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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:25:00 -
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A few corpm8's and I were gate camping and destroyed a ship then all warped away from the sentry guns. Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes and MWD'd to the gate and jumped into the next system.
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
The EVE news reads "Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range. The criminally inclined are advised to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades."
The "to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades" is the part that gets me. CCP why not be forthright and say exactly what the changes are rather than making some vague, contentless announcement?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:25:00 -
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A few corpm8's and I were gate camping and destroyed a ship then all warped away from the sentry guns. Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes and MWD'd to the gate and jumped into the next system.
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
The EVE news reads "Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range. The criminally inclined are advised to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades."
The "to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades" is the part that gets me. CCP why not be forthright and say exactly what the changes are rather than making some vague, contentless announcement?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:28:00 -
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Well, now you know.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:28:00 -
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Well, now you know.
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Zuko Vogon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:35:00 -
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The change is somewhat fine in my view, but I do not like the fact that the sentry guns and Concord are able to attack you while you are cloaked after entering a system.
Concord and sentry guns should not be able to hit you untill you decloak.
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Zuko Vogon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:35:00 -
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The change is somewhat fine in my view, but I do not like the fact that the sentry guns and Concord are able to attack you while you are cloaked after entering a system.
Concord and sentry guns should not be able to hit you untill you decloak.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:39:00 -
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not to mention 924 wrecking shots!!? WTF!!! there damage has been increased 10x!!!    
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:39:00 -
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not to mention 924 wrecking shots!!? WTF!!! there damage has been increased 10x!!!
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Inanna Sumer
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:39:00 -
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they did say exactly what the changes are:
"Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range."
shooting on some poor innocent traveller gets you criminally flagged, hence fair game for sentry guns, what's not to understand?
score one for the good guys 
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Inanna Sumer
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:39:00 -
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they did say exactly what the changes are:
"Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range."
shooting on some poor innocent traveller gets you criminally flagged, hence fair game for sentry guns, what's not to understand?
score one for the good guys
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:50:00 -
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lol, i agree with cashman !
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:50:00 -
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lol, i agree with cashman !
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Trevedian
A few corpm8's and I were gate camping and destroyed a ship then all warped away from the sentry guns. Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes and MWD'd to the gate and jumped into the next system.
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
The EVE news reads "Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range. The criminally inclined are advised to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades."
The "to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades" is the part that gets me. CCP why not be forthright and say exactly what the changes are rather than making some vague, contentless announcement?
HAH!
nub!
www.dark-cartel.com |
Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
A few corpm8's and I were gate camping and destroyed a ship then all warped away from the sentry guns. Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes and MWD'd to the gate and jumped into the next system.
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
The EVE news reads "Sentry guns have recently been upgraded in order to enable them to identify criminally flagged characters and they will now fire on any such characters that come within their range. The criminally inclined are advised to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades."
The "to proceed with caution in light of these upgrades" is the part that gets me. CCP why not be forthright and say exactly what the changes are rather than making some vague, contentless announcement?
HAH!
nub!
www.dark-cartel.com |
Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:59:00 -
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Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 03:59:00 -
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Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Cuthrid
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:05:00 -
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trev just casue it was a differrent system doesnt meen the cops didnt tell their mates u were bad....
Criminal Flaging only lasts 15 mins so wait 15 mins THEN jump
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Cuthrid
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:05:00 -
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trev just casue it was a differrent system doesnt meen the cops didnt tell their mates u were bad....
Criminal Flaging only lasts 15 mins so wait 15 mins THEN jump
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:11:00 -
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There is one place where these changes have no effect.
Therefore I brand this argument irrelevent and inflametory.
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Pulgor --- In service to Saram.
Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:11:00 -
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There is one place where these changes have no effect.
Therefore I brand this argument irrelevent and inflametory.
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Pulgor --- In service to Saram.
Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:00:00 -
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Sorry you got Aced, but the news was pretty clear. You performed an illegal act, you are branded a criminal, now you will be fired upon.
What's so hard to understand about that? There was no difference made between being in one system and jumping to another, it said very plainly, you are criminally flagged and WILL BE FIRED ON.
