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Crackuji
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:19:00 -
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The moon exploit is now a 90-page thread. I think some people want to know - was there any conclusion to this, without reading 90 pages? Did CCP accept responsibility or was it swept under the rug like the T20 incident?
Not being a troll, some inquiring people want to know 
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:24:00 -
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So...since they've chosen to not answer to a 90+ page thread in the appropriate forum, you're of the opinion that your making a thread over here is more likely to get a response? |

Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:25:00 -
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CCP takes action in the "let it blow over" variety whenever a scandle happens.
Don't expect an answer. |

Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:26:00 -
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I know someone who has a friend who has an aunt in Iceland.She said CCP did accept responsibility. |

Amber Coldheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai So...since they've chosen to not answer to a 90+ page thread in the appropriate forum, you're of the opinion that your making a thread over here is more likely to get a response?
If you read his post one more time, he is asking if there *is* an answer in there, without having to read the whole 90 pages of it to find out for himself.
Reading comphehension ftw....
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Crackuji
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai So...since they've chosen to not answer to a 90+ page thread in the appropriate forum, you're of the opinion that your making a thread over here is more likely to get a response?
OK, so they never replied to a 90-page thread. In that case, let's just forget about the whole fuggin thing! No harm done, eh? |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gnomes Rock CCP takes action in the "let it blow over" variety whenever a scandle happens.
Don't expect an answer.
I still want Zulupark's head  |

Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Gnomes Rock CCP takes action in the "let it blow over" variety whenever a scandle happens.
Don't expect an answer.
I still want Zulupark's head 
Everybody wants something from Zulupark... |

Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:54:00 -
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They didn't post in the thread. Rather, they had a meeting with the CSM about it, and then posted the minutes of the meeting online. They also posted several news items about it.
Personally, I think CCP handled this issue better than any others in the past.
If you're expecting them to release the names and addresses of the offenders, think again. That's not gonna happen. But what they did do was pretty open and fair, IMHO. |

yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:13:00 -
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Heres the conclusion op: you should have been spat! |
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Crackuji
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion If you're expecting them to release the names and addresses of the offenders, think again
What in the f..., who said anything about that?
I read the blog a month ago and it still leaves a lot of question unanswered, such as:
Quote: Pattern asked if they could put that number into isk terms or into the likely increase or effect on the market that would now ensue after the bugÆs correction. Diagoras stated that they canÆt give isk numbers currently as it required further data mining.
Quote: 4. How much contraband resources were produced through this exploit, and how big a share of the overall production is this? EyjoG stated that the exact numbers werenÆt known currently, but will be part of the entire investigation
Quote: Meissa asked how far the current database extends. EyjoG responded that different data sets go back to different time periods, and as an example they know the exploit existed earlier than March, but they havenÆt been able to find anyone using the exploit earlier than that yet. However they need to restore the older data so that they can mine it to see if people were using it earlier and stopped.
This is only a small selection. The ignored thread in question is here
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yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:28:00 -
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you should have been SPAT!!! |

Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:29:00 -
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last annuncement 19-12-08
report of the 20-12-08 meeting with the CSM
Probably we will see a further report after the next meeting with the CSM. I doubt there were a lot of persons datamining for further informations during the Christmas holidays.
And BTW, what do you mean with "Did CCP accept responsibility"? Responsibility of what? The existence of the bug? already done. Some thinhattering someone has dreamed?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crackuji
I read the blog a month ago
Your nmonth has less than 20 days, and half of those where holidays. Larn a bit of patience. |

Crackuji
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Probably we will see a further report after the next meeting with the CSM.
WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THE PLAYERS' ACTIONS LOLOLOL
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 01:53:00 -
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Dunno guy, but after the hubbub that this caused and the ferrogel market going nuts a month later ships still cost about the same. So I'm guessing we've seen what we are going to see about the issue the rabble rabble was fun for a while, but please bury your keyboard next time you feel like rabbling some more if there is more to know we will(n't) hear about it any time soon. |

Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.10 01:57:00 -
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I think the conclusion most of the playerbase reached was that CCP hired an economist who didn't realise more products were being produced than the resources needed to make them. Kinda elementary economic theory there, one would have thought. |

ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.10 01:59:00 -
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the moon exploit was faked on a soundset in arizona. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.10 02:08:00 -
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It was concluded that the moon exploit was an exploit that was being exploited by certain exploiting parties |

Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.10 02:16:00 -
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So I cut my hair tonight and since it was short anyway my face ended up with a bunch of even shorter hair on it and then I drank from a waterbottle and I think some of said hair is now in my stomach 
Should have just swept it all away with a towel like CCP did with the moon mining exploit
^^ topical.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.10 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum So I cut my hair tonight and since it was short anyway my face ended up with a bunch of even shorter hair on it and then I drank from a waterbottle and I think some of said hair is now in my stomach 
Should have just swept it all away with a towel like CCP did with the moon mining exploit
^^ topical.
I cut my hair too... now I got a big blue mohawk  |

Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.10 02:24:00 -
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CSM is getting a report on this in our meeting with CCP next week. |

Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny It was concluded that the moon exploit was an exploit that was being exploited by certain exploiting parties
you don't say?
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Marisal
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Posted - 2009.01.10 10:05:00 -
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The reality is, CCP did as much as they can as soon as they were aware of the issue, no one at CCP was responsible, it was a coding oversight, anyone thats ever encountered a piece of software doing something unexpected knows how easy this can occur.
Down to the nitty gritty, theres lots of whining and gnashing of teeth of ppl thinking its destroyed the economy ppl that are griping because others got a unfair share of the isk and they want some of that or if they can't have it then it shouldn't exist full stop. Sad to neither of those is gonna happen no matter how much data mining does all they can really do in the end is be upfront about how much isk this injected into the economy, do some damage limitation, (basically they've already done that removed assets and banned those directly involved)
But the short of the matter is that a good portion of the isk is scattered to the four corners of eve gone through various market transactions has been converted into other assets and now probably resides with someone who has no idea of its illegitimate origins. The only way to resolve that is for CCP to track the isk to its destination and remove the isk from the players wallet im quite sure if you logged in and found out that half your wallet had vanished because 6 months ago you bought something from Player A who'd built it with the minerals purchased from Player B who'd refined those minerals from ore bought with isk made by shipping ferrogel from a location where Player C was selling it at a lower value than the market norm because Player C was getting it from a dodgy source.
If you remember your mmo history there are other mmo's out there that have banned or removed the currency from third party players completely unaware they'd got dodgy currency and it never went well for them.
Tbh i commend CCP on been upfront and honest and dealing with this case rapidly
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Acrel
Amarr makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.10 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Acrel on 10/01/2009 10:23:56 I wouldnt get your hopes up if you expect a clear cut answer about the deal.. CCP is probably gonna try to sweep this under the rug in hopes it doesnt turn into another T2O. Chances are that this is another T2O in which a programmer coded this intentionally and released the info to his corp/alliance to gain an advantage :tinfoil:.
Either way same with the CSM minutes that where released awhile ago about this issue CCP will most likely give unclear answers or nothing could be found at this time.
All I really wanna see CCP do is release the names of the major corps/alliances that abused this system, but sadly that will never happen.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.10 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Acrel Chances are that this is another T2O in which a programmer coded this intentionally and released the info to his corp/alliance to gain an advantage :tinfoil:.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. |

Acrel
Amarr makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.10 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
When in doubt tinfoil |

Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.10 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Acrel I wouldnt get your hopes up if you expect a clear cut answer about the deal.. CCP is probably gonna try to sweep this under the rug in hopes it doesnt turn into another T2O.
The T20 incident only got that big of an issue because they tried to sweep it under the rug and didn't take any consequences. I think CCP knows damn well not to do that again. |

Acrel
Amarr makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.10 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kuranta
The T20 incident only got that big of an issue because they tried to sweep it under the rug and didn't take any consequences. I think CCP knows damn well not to do that again.
True but then again when T2O happened they where deleting any and every post that even dealt with the matter.. Now they just aren't commenting or bringing it up.
Tbh I dont think its another T2O but the longer things go unanswered the more I start to wonder. |

Astro Glyde
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:10:00 -
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Move along, nothing to sig here...
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