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Cone Filler	Posted - 2009.01.05 13:55:00 - [1] Miner II's this has gone on for long enough they are so overpowered its ridiculus i meen what is the point of even have Barge's and exhumers Why is a BS able to mine more pr cycle than any off the 2 above stated? the reason why i call for this is to make the barge and exhumers more specialized My suggestion is Miner II atm: 80 cpu 4 MW 90 energy 60 m3 amount cycle 60 sec Now since this module is used by other than barge and exumers i porpose the following changes as you will see this put's it line with fittings on most bigger ships, i know what you are gonna say but what about the poor frigs .... well thats what we have the t1 versions for this is in no way an overall change just a change for the T2 Miner II 120 cpu 90 MW 150 Energy 30 m3 amount cycle time 90 sec /discuss flame whatever
Live B8t	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:00:00 - [2] This is all so true who hasnt killed thoose pesky mining BS's in 0.0, think off all the money they earn omg yep this needs change soon ...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:17:00 - [3] who cares?
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:30:00 - [4] OOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. Buff Strip miners? Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:42:00 - [5] I agree, nerf the miners.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Last Wolf OOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. Buff Strip miners? Buff mining barges tbh. Give them all the ability to fit one more strip miner. The Procurer and Retriver are a joke, and god knows mining isn't so exciting that making it go a little quicker wouldn't be a good thing.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.01.05 14:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Cone Filler what is the point of even have Barge's and exhumers Greater cargo capacity? Cheaper? Easier to fit? A battleship will not outmine an exhumer. A battleship will not outmine a Covetor. It can outmine a Retriever, and the Procurer is a joke (an Osprey will outmine a Procurer). They're fine as they are. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Aerin Cloudfayr the evil ones Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:36:00 - [8] but my mummy says it's prettier to mine in big long ships, and it gets me more bar bie dolls when we go out this one time i used a calclatar and i did some sums and i won and i got a pat on the head and daddy said we should totally hit it see if you look closeley at the chart i drew with crayons and my dogs dudu it clearly shows that mining with icy poles is significantly faster because mummy said so. So you're all wrogna dn stupid and i told mummy you were all bad and she patted me on the head and it was good. can i go outside and play with the grubs now?
Commander Yassir The Seven Sins	Posted - 2009.01.05 16:26:00 - [9] The hulk, if you run the numbers is top of the heap and outmines everything. Mining BS's are close and mine around the amount of a procurer. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Lady Rhayne	Posted - 2009.01.05 16:36:00 - [10] lol does someone not have the Battleship skill? I can use any of the mentioned options and I generally use a Hulk because it's got so much more space. Now if I could mine in a Carrier We need Fighers modified for mining and we need them now. Or Exumer Drones? If you think BS are better then it doesn't take all that long to level the skills.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:29:00 - [11] Someone is clearly clueless about mining. A battleship outmining a Hulk? Yeeeeeeeah right. Outmining a Retriever, yes. A Covetor or Hulk? Never in your life. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:53:00 - [12] To make mining less of a mindless macro/bot job and give it more player interaction; No more locking the asteroid as a target. When you activate the (strip-) miners, you get a 1st-person view with a crosshair, which you then have to aim at the roid and shoot. In order to keep it interesting, the crosshair sight will constantly move around - sort of like the when aiming with a sniper rifle in 1st-person shooters like Call of Duty and Day of Defeat - so that you have to keep adjusting the sights on the roid in order to mine anything. If you keep "shooting" without hitting the roid, the mining laser will overheat and eventually explode. Optionally - You get ejected from your ship - put into 1st person view - and you fly over to the roid with a jetpack and attack it with a mining pick, kinda like how you use the crowbar in Halflife. I belive this will be the solution to all concerns about mining being boring. Of course - while out there hacking on the roid - other players can scoop you to cargohold and sell you as a monkey on a leash over contracts. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Cone Filler Miner II's this has gone on for long enough they are so overpowered its ridiculus i meen what is the point of even have Barge's and exhumers Why is a BS able to mine more pr cycle than any off the 2 above stated? the reason why i call for this is to make the barge and exhumers more specialized My suggestion is Miner II atm: 80 cpu 4 MW 90 energy 60 m3 amount cycle 60 sec Now since this module is used by other than barge and exumers i porpose the following changes as you will see this put's it line with fittings on most bigger ships, i know what you are gonna say but what about the poor frigs .... well thats what we have the t1 versions for this is in no way an overall change just a change for the T2 Miner II 120 cpu 90 MW 150 Energy 30 m3 amount cycle time 90 sec /discuss flame whatever CCP, you should totally add a ship which can fit strip miners and mines a heaps big load of rocks. I propose the name: HALK It should be similar looking to a Coveter except it should have red flames down the side! YEAH!! sXe
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Misina Arlath To make mining less of a mindless macro/bot job and give it more player interaction; No more locking the asteroid as a target. When you activate the (strip-) miners, you get a 1st-person view with a crosshair, which you then have to aim at the roid and shoot. In order to keep it interesting, the crosshair sight will constantly move around - sort of like the when aiming with a sniper rifle in 1st-person shooters like Call of Duty and Day of Defeat - so that you have to keep adjusting the sights on the roid in order to mine anything. If you keep "shooting" without hitting the roid, the mining laser will overheat and eventually explode. Optionally - You get ejected from your ship - put into 1st person view - and you fly over to the roid with a jetpack and attack it with a mining pick, kinda like how you use the crowbar in Halflife. I belive this will be the solution to all concerns about mining being boring. Of course - while out there hacking on the roid - other players can scoop you to cargohold and sell you as a monkey on a leash over contracts. Suggestion wins on all levels. Misina for dev!