Case closed
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:00:00 -
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Sorry you got Aced, but the news was pretty clear. You performed an illegal act, you are branded a criminal, now you will be fired upon.
What's so hard to understand about that? There was no difference made between being in one system and jumping to another, it said very plainly, you are criminally flagged and WILL BE FIRED ON.
Case closed
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Garrack
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:04:00 -
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Man the PVPers whine just as much as the miners.
All I know is that as a miner, it's pret'near impossible to make a living in this game because hoardes of pirates get some sort of thrill out of popping defenseless thoraxes at gates.
Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel...
Esp. with 3 interceptors, 2 ravens, a megathron and 4 warp disruptors. I mean COME ON...!
Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel with a sherman tank... 6 of them, even.
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Garrack
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:04:00 -
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Man the PVPers whine just as much as the miners.
All I know is that as a miner, it's pret'near impossible to make a living in this game because hoardes of pirates get some sort of thrill out of popping defenseless thoraxes at gates.
Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel...
Esp. with 3 interceptors, 2 ravens, a megathron and 4 warp disruptors. I mean COME ON...!
Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel with a sherman tank... 6 of them, even.
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:06:00 -
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Yarrrrrrrrrrrr *PWN* and stuff =\
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:06:00 -
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Yarrrrrrrrrrrr *PWN* and stuff =\
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Belani
Yarrrrrrrrrrrr *PWN* and stuff =\
alex.... stop posting and keep mining for me yarr 
www.dark-cartel.com |
Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Belani
Yarrrrrrrrrrrr *PWN* and stuff =\
alex.... stop posting and keep mining for me yarr
www.dark-cartel.com |
John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
heaven for bid that the police would let their neibors know you were coming and to setup a road block for you.
come get real ,you honestly think that you should be able to commit a crime in one concord protected area and jump to another and be safe?
noob
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
heaven for bid that the police would let their neibors know you were coming and to setup a road block for you.
come get real ,you honestly think that you should be able to commit a crime in one concord protected area and jump to another and be safe?
noob
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:45:00 -
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Pirates + Sentry Guns = Bad Combination
It is pretty clear that piracy was meant to take place in low or no security space. So your arguement that you were not informed is without merit.
That sentry guns should somehow forget who you are and not attack you seems like a poor arguement also, most civilized nations can control their borders and scrutinize entry and exit.
The only point I can agree with is perhaps that the guns should not be able to hit you while you are cloaked. It might be argued that since you just hitched a ride on Concord jumpgate Concord might know where you materialized though.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.07.24 05:45:00 -
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Pirates + Sentry Guns = Bad Combination
It is pretty clear that piracy was meant to take place in low or no security space. So your arguement that you were not informed is without merit.
That sentry guns should somehow forget who you are and not attack you seems like a poor arguement also, most civilized nations can control their borders and scrutinize entry and exit.
The only point I can agree with is perhaps that the guns should not be able to hit you while you are cloaked. It might be argued that since you just hitched a ride on Concord jumpgate Concord might know where you materialized though.
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L'Ming
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Posted - 2004.07.24 06:26:00 -
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Here's a suggestion: proceed with caution in light of these upgrades.
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L'Ming
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Posted - 2004.07.24 06:26:00 -
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Here's a suggestion: proceed with caution in light of these upgrades.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 06:31:00 -
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here's another thought, why don't you pick a side and come join all of us carebears up north.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 06:31:00 -
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here's another thought, why don't you pick a side and come join all of us carebears up north.
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Ka'ira
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Posted - 2004.07.24 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes...
It seems like you thought 20 minutes wasn't for you, live with it...
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Ka'ira
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Posted - 2004.07.24 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Instead of waiting 20 minutes I jumped back to the gate after a few minutes...
It seems like you thought 20 minutes wasn't for you, live with it...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.24 07:49:00 -
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Trev,
Under the rules of engagement, you would've remained criminally flagged to PC's so it shouldn't have been such a surprise that NPC's would see you as criminally flagged.
Read the flagging guide again and wait the appropriate time before moving systems (it just resets the timer, iirc).
