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Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Kitchie I was disappointed You'll get that a lot in MD, you need to harden yourself to the fact that 90%+ of the offerings made here are better suited to the sewer than the forum. You must accept that most threads do not pay you back for the time spent reading, let alone deserve investment. Any other approach will just end up in you getting scammed. As one of the few long-term MDers that has never lost so much as a single isk to a scam, I can say that patience is my best defence, second only to my ability to judge character from text. One other piece of advice I can give is: Plans are nothing compared to the importance of the person behind them. Invest in people, not plans or percentages.
Sensei Wuz	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:34:00 - [32] oh, sorry, my Background check was asking people from the corporation that Shadow is part of, seems like a decent corp, fairly large, spoke to one of the high rankers and she told me that is Shadow does pull a runner with the cash then she'll personally kick Shaddow from the corporation and pay me back fully of what i lost. I spoke to a Nightcrawler 85, says Shadow is a good person. Reason why i know about the viruses of doom is cos Nightcrawler told me. I did ask more than one corp member btw, just incase Night and shadow wernt in it together. Answers your question?
Sensei Wuz	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:35:00 - [33] oh, and the reason i have 2 posts is because im fairly new to the game.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Sensei Wuz background check Sound. I still think you should have hung on to see an audit and security before you threw in your reservation. I would at least suggest you wait for both to be delivered before you hand over any isk. It costs you nothing to wait for that and it could save you more than you stand to gain. Aside from Cosmo's assault on the OP and the many other legitimate concerns I have with this proposal, I still think that if secured and audited there could be something of value to be had here. I don't believe I have sufficient information to make a determination one way or another and until the OP comes back to answer more questions and probably modify his proposal, that is the way it will probably stay.
Sensei Wuz	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Sensei Wuz background check Sound. I still think you should have hung on to see an audit and security before you threw in your reservation. I would at least suggest you wait for both to be delivered before you hand over any isk. It costs you nothing to wait for that and it could save you more than you stand to gain. Aside from Cosmo's assault on the OP and the many other legitimate concerns I have with this proposal, I still think that if secured and audited there could be something of value to be had here. I don't believe I have sufficient information to make a determination one way or another and until the OP comes back to answer more questions and probably modify his proposal, that is the way it will probably stay. oh yea, i know, its only a reservation, nothings been payed, i was planning on waiting ^ ^
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Bad Bobby I still think that if secured and audited there could be something of value to be had here. I don't believe I have sufficient information to make a determination one way or another and until the OP comes back to answer more questions and probably modify his proposal, that is the way it will probably stay. Eh, even then with the numbers so out of wack you have to suspect the acumen of the OP and whether any venture is worth the time invested.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.09 16:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Sensei Wuz oh, sorry, my Background check was asking people from the corporation that Shadow is part of, seems like a decent corp, fairly large, spoke to one of the high rankers and she told me that is Shadow does pull a runner with the cash then she'll personally kick Shaddow from the corporation and pay me back fully of what i lost. I spoke to a Nightcrawler 85, says Shadow is a good person. Reason why i know about the viruses of doom is cos Nightcrawler told me. I did ask more than one corp member btw, just incase Night and shadow wernt in it together. Answers your question? You should get them to post here saying that the OP is good. I would have thought the corp CEO would want to take up my 100M bet if she knows the OP has the assets?