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:59:00 - [15] last I checked, a good skilled retriever pilot with strips will outmine the best mining BS's all day long.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Misina Arlath To make mining less of a mindless macro/bot job and give it more player interaction; No more locking the asteroid as a target. When you activate the (strip-) miners, you get a 1st-person view with a crosshair, which you then have to aim at the roid and shoot. In order to keep it interesting, the crosshair sight will constantly move around - sort of like the when aiming with a sniper rifle in 1st-person shooters like Call of Duty and Day of Defeat - so that you have to keep adjusting the sights on the roid in order to mine anything. If you keep "shooting" without hitting the roid, the mining laser will overheat and eventually explode. Optionally - You get ejected from your ship - put into 1st person view - and you fly over to the roid with a jetpack and attack it with a mining pick, kinda like how you use the crowbar in Halflife. I belive this will be the solution to all concerns about mining being boring. Of course - while out there hacking on the roid - other players can scoop you to cargohold and sell you as a monkey on a leash over contracts. Also, LOL. sXe
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:37:00 - [17] battleships are also a pain since you have to empty the cargo hold every 40 seconds. they should make it so you can't fit a cloak when you fit an NPC or mining fit ;-)
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:31:00 - [18] Who gives a damn? Hell, I've had OSPREYS that can outmine some mining barges. The difference is the cargo capacity. When you're out in the wilderness you just cant jetcan stuff willy-nilly, and non-barges can't mine ice. Barges DO have a purpose. Quote: Now since this module is used by other than barge and exumers i porpose the following changes Why do you care anyways? Are you comparing non-barges with Miner II's to barges with Miner II's??! Anyone who puts a Miner II on a mining barge is a complete idiot, and I don't think I've seen anyone do it. You run strip miners on barges, PERIOD.
Draku Rykenen Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:50:00 - [19] Would like to see Barge/Exhumer buffs for sure. Making miners more difficult to fit would seem a reasonable idea until you consider the effect on newer players. Not fitting a miner II or two on a BS would mean smaller ships would struggle even more and the new players that are stuck with Frigs or cruisers need the money more than the guy in a Rohk.
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr but my mummy says it's prettier to mine in big long ships, and it gets me more bar bie dolls when we go out this one time i used a calclatar and i did some sums and i won and i got a pat on the head and daddy said we should totally hit it see if you look closeley at the chart i drew with crayons and my dogs dudu it clearly shows that mining with icy poles is significantly faster because mummy said so. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. So you're all wrogna dn stupid and i told mummy you were all bad and she patted me on the head and it was good. can i go outside and play with the grubs now? Best post ever
Aerin Cloudfayr the evil ones Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:49:00 - [21] YES! \o/ Win.
coeathal vega Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:04:00 - [22] And I thought I was the only one bored at work
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:06:00 - [23] +1 high and CPU for extra strip miner to fit on all barges and exhumers.
KustoMKilleR Caldari The Nexus Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Morgan La'Chance +1 high and CPU for extra strip miner to fit on all barges and exhumers. ccp would also have to edit the ship models of the barges to add another place for the 4th strip miner. in short they wont do it
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Last Wolf OOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. Buff Strip miners? This. Money from mining sucks. Hence I never do it.
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:06:00 - [26] Edited by: Morgan La''Chance on 08/01/2009 10:06:18 Originally by: KustoMKilleR Originally by: Morgan La'Chance +1 high and CPU for extra strip miner to fit on all barges and exhumers. ccp would also have to edit the ship models of the barges to add another place for the 4th strip miner. in short they wont do it This is true, when they didn't even fix the malplaced chin gun placement on the premium Harbinger, or malpalced top gun on Cormorant.