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.24 07:49:00 -
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Trev,
Under the rules of engagement, you would've remained criminally flagged to PC's so it shouldn't have been such a surprise that NPC's would see you as criminally flagged.
Read the flagging guide again and wait the appropriate time before moving systems (it just resets the timer, iirc).
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Todaviho
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Posted - 2004.07.24 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Todaviho on 24/07/2004 08:24:27
Originally by: Trevedian
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
Hrmm.... lets see who is the biggest carebear here? "Buhu i got shot after gateing. I want to shot stuff without any danger.... buhu"
or even better "Hay someone actually shot at me! How unfair"
ROFL 
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Todaviho
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Posted - 2004.07.24 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Todaviho on 24/07/2004 08:24:27
Originally by: Trevedian
How many more changes are going to be made to this game to make it carebear friendly and anti-pirate? Sentry guns attack you even when u jump into the next system wtf?
Hrmm.... lets see who is the biggest carebear here? "Buhu i got shot after gateing. I want to shot stuff without any danger.... buhu"
or even better "Hay someone actually shot at me! How unfair"
ROFL
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2004.07.24 08:25:00 -
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Did¦t that text file say that if you got flagged and you jumped in to the next system you would not be flagged. But the "old" system would still remember you so if you waited 2 days and jumped back in you would still be flagged for the remaining ~15min .
I think that it is really stupid that the sentrys fire on flagged ppl and not just ppl with the old aggression timer active, was¦t the flagging system only going to help ppl kill orerats/pirates? .
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2004.07.24 08:25:00 -
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Did¦t that text file say that if you got flagged and you jumped in to the next system you would not be flagged. But the "old" system would still remember you so if you waited 2 days and jumped back in you would still be flagged for the remaining ~15min.
I think that it is really stupid that the sentrys fire on flagged ppl and not just ppl with the old aggression timer active, was¦t the flagging system only going to help ppl kill orerats/pirates?.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:31:00 -
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I think the reason this made a news item was because of previous complaints that when CCP fixed bugs with the guns they didn't inform anyone.
(This led me to question Zombie's camping of Atlar, because it wasn't clear if they were exploiting broken gun range or whether they were instead damping a fixed gun and just being clever. - In fact it was the latter and that was okay.)
As a result, I think they're being a little more public about fixes to the guns. Jumping to the next system wasn't as far as I'm aware, meant to be a way to avoid punishment for your crimes, so that they fixed it shouldn't be a problem.
As to being more specific, I think it was fairly clear that the guns would open fire, how much more do you need to know?
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:31:00 -
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I think the reason this made a news item was because of previous complaints that when CCP fixed bugs with the guns they didn't inform anyone.
(This led me to question Zombie's camping of Atlar, because it wasn't clear if they were exploiting broken gun range or whether they were instead damping a fixed gun and just being clever. - In fact it was the latter and that was okay.)
As a result, I think they're being a little more public about fixes to the guns. Jumping to the next system wasn't as far as I'm aware, meant to be a way to avoid punishment for your crimes, so that they fixed it shouldn't be a problem.
As to being more specific, I think it was fairly clear that the guns would open fire, how much more do you need to know?
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
Aaahahahaha.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.24 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
After loading up into the next system I saw "Concord strikes you for a wrecking hit of 924!" and needless to say, my Battleship was toast before I could even align for warp to the next gate (I was on autopilot).
Aaahahahaha.
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Prank CEO
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Dont include pirates in the pvp crowd you **** , pvpers do it for the challange .
Otherwise ... Haha !
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Prank CEO
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Dont include pirates in the pvp crowd you **** , pvpers do it for the challange .
Otherwise ... Haha !
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:18:00 -
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Pirates aren't pvp'ers, they are pvc'ers (player vs carebears). They complain about not being able to shoot carebears without any risk in empire controlled space, ie, controlled by large empires which ahve tons of assets, research and especially huge fleets of ships at their disposal.
Carebears have the same "thing", only the other way around.
PVP'ers fight in wars and in 0.0, not in empire space against corps they don't even know.
Just get used to it that people whine about what they can't get (anymore), because "we are customers so f****n do what i say or i'll quit".
