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Mallory Sweetie	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Mallory Sweetie on 09/01/2009 07:37:03 Well, its time for a post about how CCP is slowly going mainstream.... "My favorite bands were awesome when they were starving and struggled to pay the rent, but when their biggest concern became what kind of art to hang on their walls in their big new homes, it all sounded like crap" Is it realistic to say CCP is shooting for a million boxes sold, hmmm? A million new subscribers, on one server??? Is Eve going to get sharded??? I know Eve was originally launched in stores only. From what I have read and heard that launch was probably not what CCP was hoping for. Now its the second time around. "Hey Mom, buy me this game, its about spaceships" Everyone sells out eventually.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:38:00 - [2] I know I got this silver tin hat somewhere..... I'll contact you once I've found it, you can have it for free. Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Mallory Sweetie	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:41:00 - [3] Well, tbh my tin foil hat is on right now, and it feels just right.... They have teamed up with Atari on this one, excuse the pun, but I think both CCP and Atari are shooting for the stars...
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:41:00 - [4] No chicken-little. shin ku myo u
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:42:00 - [5] I'd guess there goal is to make money. But that is just a guess My second guess would be world domination. With Iceland under their control, and Atlanta soon to fall giving them a rather large airport (and absolutely nothing else of value), they are well on the path already. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:43:00 - [6] My tinfoil thong is itching with excitement of the potential for MILLIONS of new players coming in and wondering who i am My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie Is it realistic to say CCP is shooting for a million boxes sold, hmmm? Not really... 200k more likely, at least until summer. Out of which maybe 50k resub. Quote: A million new subscribers, on one server??? Eventually, if things keep going like they have been going, quite possible. But we're a LONG way away from that. Quote: Is Eve going to get sharded??? Other than the unfortunate mandatory "China shard", no. One server (cluster) for the entire world. The day that ceases to be true is the day EVE no longer would NEED sharding, since at least half of the population would quit as soon as their sub expires, and many more soon after. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:50:00 - [8] Having to shard the server would be a real possibility if Eve's subscriber base suddenly blew up exponentially before they developed a way to support so many people on the single server. It'd be naive to think that in the face of this situation they'd stubbornly stick to the "one server only" mantra. But I seriously doubt the subscriber base would ever grow to that kind of size in the foreseeable future.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie They have teamed up with Atari on this one, excuse the pun, but I think both CCP and Atari are shooting for the stars... They also teamed up with Commodore, but i dont expect an Eve cartridge for my C64 anytime soon. Or Vampires from Whitewolf productions hiding in my hanger for that matter. Umbra Is recruiting Amarr Missioners!
Indiano Arko Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Having to shard the server would be a real possibility if Eve's subscriber base suddenly blew up exponentially before they developed a way to support so many people on the single server. It'd be naive to think that in the face of this situation they'd stubbornly stick to the "one server only" mantra. But I seriously doubt the subscriber base would ever grow to that kind of size in the foreseeable future. EVE server is not a single server in the mean of hardware backend. It's a cluster - many linked computers... so technically scalability is nearly unlimited unless great many of new players will concentrate within same system (group of systems that are on a same node). Network bandwidth might also be a limiting factor but I am not sure about current network loads so cant say anything here...

Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie Edited by: Mallory Sweetie on 09/01/2009 07:37:03 Well, its time for a post about how CCP is slowly going mainstream.... "My favorite bands were awesome when they were starving and struggled to pay the rent, but when their biggest concern became what kind of art to hang on their walls in their big new homes, it all sounded like crap" No, it's more like "That band was cool when a lot of people didn't know about them and I could act like I was superior for liking them, but now that they've achieved wider recognition, I resent that they are successful and getting paid to do what they love doing and since I can't stand out as being cool for liking them now that other people like them, I'm going to start hating them." Just because something is main-stream doesn't mean it's good. Just because something good goes mainstream doesn't mean it's suddenly crap. It just means that people who think that are uptight ****s (except for circumstances where the quality really did diminish). They're a lot like the people who go around saying "they don't make good music anymore! the only good music that ever existed was the stuff that they kept making until I suddenly got old!". People who call becoming successful "selling out" are douche bags. Why should anyone be a suffering starving artist for their entire life just so they don't subject themselves to your egotistical accusation that they're "selling out"? -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.09 07:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Having to shard the server would be a real possibility if Eve's subscriber base suddenly blew up exponentially before they developed a way to support so many people on the single server. It'd be naive to think that in the face of this situation they'd stubbornly stick to the "one server only" mantra. But I seriously doubt the subscriber base would ever grow to that kind of size in the foreseeable future. cough ahem... Quote: Microsoft Server Product Portfolio Customer Solution Case Study Leading Game Publisher Selects Windows HPC Server to Scale to One Million Players [...] When CCP was creating EVE in 2002, and needed to support a single, massively multiplayer game with thousands of concurrent users, it chose a highly unusual and visionary solution for the time: a custom high-performance cluster solution on Windows« 2000 Server, the then-current version of the Windows Server« operating system. Clustering enabled CCP to build a decentralized solution in which a central or “head node” computer parcels out portions of large computing tasks to many other computers, or “compute nodes,” for simultaneous processing. That was fine when EVE had 3,000 concurrent users. But as the number of such users soared toward today’s 40,000, and as the company anticipated growth to 100,000 concurrent users, it needed a more scalable, more reliable clustering solution to continue to provide users with the performance and low-latency they’d come to expect. [...] The company plans to migrate to Windows HPC Server from its current Windows Server 2003 environment in what James Wyld, Virtual World Project Leader, CCP Games, calls “a series of small, seamless steps,” rather than having to implement a major rip-and-replace. The application and proxy layers of the game will remain unchanged. The company currently runs EVE on 10 proxy servers, through which players around the world connect to the game. Behind the proxy servers is the application layer, which runs processing and simulations. This layer currently runs on 100 two-processor computers, or nodes, for a total of 200 processing cores. These nodes connect to what Wyld calls “the heart and soul” of EVE, the 1.5 terabyte Microsoft« SQL Server« 2005 database, with 40,000 input/output operations per second. With the move to Windows HPC Server, CCP expects to be able to immediately increase the number of nodes by 40 percent, to 280. [...] “We’re basically talking about changing the wheels on a racecar while it’s speeding around the track, rather than waiting for a pit stop,” says Jon-Carlos Mayes, IT Director, CCP Games. “Windows HPC Server will help us to do that. It will enable us to manage a massive, dynamic infrastructure very simply from one console, pretty much out of the box.” Windows HPC Server will also give CCP a supercomputing infrastructure that it can use as a template for future games. For CCP’s upcoming projects, the company anticipates an even greater population of players than the population playing EVE. “That’s where Windows HPC Server comes in,” says Halld=r Fannar, Chief Technical Officer. “We foresee a significantly larger cluster, so the management needs to be better. People say it can’t be done—we’re saying that’s where we’re headed.” There you go I suppose that's where the OP gets his questions from, anyway. But no, they're not ONLY talking about EVE, they're also talking about the "other" CCP project (CCP+WW->WOD). _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.09 08:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Having to shard the server would be a real possibility if Eve's subscriber base suddenly blew up exponentially before they developed a way to support so many people on the single server. It'd be naive to think that in the face of this situation they'd stubbornly stick to the "one server only" mantra. But I seriously doubt the subscriber base would ever grow to that kind of size in the foreseeable future. Why would sharding the server be better than just adding more nodes to TQ and more systems to New Eden?