Hansarde	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:26:00 - [27] Edited by: Hansarde on 08/01/2009 11:30:10 Lets see playing with EFT on my Apoc I can fit 8xMiner2s, plus a MiningUpgrade2 and 2xAoedeMiningUpgrades(500-600mil each) for a max yield of 971m3 a min which when converted into Omber gives 1618 omber a cycle or 97080omber/hour looking quickly for a mining guide I can only seem to find version 2.2 of the complete mining guide (Im sure there was one out for the orca now as well), which lists the Apoc with only MLU1s as 79680omber/hour Against the perfect hulk...150660omber/hour. Yeah - lets spend a billion on modules for a battleship to get fantastic mining - thats still not as good as a hulk. (/sarcasim off) Quote: Miner II 120 cpu 90 MW 150 Energy 30 m3 amount cycle time 90 sec Urm... You do the what a miner 1 looks like yes? 60 cpu 40m3 amount
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:36:00 - [28] [win] Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr but my mummy says it's prettier to mine in big long ships, and it gets me more bar bie dolls when we go out this one time i used a calclatar and i did some sums and i won and i got a pat on the head and daddy said we should totally hit it see if you look closeley at the chart i drew with crayons and my dogs dudu it clearly shows that mining with icy poles is significantly faster because mummy said so. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. So you're all wrogna dn stupid and i told mummy you were all bad and she patted me on the head and it was good. can i go outside and play with the grubs now? [/win]
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.08 17:17:00 - [29] Edited by: Ryuzaki Lawliet on 08/01/2009 17:18:34 Edited by: Ryuzaki Lawliet on 08/01/2009 17:17:36 Originally by: Hansarde Edited by: Hansarde on 08/01/2009 11:30:10 Lets see playing with EFT on my Apoc I can fit 8xMiner2s, plus a MiningUpgrade2 and 2xAoedeMiningUpgrades(500-600mil each) for a max yield of 971m3 a min which when converted into Omber gives 1618 omber a cycle or 97080omber/hour looking quickly for a mining guide I can only seem to find version 2.2 of the complete mining guide (Im sure there was one out for the orca now as well), which lists the Apoc with only MLU1s as 79680omber/hour Against the perfect hulk...150660omber/hour. Yeah - lets spend a billion on modules for a battleship to get fantastic mining - thats still not as good as a hulk. (/sarcasim off) Quote: Miner II 120 cpu 90 MW 150 Energy 30 m3 amount cycle time 90 sec Urm... You do the what a miner 1 looks like yes? 60 cpu 40m3 amount And a T2 fitted Rokh (not going to bother using the Aoede MLU's, but it requires either a CPU II + 1% implant, or faction CPU) can pull in 1059m3 / min, which becomes 1765 omber/min = 105,900 omber /hour. (No mining drones. And This wouldn't cost an extreme amount either [excluding price of ship, unless you happen to have one lying around].) And if you want to waste as much money as you can on a non-mining mining ship: Rokh 5x Aoede MLU 8x 'Wild' Miner I 5x Miner Drone II (Not using Harvesters because they are slow...) Yields 1466 ore/ min Which is 2443.33 omber/ min 146600 omber/ hour Now I thought that there was an implant that increased your mining yield by 5% and if there is your yields goes to (assume that it gives full 5%, since I don't remember if there is or isn't this implant, or whether stacking penalties would be counted against it): 1539.3 ore/ min 2565.5 omber/ min 153930 omber/ hour
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:25:00 - [30] a mining fit rokh with aoede (right?) MLU's can come close to a hulk in yield (taking a hulk with t1 strips and no MLU's) but at around 400-500mil per aoede MLU this isnt feasable
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:38:00 - [31] Am I the only one that believes this is a troll? Don't answer that
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:23:00 - [32] I know it's a troll, but I felt like posting the Rokh since I went through the trouble of trying to remember what I read, giving up, loading EFT and doing it myself. (That and I knew that the Apoc wasn't better than the Rokh.)
Vikura Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:40:00 - [33] Best i could come up with EFT was: 1202 m3 ore per min with Rokh 1201 m3 ore per min with Covetor This is in my opinion wrong and something should be done, i don't care what it is, as long as it makes barges better than ships used for combat when it comes to mining. While we're at it Procurer could use a buff too, make it be somewhere between a cruiser and Retriever.
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.01.17 20:13:00 - [34] What's a troll?

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