*sigh*
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:18:00 -
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Pirates aren't pvp'ers, they are pvc'ers (player vs carebears). They complain about not being able to shoot carebears without any risk in empire controlled space, ie, controlled by large empires which ahve tons of assets, research and especially huge fleets of ships at their disposal.
Carebears have the same "thing", only the other way around.
PVP'ers fight in wars and in 0.0, not in empire space against corps they don't even know.
Just get used to it that people whine about what they can't get (anymore), because "we are customers so f****n do what i say or i'll quit".
*sigh*
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Ocra Nomium
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:25:00 -
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just anohter way to force peeps into 0,0
PC shoots carebear over and over again carebear quits game. carebear shoots PC member over and over again PC member quits game
Numbers still dropping 
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Ocra Nomium
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:25:00 -
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just anohter way to force peeps into 0,0
PC shoots carebear over and over again carebear quits game. carebear shoots PC member over and over again PC member quits game
Numbers still dropping
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:14:00 -
[55]
Funniest thread ever.
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Kitten Hearder
Evolution made my sig
Less Entertaining
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:14:00 -
[56]
Funniest thread ever.
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Kitten Hearder
Evolution made my sig
Less Entertaining
than your's. |
Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:49:00 -
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I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:49:00 -
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I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
Harry Voyager
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:53:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Origim on 24/07/2004 12:57:23
Originally by: Harry Voyager
I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
Harry Voyager
Well, if you are criminally flagged, it carries over to the next system. They have pointed out that Sentries now shoot all criminally flagged players.
Hmm, all I can say to Pirates is... stop calling carebears 'stupid and whiners'.
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:53:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Origim on 24/07/2004 12:57:23
Originally by: Harry Voyager
I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
Harry Voyager
Well, if you are criminally flagged, it carries over to the next system. They have pointed out that Sentries now shoot all criminally flagged players.
Hmm, all I can say to Pirates is... stop calling carebears 'stupid and whiners'.
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Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 |
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:57:00 -
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best carebear killing pirate whine ever !
i give you 9/10
hell even the french judge gives you 9/10
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:57:00 -
[62]
best carebear killing pirate whine ever !
i give you 9/10
hell even the french judge gives you 9/10
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Todaviho
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:59:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Harry Voyager
I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
From "Patch 1424 to 1548 addresses Bug Fixes and Improvements"
Quote:
If a character is criminally flagged, the flag stays active for 15 minutes _after_ the criminal activity. The timer does not expire after jumping between solar systems. If the player commits another criminal act while the flag is active, the timer restarts.
No stealth nerf, no error. Just a bugfix to make it behave the way it was supposed to work. Aka criminal tag remains after gating. Criminal tag = turret shot.
/Todaviho
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Todaviho
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
I think what he was reffering to is that prior to this patch, security effect were nto carried between systems; they were restricted to the system you were in.
This patch apparently changed that, but neglected to inform anyone of that fact.
So while it may be a reasonable change, it is still a Stealth Nerf.
From "Patch 1424 to 1548 addresses Bug Fixes and Improvements"
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If a character is criminally flagged, the flag stays active for 15 minutes _after_ the criminal activity. The timer does not expire after jumping between solar systems. If the player commits another criminal act while the flag is active, the timer restarts.
No stealth nerf, no error. Just a bugfix to make it behave the way it was supposed to work. Aka criminal tag remains after gating. Criminal tag = turret shot.
/Todaviho
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:57:00 -
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Please change the title of this to Eve's dumbest criminal.
If only you had fraps, we could produce a video show of this and send you 1000isk for sending in any entry that makes it to the final cut.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:57:00 -
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Please change the title of this to Eve's dumbest criminal.
If only you had fraps, we could produce a video show of this and send you 1000isk for sending in any entry that makes it to the final cut.
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Jav Rendei
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jav Rendei on 24/07/2004 14:30:49
LOL, a pirate crying cos his lil' battleship got all blowed up by sentries
You know, about year ago, the cops weren't like these unrealistic insta-gank uber ships we have today... and I don't think sentries were either. Wrong-doers actually had a chance to escape! 