Sense Offender Gallente Ethereal Spacesuits Aviation Chillout Club eXponential maXimum	Posted - 2009.01.09 09:04:00 - [14] I just had an interesting thought... With a normal video game release, there are often pre-sales for the game. The reason for this is so the company can earn money in advance to pay for the actual production and distribution for the game. Perhaps this Eve box release is a bit of a reverse of this... By selling the boxes to the masses, they'll get a large influx of money that can be applied to the next level of development. Maybe it's something they need simply to finish the completion and implementation of something major like ambulation. After all, under other circumstances, it would make sense to wait to sell the box to coincide with the release of ambulation.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.01.09 09:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie "My favorite bands were awesome when they were starving and struggled to pay the rent, but when their biggest concern became what kind of art to hang on their walls in their big new homes, it all sounded like crap" your in your mid to late 30's, and used to like guns n roses right? ;) lol - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2009.01.09 09:30:00 - [16] Tbh let be realistic consider EVE online marketing campaign over the past couple of years has probably tapped the majority of those that will be interested. I seriously doubt a boxed version will tap a new source of customers especially with a downturn in the overall market (don't quote Christmas sales figures at me their always high at Christmas its the post Christmas sales that will really show how ppl are behaving under normal circumstances as the majority of ppl that were getting cut from jobs got cut at Christmas not before). Tbh a number of moves from CCP in recent months have seemed far more marketing orientated rather than sticking true to the original principles of eve. Wrangler nicely provides some growth figures in another post if you wanna go find it but overall since apirl 2008 eve's only gained about 10k new subscriptions (not necessarily players), with ppl cutting alts away recently (yes it is happening) to save money I doubt we're going to see a lorn term significant raise in the subscriber base. Theres also a couple of other factors that work against eve (or for eve if you look at it in the respect of keeping the average IQ level high) one is the extremely steep learning curve, everyone's done this I don't need to explain why so many ppl just hit this and see it as a wall, the majority of ppl buying the box (that are new to the game) won't be those that can cope with the wall, Another is the simple fact eve is a niche game, you can't expand into what doesn't exist. Frankly I think we've already seen the biggest single increase in eve players come and that was the goons. I've played plenty of other niche games some mmo's included even ones that have had a retail box, it never really increased the population by any appreciable amount. Tbh a rapid expansion of a rabble ppl buying the box would do more harm than good, would certainly destroy the reputation and respect eve has worked up over the years. If they ever sharded, poof that would be is one of eve's biggest claims to fame disappears overnight. EVE's success really tbh relies in the loyalty of its players and as any sensible businessman will you its incredibly hard to earn loyalty but very easy to destroy it, so even though it may be a little harsh I sorta hope that the boxed launch kinda falls on its face and we keep the status quo regarding growth in eve, which is at a reasonable pace the dev's can cope with.
JagdWulfe	Posted - 2009.01.09 10:31:00 - [17] It is a catch 22 really. On one hand it is always good to bring new blood into a game. At the same time when players from MMORPGs with training wheels like WOW come in the problems start. One of the reasons I came to Eve a few years back was the idea of Risk vs Reward. If you can't afford to lose it then you keep it in the dock. With the Training wheel set that concept is lost on them as they are used to getting back their stuff when they resurrect.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:04:00 - [18] Originally by: JagdWulfe It is a catch 22 really. On one hand it is always good to bring new blood into a game. At the same time when players from MMORPGs with training wheels like WOW come in the problems start. One of the reasons I came to Eve a few years back was the idea of Risk vs Reward. If you can't afford to lose it then you keep it in the dock. With the Training wheel set that concept is lost on them as they are used to getting back their stuff when they resurrect. Aye it almost makes me want to take up pvp full time. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
JagdWulfe	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:06:00 - [19] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: JagdWulfe It is a catch 22 really. On one hand it is always good to bring new blood into a game. At the same time when players from MMORPGs with training wheels like WOW come in the problems start. One of the reasons I came to Eve a few years back was the idea of Risk vs Reward. If you can't afford to lose it then you keep it in the dock. With the Training wheel set that concept is lost on them as they are used to getting back their stuff when they resurrect. Aye it almost makes me want to take up pvp full time. I am stuck in the Sandbox till April 2010. No PVP for me or the lag monster will devour me. Though I can still mine and train for Maruaders. :)
Angelic Orange Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie Edited by: Mallory Sweetie on 09/01/2009 07:37:03 Well, its time for a post about how CCP is slowly going mainstream.... "My favorite bands were awesome when they were starving and struggled to pay the rent, but when their biggest concern became what kind of art to hang on their walls in their big new homes, it all sounded like crap" Is it realistic to say CCP is shooting for a million boxes sold, hmmm? A million new subscribers, on one server??? Is Eve going to get sharded??? I know Eve was originally launched in stores only. From what I have read and heard that launch was probably not what CCP was hoping for. Now its the second time around. "Hey Mom, buy me this game, its about spaceships" Everyone sells out eventually. Yes they want as many people as they can get to subscribe. No EVE will never be sharded. And seriously, Bands play music to make money, there is no point otherwise because if they don't make money playing music that means they have to get real minimum wage jobs flipping our burgers and telling us we don't look fat in pants 3 sizes to small for us. Join reality, really do it, there is plenty of room for everyone that wants a seat.

Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:35:00 - [21] Hmm a game company that makes games wanting more people to buy there game.....Bloody outrageous how dare they!
Ivena Amethyst	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Mallory Sweetie what is ccp's goal with m10 to make a wide range of people aweare of eve existance so that they can lure thuosands of them when ambulation comes out with a hot gallente chick on the box cover, making all the wow-fjortisar come running wtb anti "wtf is uppgrade harpoints??" / "wtf is villard wheel?!?!" / "wtf i cant max out in 1 week? <wine wine>" filter for chat channels for when that happends -------- Is that an Itty V in your pocket or ar you just happy to see me?
Sholen Skara Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.09 14:02:00 - [23] If CCP should ever decide to shard, then I propose they let the current population of TQ be as it is now, and never allow the new ppl on TQ :) As EVE is a niche-game, it won't appeal that much to the playerbase that's more in the mainstream MMO stuff imho... A lot of WoW players won't be coming here, but we can always expect some in general calling out "WTB TIII Epix PewPew Lazorships" and the like, but accustomed as some of us are to this, we will just be able to ignore those ****ers, and keep on playing with fun... On another note, this opens a whole new bottle of endless possibilities to YARR... Imagene this: You're hovering around a jumpgate, together with some of your piratebuddies, and suddenly, there's this new guy, fresh from installing EVE on his box... In typical WoW fashion, he jumps you with an invitation to fleet (or in WoW terms: he ninjas you with a group invite)... True pirate you are, you decide to have some fun with your buddies and your new 'best friend', and decide to go and show him where the best places are to go ratting in 0.0 space. You dutifully explain him what ratting is, and you let him take the honour of the first kill, while you keep supporting his ships. Now, as you and your buddies are flying PvP-Kitted T2/3 ships, have lots of SP's and a whole belt of experiance on, you feel generous, and decide to help him with killing, and allow the new player to gather all the loot... You could maybe even take some time, and let him save up for something bigger than a friggie... Now, having allowed him the honour of killing and looting rats, you can then propose him to teach the most valuable lesson in all of EVE: Never trust a stranger Lock, scramble, web, and a few seconds of pew pew later (don't forget to salvage too offcourse), and you just had some serious fun at yarring, especially as these new people will be feeling helped and appreciated in this universe :) You just have to disabuse them of certain visions about the playerbase I guess :) PS: CCP is a company, and isn't it every company's goal to make profit? ------------ Revenge is a dish best served cold, with those little yellow things on sticks...
Juzo Caldari Retribution Enterprises Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.01.09 18:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Khemul Zula I'd guess there goal is to make money. But that is just a guess My second guess would be world domination. With Iceland under their control, and Atlanta soon to fall giving them a rather large airport (and absolutely nothing else of value), they are well on the path already. Best part of the post.
Riedle	Posted - 2009.01.09 19:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Mallory Sweetie Edited by: Mallory Sweetie on 09/01/2009 07:37:03 Well, its time for a post about how CCP is slowly going mainstream.... "My favorite bands were awesome when they were starving and struggled to pay the rent, but when their biggest concern became what kind of art to hang on their walls in their big new homes, it all sounded like crap" No, it's more like "That band was cool when a lot of people didn't know about them and I could act like I was superior for liking them, but now that they've achieved wider recognition, I resent that they are successful and getting paid to do what they love doing and since I can't stand out as being cool for liking them now that other people like them, I'm going to start hating them." Just because something is main-stream doesn't mean it's good. Just because something good goes mainstream doesn't mean it's suddenly crap. It just means that people who think that are uptight ****s (except for circumstances where the quality really did diminish). They're a lot like the people who go around saying "they don't make good music anymore! the only good music that ever existed was the stuff that they kept making until I suddenly got old!". People who call becoming successful "selling out" are douche bags. Why should anyone be a suffering starving artist for their entire life just so they don't subject themselves to your egotistical accusation that they're "selling out"? THIS^^
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.09 19:34:00 - [26] It already sucks for n00bs now due to overcrowding and incessant and pervasive n00b baiting tricking flipping griefing whatever. Another 200k or even 100k people will make it horrible for them. Some will stay regardless, most will emo/rage/quit, and the rest of us will continue to argue and ***** on teh forums and play on the single server.


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