Sensei Wuz	Posted - 2009.01.09 17:05:00 - [38] k, ill send her a mail with a link
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.09 17:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Bad Bobby I still think that if secured and audited there could be something of value to be had here. I don't believe I have sufficient information to make a determination one way or another and until the OP comes back to answer more questions and probably modify his proposal, that is the way it will probably stay. Eh, even then with the numbers so out of wack you have to suspect the acumen of the OP and whether any venture is worth the time invested. Oh yes, I agree absolutely. However, if I was holding the component BPOs and the jobs were being run while held in one of my shell corps (that I already use for this purpose) then I would stand to lose nothing and so my only risk would be that they do not pay out as much as I would like, which to be honest isn't the worst of my concerns here. I would only consider an invesment with someone of questionable ability (as well as trust issues) if the risks to me were reduced to zero. My gamble would be that the person turns out to have more potential than is displayed here.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.09 17:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Bad Bobby I still think that if secured and audited there could be something of value to be had here. I don't believe I have sufficient information to make a determination one way or another and until the OP comes back to answer more questions and probably modify his proposal, that is the way it will probably stay. Eh, even then with the numbers so out of wack you have to suspect the acumen of the OP and whether any venture is worth the time invested. Oh yes, I agree absolutely. However, if I was holding the component BPOs and the jobs were being run while held in one of my shell corps (that I already use for this purpose) then I would stand to lose nothing and so my only risk would be that they do not pay out as much as I would like, which to be honest isn't the worst of my concerns here. I would only consider an invesment with someone of questionable ability (as well as trust issues) if the risks to me were reduced to zero. My gamble would be that the person turns out to have more potential than is displayed here. I'll agree to that, and would likely do the same
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:04:00 - [41] Shadow is a long term member of our our corperation (first joined in 2007).During his time here he has been nothing but friendly and helpful towards the other members. I personally dident know about this project,but im not the CEO,and even if,members are encuraged to start up their own projects and its really none of our buisness ;) But i cant see any reason why Shadow would try/need to scam anyone.If he was just after easy ISK he could have robbed us a few times ;) I can only tell you how Shadow have been around us,and i know when its this much ISK some sort of...safety net...is needed.But that is something that has to be provided from Shadow him self,since as i said,this has nothing to do with corp leadership or the corp in general. I hope this will calm down the trolling a bit until Shadows computer is fully back up and running again (this is what he gets for watching all that **** ).But i want to close it off with..If this is some sort of weird scam (which i highly doubt since he isent stupid enough to try and break the corp rules and get kicked) it would be the first member of our corperation that has scammed anyone while flying under our banner,and he would not just loose membership,but our trust and friendship. Regards NC Phoibe Director
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:11:00 - [42] Keep in mind, we're not really trolling here. This is how we vet offerings, by more or less tearing it down to shreds. The ones that survive it, often go on to be successful and occasionally a few scams slip through the cracks. If its not a scam, and Im fairly certain its not, there are some big questions as to the numbers presented. Going through this process might point those out to the OP and get them to reassess their business strategy, formulate a new offering or realize that perhaps they may not need one at all if they restructure based on the vetting we provide here. So, it looks like trolling. but let's just consider it rigorous training by harsh and vicious beatings.
Hostility Incarnate	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:14:00 - [43] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 I personally dident know about this project,but im not the CEO,and even if,members are encuraged to start up their own projects and its really none of our buisness If this project goes badly or wrong you will find out how quickly it will become your business. Guilt by association is a legal standard in Eve.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:15:00 - [44] Well i have to admit im really not used to these forums...Been in trade like..once? before...So i really have no idea how things around here work :( (should mention i normally just read CAOD/general so im sort of expecting smack and trolling in every thread i open :) ) If my comment offended anyone i appologize.
Hostility Incarnate	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:17:00 - [45] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 If my comment offended anyone i apologize. If anyone got offended by your post they wanted to be offended no matter what you posted.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:36:00 - [46] Ok shadow just managed to get his hands on me and asked me to forward this message on the forums. For now he will have to cancel this project due to his computer beeing to infested with lesbians and God knowes what for him to beeing able to keep it going at this current time.He would write this him self but since he is at a work computer its not completely reliable.The project will get started back up after his computer is fixed. He also says he is sorry,he thought his computer would be back up and running by this time.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:40:00 - [47] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Well i have to admit im really not used to these forums...Been in trade like..once? before...So i really have no idea how things around here work :( (should mention i normally just read CAOD/general so im sort of expecting smack and trolling in every thread i open :) ) If my comment offended anyone i appologize. Your post was just fine, if it helps. hehe There's a high scam rate here, so projects are proved through flame. Refined.
Xabier Amarr THE SORORITY	Posted - 2009.01.09 21:44:00 - [48] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 He also says he is sorry,he thought his computer would be back up and running by this time. For curiosities sake could he evemail me his unlimited api key.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.09 22:34:00 - [49] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Shadow is a long term member of our our corperation (first joined in 2007).During his time here he has been nothing but friendly and helpful towards the other members. I personally dident know about this project,but im not the CEO,and even if,members are encuraged to start up their own projects and its really none of our buisness ;) But i cant see any reason why Shadow would try/need to scam anyone.If he was just after easy ISK he could have robbed us a few times ;) I can only tell you how Shadow have been around us,and i know when its this much ISK some sort of...safety net...is needed.But that is something that has to be provided from Shadow him self,since as i said,this has nothing to do with corp leadership or the corp in general. I hope this will calm down the trolling a bit until Shadows computer is fully back up and running again (this is what he gets for watching all that **** ).But i want to close it off with..If this is some sort of weird scam (which i highly doubt since he isent stupid enough to try and break the corp rules and get kicked) it would be the first member of our corperation that has scammed anyone while flying under our banner,and he would not just loose membership,but our trust and friendship. Regards NC Phoibe Director Thanks for the post. Just a word of warning. Two scams recently occured here for more than 20B total ISK. Individual investors took it upon themselves to hire mercs to POD the scammer plus his corp and people who vouched for him. As a warning to you and any other corp CEO out there, having someone scam the market when part of your corp may end up costing you a wardec. Remember some of the investors on here have very deep pockets and might lose 500M ISK to a scammer but pay over 5B for mercs for satisfaction! If I was a corp CEO I would want to know about IPO launches etc..