But as always, "pirates", griefers (call 'em what you will), enjoyed popping 1 week old noobs in starter systems..... until CCP stepped in and boosted sentries and Concord up to what we have today - unrealistic insta-ganking entities.
You reap what you sow.... YARRR!
EDIT: And I agree with Omega Man... Mods please change this thread title to "Eve's dumbest criminal."
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Jav Rendei
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jav Rendei on 24/07/2004 14:30:49
LOL, a pirate crying cos his lil' battleship got all blowed up by sentries
You know, about year ago, the cops weren't like these unrealistic insta-gank uber ships we have today... and I don't think sentries were either. Wrong-doers actually had a chance to escape!
But as always, "pirates", griefers (call 'em what you will), enjoyed popping 1 week old noobs in starter systems..... until CCP stepped in and boosted sentries and Concord up to what we have today - unrealistic insta-ganking entities.
You reap what you sow.... YARRR!
EDIT: And I agree with Omega Man... Mods please change this thread title to "Eve's dumbest criminal."
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:33:00 -
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Jav Rendei is about right of course.
gone are the days when pirates could gank just about anything in safe space by keeping out of sentry guns range.
Once it was discovered it was possible then basically it was a gankfest as everything was destroyed until CCP HAD to do something about it.
then of course it was lag inducing JIP ganking which had to be sorted coz the game was becoming unplayable.
Recently it has been all about tanking the sentry guns, well have a go at tanking these new guns guys.
Unfortunately once so many people try a tactic it becomes impossible to do much against it and when the destruction of peoples ships does cause problems the tactic has to be stopped.
the game balance will always favour the law-abiding members of the society.
if pirating as a profession did not have quite so many "griefers" it would be a better profession.
Trevedian in a previous post bragging about how he ganged a n00b expressly to blow him up.
That is not really the action of a pirate and just gives pirating a bad name (and will also make it more difficult in future for pirates to ply their trade.)
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:33:00 -
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Jav Rendei is about right of course.
gone are the days when pirates could gank just about anything in safe space by keeping out of sentry guns range.
Once it was discovered it was possible then basically it was a gankfest as everything was destroyed until CCP HAD to do something about it.
then of course it was lag inducing JIP ganking which had to be sorted coz the game was becoming unplayable.
Recently it has been all about tanking the sentry guns, well have a go at tanking these new guns guys.
Unfortunately once so many people try a tactic it becomes impossible to do much against it and when the destruction of peoples ships does cause problems the tactic has to be stopped.
the game balance will always favour the law-abiding members of the society.
if pirating as a profession did not have quite so many "griefers" it would be a better profession.
Trevedian in a previous post bragging about how he ganged a n00b expressly to blow him up.
That is not really the action of a pirate and just gives pirating a bad name (and will also make it more difficult in future for pirates to ply their trade.)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:59:00 -
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question:
the big red box around someone when criminally flagged means I can shoot 'em, right?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:59:00 -
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question:
the big red box around someone when criminally flagged means I can shoot 'em, right?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Thomdril Merrilin
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Ok so your a pirate yeah?
You attack innocents in a system then use an insta to jump through the gate... however NOW sentry guns will shoot people who are criminally flagged, that is YOU.
So isnt it logical the sentries should remember you are STILL a criminal when you jump into another system?
-I would say come out to 0.0, but you've already tried it and tbh you didnt do very well did you?
-- I also like these new icons
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Thomdril Merrilin
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Well the sentry guns attacked me in a system where I had done nothing wrong... Thats the point!
Don't get me wrong, obviously all you carebears appreciate the "Mining Sim" aspect of this game and marginalize PVP. But for pirates this is a huge, devastating change!
The second part of my criticism stems from CCP's inability to communicate changes effectively, especially when changes are made that adversely affect pirating.
Ok so your a pirate yeah?
You attack innocents in a system then use an insta to jump through the gate... however NOW sentry guns will shoot people who are criminally flagged, that is YOU.
So isnt it logical the sentries should remember you are STILL a criminal when you jump into another system?
