship sized guns hit for full damage. Which brings me to the second one, tank or buffer? Dual MAR fits with an injector, but it has a ridiculously low HP buffer, only about 20k for the entire ship with a ****-poor 2k armour. A plate greatly increases this, but also makes the ship much slower and the grid use of a 1600 is impossible to cope with. Luckily, the ishtar has plenty mid slots to make it a good tackler; disruptor,scram and web will fit next to an injector so that it will be able to hold down most targets easily. Highslots - three guns and 2x nos, pretty much. The fitting constraints allow for dual 180mm auto cannons only, but depending on the rest of the fit one or two medium nos will fit. I've tried a large number of different fittings, including 'single MAR + damage mod or third eanm/exp hardener' (lack of tank, more buffer, more dps, more free grid), 'single MAR plus 800 plate' (more buffer but slower and lack of tank), 'single mar + 800 plate without injector' (trying to rely on 1x med 1x small or 2x med nos for cap, more buffer but slow, more flexible in fitting), 'single rep, dual MWD and AB' (fits, can close range and then speed tank but loses the scram or web) All of these tried with AB and MWD, the latter often difficult to fit. A single MAR with AB should be able to speed tank most BS'es even when webbed but the lack of tank makes it very vulnerable against other cruisers/HACs. Dual MAR is the obvious choice then, but this creates grid problems with the mandatory cap injector. One of the fits I've considered is this one: [Ishtar, 1a] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 It compromises some of the options above but I'm far from satisfied. The two small neuts offer some protection against tacklers and other tanking cruisers, but unfortunately it's impossible to cram a medium one onto it so the range is very limited. The choice between tank rigs or cap rigs seemed easy as the former slow the ship down a lot but I'm left with a so-so tank (but the low sig sort of compensates for it) and an explosive hole which I am unable to fill without making any major other changes. A variant on this fit: [Ishtar, 1b] Medium Armor Repairer II Gallente Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 Less tank (but only about 35%), more buffer, and a medium neut (range). Much more cap stabile. ..continued below.. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:10:00 - [2] Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/01/2009 15:12:13 Not wanting to limit myself to AB only fits I took setup 1b and modified it so it will fit a MWD: [Ishtar, 1c] Medium Armor Repairer II Gallente Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Internal Force Field Array I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 It loses the medium neut in favour of the MWD. Less cap stable, much faster but unable to speed tank. It has a reasonable tank, though, but is more vulnerable than the dual MAR setup when webbed. Now, I feel like I've pretty much exhausted my options and none of them feels really convincing. So, input is very much appreciated. A few noteworthy skills to take in account when fitting: Heavy Assault Ships 5 Acceleration Control 5 / High Speed Manoeuvring 4 Afterburner 5 / Fuel Conservation 5 Medium Auto Cannon Specialisation 5 Cannot use medium blasters T1 or T2 Armour Compensation skills at lvl 4 Gallente Drone Specialisation 5 Advanced Weapon Upgrades 4 Electronics/Engineering 5 Most other support skills 4/5 Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.03 19:53:00 - [3] no-one? Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
tartrus Minmatar Dragon Highlords Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2009.01.03 20:04:00 - [4] Hi mum
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.01.03 21:27:00 - [5] [Ishtar, Dual Rep] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Shadow Serpentis Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Drones to taste. Small nuets prolly not the best but meh, can replace with anything taking less than 8 cpu each. .25 cpu, 1 pg left over.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.04 16:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Ronin Reborn [Ishtar, Dual Rep] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Shadow Serpentis Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Drones to taste. Small nuets prolly not the best but meh, can replace with anything taking less than 8 cpu each. .25 cpu, 1 pg left over. While it fits, it lacks firepower and range for the neuts, as well as cap to run them.. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.04 16:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Sokratesz AB/MWD. The latter has the obvious speed advantage but creates cap and fitting problems - it also cannot speedtank anything post QR; turning it on makes battleship sized guns hit for full damage. Wait a sec, is it really that bad? are you saying, 1.8km/s or whatever it is at around 20k cannot outrun BS guns tracking?