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.10 00:21:00 - [50] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 infested with lesbians I'd invest in that. Originally by: cosmoray Remember some of the investors on here have very deep pockets and might lose 500M ISK to a scammer but pay over 5B for mercs for satisfaction! Don't forget that a lot of us are alts of extremely violent mains. Scam me in a dream and you had better wake up and appologise.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.10 02:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: NightCrawler 85 infested with lesbians I'd invest in that. Reserve 430b for the infested with lesbians IPO
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.10 07:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: NightCrawler 85 infested with lesbians I'd invest in that. Reserve 430b for the infested with lesbians IPO Can we have an audit to determine if these are, in fact, actual lesbians and not fake internet lesbians?
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.10 07:40:00 - [53] Whats the diff? Other than how hairy... 10% for Returning Customers
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.10 08:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Brock Nelson Whats the diff? Other than how hairy... Oh no I'm not going to invest in a gang of sh*males.
Shadow Vincentius	Posted - 2009.01.10 13:24:00 - [55] The lesbians, are in fact, real lesbians. Kissing other girls and everything they are! And they definately have female *****es... hey, wait a minute... dammit =/ On the note of my (the OP's) project, unfortuneatly I'm holding it for now. Unfortunately a serious of events has occured; 1.) Trojan Virus on main comp which will not allow me to pass BIOS, and no need to give me tips on how 2 fix as im a nerd myself and am trying everything. 2.) Gas board are working outside our house and we have no gas. No gas means no hot water nor heating. Neither of these means no eve as much as I would like unless I sit there wrapped in umpteen layers. Plus I smell as I cannot wash, which isn't s problem for eve but I hav RL as well so Eve isn't top priority. 3.) Overtime at work. I had two tyres explode on me in one week and a holiday to save for in the summer, so I'm at work doing more hours than I would like. The project could still go ahead, but I wish to reduce risk of RL getting in the way to 0% before starting. So keep your ears pierced! Also, Xabier, thank you loads for offering to audit, I would be more than happy to get in touch with you and create one once this gets back on the road. From the wtfomgrapage I'm getting on here from not having my name out yet, I would appriciate your help in that and also will probably start the project smaller and expand rather than going for the full-blown approach here. SV <br/><br/>
Shadow Vincentius	Posted - 2009.01.10 13:27:00 - [56] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Ok shadow just managed to get his hands on me Haha NC... WIN!
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.10 14:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Brock Nelson Whats the diff? Other than how hairy... Oh no I'm not going to invest in a gang of sh*males. Sounds like a trap Tot he OP, good luck on getting RL sorted. When you get a chance swing back around this way and we can see if something can work out.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Shadow Vincentius Also, Xabier, thank you loads for offering to audit, I would be more than happy to get in touch with you and create one once this gets back on the road. You can post and that means: - You can get your api key. - You can pm/email it to a friend who can pass it to Xabier. - Xabier can audit you right now instead of in a few months when the api is cleared out of any possible suspicious dealings/activities. IMHO, you won't be offering your API key any time soon. "Oh well my keyboard lost the p key and my cat froze to death keeping me from getting a new power supply. Sorry." Once the spectre of an audit raised it's ugly head suddenly you disappeared and now you've a laundry list of all kinds of reasons to postpone.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.01.11 00:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Shar Tegral IMHO, you won't be offering your API key any time soon. "Oh well my keyboard lost the p key and my cat froze to death keeping me from getting a new power supply. Sorry." Once the spectre of an audit raised it's ugly head suddenly you disappeared and now you've a laundry list of all kinds of reasons to postpone. I'm with Shar on this one, this whole thread smells funny to me. (and no i'm not talking about the lesbians)
Xabier Amarr THE SORORITY	Posted - 2009.01.11 03:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Shar Tegral IMHO, you won't be offering your API key any time soon. "Oh well my keyboard lost the p key and my cat froze to death keeping me from getting a new power supply. Sorry." Once the spectre of an audit raised it's ugly head suddenly you disappeared and now you've a laundry list of all kinds of reasons to postpone. My offer still stands. Dynasty Investments Manager Xabiers Capital Bond #1/2 (FINISHED) Xabiers Capital Bond #3/4

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