-I would say come out to 0.0, but you've already tried it and tbh you didnt do very well did you?
-- I also like these new icons
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:41:00 -
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Sheeeze! Pirates get no luv on these forums! I'm quite surprised that no one agrees that this is a stupid change.
But irregardless of what the ignorant masses think, I still think its lame
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:41:00 -
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Sheeeze! Pirates get no luv on these forums! I'm quite surprised that no one agrees that this is a stupid change.
But irregardless of what the ignorant masses think, I still think its lame
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:46:00 -
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I think it makes sense, sorry 
If players can freely shoot you when you've switched systems, so should sentries
Sorry you had to lose your ship, though :(
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:46:00 -
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I think it makes sense, sorry
If players can freely shoot you when you've switched systems, so should sentries
Sorry you had to lose your ship, though :(
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Sheeeze! Pirates get no luv on these forums! I'm quite surprised that no one agrees that this is a stupid change.
But irregardless of what the ignorant masses think, I still think its lame
why would pirates get love? they (you) ruin other people's fun for thier (your) own enjoyment. your selfish, so get over it and enjoy being the bastard...isn't that kinda the point of being a scoundrel?
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.07.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Sheeeze! Pirates get no luv on these forums! I'm quite surprised that no one agrees that this is a stupid change.
But irregardless of what the ignorant masses think, I still think its lame
why would pirates get love? they (you) ruin other people's fun for thier (your) own enjoyment. your selfish, so get over it and enjoy being the bastard...isn't that kinda the point of being a scoundrel?
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:08:00 -
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oh dear Trevedian, everyone is wrong but you once more.
Wonder if this is telling you something, perhaps being one of the "enlightened few" is not so good.
I prefer to be one of the ignorant masses and having read the sentry gun rules understood i'd be wtfpwnd using an instajump through a gate after initiating aggression and being criminally flagged.
At least it gives something for your mighty brain to think on as you travel home in your pod. The rest of us will just stay the right side of our BS hulls, ignorant and warm.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:08:00 -
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oh dear Trevedian, everyone is wrong but you once more.
Wonder if this is telling you something, perhaps being one of the "enlightened few" is not so good.
I prefer to be one of the ignorant masses and having read the sentry gun rules understood i'd be wtfpwnd using an instajump through a gate after initiating aggression and being criminally flagged.
At least it gives something for your mighty brain to think on as you travel home in your pod. The rest of us will just stay the right side of our BS hulls, ignorant and warm.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:57:00 -
[83]
Please continue this discussion at this thread
Thank you 
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:57:00 -
[84]
Please continue this discussion at this thread
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
oh dear Trevedian, everyone is wrong but you once more.
Wonder if this is telling you something, perhaps being one of the "enlightened few" is not so good.
I prefer to be one of the ignorant masses and having read the sentry gun rules understood i'd be wtfpwnd using an instajump through a gate after initiating aggression and being criminally flagged.
At least it gives something for your mighty brain to think on as you travel home in your pod. The rest of us will just stay the right side of our BS hulls, ignorant and warm.
Why are you afraid to post w/ ur main character Omega Man? You just flame, flame, flame anonymously...
Omega Man has been in a newb corp for 8 months 13 days and his bio reads "Harmless alt, looking for some flying hours,
Just enough skill to fly a pod, and i fly a lot of them".
No wonder he doesn't like pie ratz...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
oh dear Trevedian, everyone is wrong but you once more.
Wonder if this is telling you something, perhaps being one of the "enlightened few" is not so good.
I prefer to be one of the ignorant masses and having read the sentry gun rules understood i'd be wtfpwnd using an instajump through a gate after initiating aggression and being criminally flagged.
At least it gives something for your mighty brain to think on as you travel home in your pod. The rest of us will just stay the right side of our BS hulls, ignorant and warm.
Why are you afraid to post w/ ur main character Omega Man? You just flame, flame, flame anonymously...
Omega Man has been in a newb corp for 8 months 13 days and his bio reads "Harmless alt, looking for some flying hours,
Just enough skill to fly a pod, and i fly a lot of them".
No wonder he doesn't like pie ratz...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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