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:14:00 - [8] My opinion on the Ishtar is for the most part don't bother trying to tank it. Your best bet is to avoid damage all together and since speed tanking was nerfed I suggest using range as your tank. A sentry/nano sniper fit will deal 450+ DPS with very nice tracking from about 120k out. There is no tackle but with the recent nerfs the Ishtar just isn't a good solo ship anymore. Use the speed to escape bad situations or to position your sentries within optimal.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:18:00 - [9] Originally by: P'uck Originally by: Sokratesz AB/MWD. The latter has the obvious speed advantage but creates cap and fitting problems - it also cannot speedtank anything post QR; turning it on makes battleship sized guns hit for full damage. Wait a sec, is it really that bad? are you saying, 1.8km/s or whatever it is at around 20k cannot outrun BS guns tracking? Not any more no. Pulses will hit easily. Blasters with null and the mega's bonuses should do pretty well, too, same for auto cannons with t1 ammo or even barrage. Welcome to the age of sig radius... Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: P'uck Originally by: Sokratesz AB/MWD. The latter has the obvious speed advantage but creates cap and fitting problems - it also cannot speedtank anything post QR; turning it on makes battleship sized guns hit for full damage. Wait a sec, is it really that bad? are you saying, 1.8km/s or whatever it is at around 20k cannot outrun BS guns tracking? Not any more no. Pulses will hit easily. Blasters with null and the mega's bonuses should do pretty well, too, same for auto cannons with t1 ammo or even barrage. Welcome to the age of sig radius... You can drop a LSE off the pre nerf nano fit and fit a tracking disruptor with a optimal range script instead and that will generally allow you to speed tank but that pretty much means it's a 1v1 ship only. Makes a pretty good belt ganker but thats it.

Darth Felin	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:57:00 - [11] Edited by: Darth Felin on 04/01/2009 23:57:55 Only a few like shield Ishtar but imho it shine even after QR. You can try this one. High: 3x Dual 150mm Rail 1x Medium Unstable Neut 1x anything (small hull rem. rep) Medium: 1x MWD T2 1x Med cap booster T2 1x Warp Disruptor T2 1x EM Hardener T2 1x Large Shield Extender Low: 3x Overdrive 1x Damage Control T2 1x Sensor Enchanter T2 edit: Rigs are up to you, I use Extender Rigs.
Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2009.01.05 00:13:00 - [12] I like this one: [Ishtar, Repair Tank] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I / TP Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Salvager I /OFFLINE Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction /OFFLINE Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 You can overload blasters for about 2min30sec. Deals about 650dps and tanks 400dps. Choose your targets well and you can have some fun with this ship. -- Zuba
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:16:00 - [13] 3 x 75mm [for drones] cloak sb 10mn mwd 2 x lse 2 large cap battery 2 disruptor 2 x od2 2 x nanof2 damage control have fun
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Ignatious Mei My opinion on the Ishtar is for the most part don't bother trying to tank it. Your best bet is to avoid damage all together and since speed tanking was nerfed I suggest using range as your tank. A sentry/nano sniper fit will deal 450+ DPS with very nice tracking from about 120k out. There is no tackle but with the recent nerfs the Ishtar just isn't a good solo ship anymore. Use the speed to escape bad situations or to position your sentries within optimal. i would suggest ignoring what he just said. i can tank just fine with a dual rep setup. so you dont have much of a buffer, stagger your reps. if your taking that much damage that fast you may have put yourself into a really bad situation. speed tanking is still very possible vs a BS if you use an AB.
Kirtan Loor Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.05 07:45:00 - [15] To OP: I'll confirm now what you have been thinking. And answer some questions before you even ask them. Yes Dominix is better. Yes Ishtar is more fast/agile/nimble and stuff Yes Dominix with a few nanos/istabs is still better. Yes you have bought ishtar because it is a better alternative than deimos for gallente. Yes it is worth it because it is fun to fly. The best use I've found for ishtar is a mobile sentry platform in roaming HAC gangs. Support the drones with some 250mm t2's and you will outdamage zealots in such gangs... ...and Yes I wish Ishtar had more CPU/PG too.
