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Patrice Macmahon Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:19:00 - [1] 1 - Can a Frighter be loaded while it is in space. I heard something a long time ago to the contrary, but I also heard that Freighters can loot other freighter wreaks, so... 2 - Considering the following capacity of an orca - 100Km3 : rigged Ity V - 41km3, (2x tech II optimizer, 1x t1 optimizer) Or in reasonable ranges - 43km3 : 29 km3 (with 1 cargo optimizer I) Or in non rigged status - 38 km3 : 25 km3 (with only expander II's) Is it best to fully gang link the orca and have Ity's do the running, or rely on the orca's tractor beem to pull in loot? Is it possible to park a freighter next to the orca to shovel the ore into the hold for transport to refining station or jumped to market? What kind of setup works in all this? - I am assuming high security sector mining. Low and below I would assume that you hide the orca somewhere in the system and set as the overall fleet booster, while you have smaller command ships run as the security element with a ITY hauling for each mining group... assuming a HUGE mining op.... Basically, what is the smoothest operation for a large scale (10+ group total) mining op? The Intakis have an obligatin to defend the Federation, but not to assult others on its behalf.
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:51:00 - [2] Originally by: Patrice Macmahon 1 - Can a Frighter be loaded No. Originally by: Patrice Macmahon Freighters can loot other freighter wreaks Yes. Originally by: Patrice Macmahon Is it possible to park a freighter next to the orca to shovel the ore into the hold for transport to refining station or jumped to market? No.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:50:00 - [3] It is possible for a freighter to take from an Orca within the confines of a POS though. So, if you have the high-sec standings, it's worth putting one up. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:59:00 - [4] Keep in mind, the Capacitor gang link is a waste of space and time, so "Full links" is really only 2.
ingenting 20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:14:00 - [5] First, please use question marks for questions. Originally by: Pwett It is possible for a freighter to take from an Orca within the confines of a POS though? No. But a freighter can take from a POS hangar. Originally by: Pwett if you have the high-sec standings, it's worth putting one up? Not really. Maybe if you are doing huge mining ops in a system not even close to a station. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:23:00 - [6] Originally by: ingenting First, please use question marks for questions. Originally by: Pwett It is possible for a freighter to take from an Orca within the confines of a POS though? No. But a freighter can take from a POS hangar. Originally by: Pwett if you have the high-sec standings, it's worth putting one up? Not really. Maybe if you are doing huge mining ops in a system not even close to a station. I advise you not to change my meaning. A freighter CAN take from an Orca within the confines of a POS. End Stop. And yes, without a station obviously, however, it does save time even in station systems because one doesn't need to dock and undock. And, as it costs about a mil a day to keep a small POS with some corp hangars online to dump into, if you are mining in a system without a station it is highly recommended. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Callista Omenswarm Astronautical Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Pwett if you are mining in a system without a station it is highly recommended. Which in itself is advisable as running a decent mining op requires decent belts and you're more likely to find those in systems without stations.
Patrice Macmahon Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.07 03:19:00 - [8] So, orca to frighter transfers are only viable within a POS structure area of affect. That awnsers my primary question. Could you elaborate on why the lowered Capacitor Links are a bad idea? With your mining beems running 15-28% more often, wouldnt it be prudent to reduce their capacitor usage as well? What happens if they need to run a shield booster temporarily untill your security ellement arrives? And I have read the Miners guide, though it doesnt really specify orginazation or employment strategies for larger mining operations. Are there any decent guides out there adressing this? The Intakis have an obligatin to defend the Federation, but not to assult others on its behalf.
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.07 03:57:00 - [9] As far as running a shield booster - if it's a player attacking, turn off the lasers and get out of dodge. If it's an NPC - a hulk can tank them in it's sleep while the Orca is away. If the Orca is there, it can tank NPCs passive in it's sleep. ----------------
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.07 06:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Patrice Macmahon So, orca to frighter transfers are only viable within a POS structure area of affect. That awnsers my primary question. Could you elaborate on why the lowered Capacitor Links are a bad idea? With your mining beems running 15-28% more often, wouldnt it be prudent to reduce their capacitor usage as well? What happens if they need to run a shield booster temporarily untill your security ellement arrives? And I have read the Miners guide, though it doesnt really specify orginazation or employment strategies for larger mining operations. Are there any decent guides out there adressing this? Gistii a-type small shield booster + euctectic cap recharger _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Pwett Gistii a-type small shield booster + euctectic cap recharger Pithi B-Type small shield booster is cheaper and boosts more (but you need better skills to fit it and still be able to fit decent resists AND T2 MLUs as well). Hell, for high sec even a standard named t1 small booster is plenty good enough
Clansworth Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:24:00 - [12] He was talking about high sec ops, so perhaps just fit a civilian booster, or just let the hulk passively suck up the dps?
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:33:00 - [13] Yeah, but I guess the point remains that the cap efficiency mindlink is next to useless for a sufficiently skilled barge pilot as it provides no real benefit when the ship is already cap stable. Might be some benefit to lower skilled chaps, not really sure.
DazzStorm 11 Minmatar Blake Industries Collective Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:46:00 - [14] i find it hand to have to cpu link in a gang when u have rigs on for mining drones and mining upgrades in all the lows.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Maglorre Yeah, but I guess the point remains that the cap efficiency mindlink is next to useless for a sufficiently skilled barge pilot as it provides no real benefit when the ship is already cap stable. Might be some benefit to lower skilled chaps, not really sure. Even with a 0.0 tanking setup it's still cap stable if your cap skills are at level 4 - you might need to stagger your lasers, but still no need for the cap ganglink.
Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:45:00 - [16] tryng to verify a rumor - Are orcas at risk in empire to a tackler gang? They are not that strong, and left sitting in empire with no defenses and an AFK pilot in a belt make them easy "fun:" targets for high sec pvp'ers?
Callista Omenswarm Astronautical Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Irish Blend tryng to verify a rumor - Are orcas at risk in empire to a tackler gang? They are not that strong They've got more than enough HP to to ensure it'd have to be a rather large and impressive suicide gang who'd be able to take one out. So as long as you aren't war dec'd AFK-ing shouldn't be a problem.
Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:57:00 - [18] Thats was my response, but of course the answer I got back was "its happening"

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