Varrakk Phantom Squad	Posted - 2009.01.05 08:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Varrakk on 05/01/2009 08:43:37 I didnt bother with tank or guns on my Ishtar. Not really speed fit either It runs a single MAR tank setup with Auto Cannons. The concept is to instead reduce their DPS vs tanking it. Missile boats is a dilemma.. Mid: 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Web II 1x 10MN AB II 2x Balmer Tracking Disruptors
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2009.01.05 09:40:00 - [17] As expected from someone like Sokratesz, a nice and almost complete OP. The only thing I missed was the way you intend to use the ship? Because usage tbh is the only reason you would go for a mwd over an AB. Like you already mentioned, the mwd really hurts your setup on an Ishtar. Since you put disruptor + scrambler on the set ups I reckon you intend to (semi-) solo with it. I tend to run with this set up: 3x 200mm AC II + barrage s/rep fleet emp s 1x medium unstable neut/diminishing nos 1x small diminishing nos/unstable neut 1x 10mn Ab II 1x scrambler II 1x webber II 1x ECCM prototype magn 1x med cap booster II + 800s 2x MAR II 2x EANM II 1x DCU II 2x aux nano pump 7 ogre II 5 curator II 5 warrior II Quite similar to one of your first setups, you obviously have more drone space too. I like fitting an ECCM for solo, annoying little ecm drones would be a nasty way to lose a kill :). Curators are incredible at killing stuff that outruns you and is big enough to withstand warriors. But.. The only reason to fly an ishtar over a dominix for pvp-ing is to get in fights with people that would flee a domi.. You can tackle a lot better in an ishtar, but between a way better buffer and heavy neuts, your ability to get out isn't really better. Also, large smartie = dead ecm drones, domi just works better during the fight. Originally by: Sokratesz [.. stuff about tracking a mwd-ing hac ..] Not any more no. Pulses will hit easily. Blasters with null and the mega's bonuses should do pretty well, too, same for auto cannons with t1 ammo or even barrage. Welcome to the age of sig radius... This is truth, however, my domi can probably drop a pulse/blaster ship's dps by half by just getting in close range orbit. Without an AB. An AC, AB tempest generally just laughs at non-missile ships. You don't need a hac to have BS miss you, it's just even easier. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Major Galdari	Posted - 2009.01.05 11:34:00 - [18] Have you seen this setup? The author says it can do lvl 5's with ease. It's full passive shield tanked, and I've checked in EFT - the shield tank is awesome! That is of course an alternative way to use this PvP ship .. ;) http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,24139.0/Ishtar-Lvl-V-Runner.html
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Major Galdari Have you seen this setup? The author says it can do lvl 5's with ease. It's full passive shield tanked, and I've checked in EFT - the shield tank is awesome! That is of course an alternative way to use this PvP ship .. ;) http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,24139.0/Ishtar-Lvl-V-Runner.html Passive shield used to be great but the penalties of the extenders and rigs make it almost impossible now; plus the added benefit of free low slots is much less now that nano is pretty much dead. Originally by: Keitaro Baka As expected from someone like Sokratesz, a nice and almost complete OP. The only thing I missed was the way you intend to use the ship? Because usage tbh is the only reason you would go for a mwd over an AB. Forgot about that, doh. I'm looking for a solo/small gang set-up mostly, in fleets he will most likely be in either a sniper or RR tempest. I am leaning towards the single rep set-up with the exp hardener and small injector - two med nos, one med neut should offer enough extra cap from BS'es and protection against tacklers (if they come too close, nos/scramble/web them, and they should die quick, no?) [Ishtar, 1e] Damage Control II Amarr Navy Medium Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 Warrior II x5 Garde II x5 The rigs are still something I'm not too sure about though - the ccc's are a good all-round option but is there anything I can fit that doesn't slow me down or degrade my buffer/tank that would benefit the ship more? Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:31:00 - [20] The main problem with that set up for me would be the lack of buffer/tank tbh. With just 1 MAR and no plate at all you have just 2000 armour with about 75% res = 8000 raw armour buffer. One good salvo and you're well below half that and a single rep can't even hold up against a set of heavies, so you'll be killing drones half the time, making it more likely the target gets in a lucky shot/friends. Any dual rep ishtar will probably rip you apart. Having an exp hardener adds like 25% to your resistance, so from 55 to below 80 or something. However nice that is, I prefer tanking the explosive on hull a bit if needed, and repping up my 50-70% of my armour (depending on boosters and implants), just by having the second MAR. The nosses won't do that much if you're injecting. The rigs, well with a single rep the logical choice would be going aux nano pump + nanobot accel rigs. This makes your single rep a lot better and while it does lower your speed (depending on your rigging skill considerably) it's well worth it imho. The dual 180s I personally never tried, with the ammo usage of ACs and ammo size of medium ammo I generally just go small guns (not like you're using the bonus), they track drones pretty well too anyway. It's a decent fit for small gang, but with a single rep and thin buffer like that you do really need support. Solo BC and defo commandships might eat you alive. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:40:00 - [21] choices choices choices >< I can forfeit one nos or one neut for a second MAR - but it kills the cap stability. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Haalanii	Posted - 2009.01.05 12:52:00 - [22] Sok, what will your Ishtar do to escape a gatecamp without a MWD. Or a cloak for that matter? I'm curious about a pure solo-fit. Yours seems ideal for killing someone once you have them, but there is always travel through hostile space and we don't all have alts to scout ahead.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Sokratesz on 05/01/2009 13:04:41 If you don't get bumped you have a chance of making it back to the gate with the AB ishtar (600m/s), although it needs testing. I know for a fact that a 1000m/s AB vagabond makes it back to the gate regardless of what's on the other side. (tried and tested that) edit on second thought with the slow acceleration of the ishtar you probably will die with an AB when re-approaching. I would love to fit AB and MWD PLUS injector PLUS dual MAR - but its gonna need a grid rig to fit I'm afraid. brb, testing. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:11:00 - [24] [Ishtar, 1f] Medium Armor Repairer II True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Capacitor Control Circuit I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 0 cpu left 10 grid left Only real deficiency I can see is lack of cap. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Haalanii	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:27:00 - [25] Edited by: Haalanii on 06/01/2009 01:27:54 Edited by: Haalanii on 06/01/2009 01:27:27 Originally by: Sokratesz [Ishtar, 1f] Medium Armor Repairer II True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Capacitor Control Circuit I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 0 cpu left 10 grid left Only real deficiency I can see is lack of cap. How about a T2 exp hardener in place of one EANM? Fills in a hole, you still have 70% EM 80% Therm 90% Kinetic. Cheaper too. If tight on CPU factional works just as well.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 06/01/2009 03:21:59 Originally by: Sokratesz AB/MWD. The latter has the obvious speed advantage but creates cap and fitting problems - it also cannot speedtank anything post QR; turning it on makes battleship sized guns hit for full damage. MWD, no question. If you're only using an AB, your speed advantage over a Dominix disappears almost completely, and you have much lower tank and neuts (or dps, for a blaster Dominix). The AB "tank" is highly overrated, so I can't really see any reason to fly an AB Ishtar over a MWD Dominix. edit: the setup you posted with both looks kind of interesting. It seems like the Ishtar is one of the few setups with the right slot layout to actually do that effectively. Quote: Which brings me to the second one, tank or buffer? Dual MAR fits with an injector, but it has a ridiculously low HP buffer, only about 20k for the entire ship with a ****-poor 2k armour. A plate greatly increases this, but also makes the ship much slower and the grid use of a 1600 is impossible to cope with. Dual MAR, IMO, as the Ishtar is a purely solo (or very small gang) ship, and 20k EHP is probably enough to avoid getting insta-popped before your reps can cycle. -----------
Zurin Arctus	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:04:00 - [27] Ishtars make nice station ornaments in QR. Other than that...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.06 09:37:00 - [28] I'm going to do me some testing on sisi and tranq to see how the dual setup works out. Mind you the ishtar is a bloody brick and even with a MWD and max skills only does 1500m/s Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.06 09:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Haalanii How about a T2 exp hardener in place of one EANM? Fills in a hole, you still have 70% EM 80% Therm 90% Kinetic. Cheaper too. If tight on CPU factional works just as well. Second EANM is generally better than exp hardener, however, if you're gonna fit a third that becomes different. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
smljdcgirggsgmxghrm	Posted - 2009.01.06 10:33:00 - [30] What about: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I,Optimal Range Disruption Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Scorch S Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Personally I wouldn't fly around without a plate. Even with dualrep it's nice to have some buffer hp. cheers



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