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Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:40:00 -
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Eve needs a wide variety of risk vs reward. This is why there is high/low/null.
High sec should be a fairly safe area where to get your feet wet. A great example of this is NPC manufacturing. You have to wait in line, and it is much slower than a PoS, but you get to try manufacturing without a huge investment.
Every part of Eve should have the ability to "try" with little investment but with a heavy set of restrictions. Otherwise It's like taking a 8 year old kid, and telling them to choose what they want to do and tell them they're stuck with it as no one wants to waste 6 months training and saving only to find out they don't like it. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1127
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:12:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote:EVE is a solo game with ennemies having sometimes great AI.
Playing several accounts together helps.
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
206
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:44:00 -
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Ah one of these posts. Sure a fleet of 20 (enter mighty ship name) can protect a hulk in highsec. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:45:00 -
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poastin' in a masternerdguy thread ! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:01:00 -
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Barakach wrote:
High sec should be a fairly safe area
you went wrong about here
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
19
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:05:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Ank Parkor wrote:EVE is a solo game with ennemies having sometimes great AI. Playing several accounts together helps.
Several accounts on a MMO is like only imaginary friends on his birthday. You have all the avantages like all the cake but something seems a bit wrong.
In EVE it is much more convenient to do everything by yourself, maybe except PVP. The game design doesn't reward enough team effort for PVE.
And the most important all EVE players hate mankind and all that is good, pretty or honest. They want to shoot people, not talking to them.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
653
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:25:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote: Several accounts on a MMO is like only imaginary friends on his birthday. You have all the avantages like all the cake but something seems a bit wrong.
Sort of a tangent ...
This reminds me of a comment made by a dev many years ago at a Fanfest, Oveur I think it was. A question was asked about ship crews, and CCP's thinking at the time was to paraphrase, "We don't want players hanging out with only their pets, we want people interacting with one another." ... but CCP is more than happy to let you pal around with your alts?
There's pretty much nothing CCP can do about alts, or would, it is there bottom line after all. But using alts just seems like a big cheat to me. Why not go buy PLEX and sit on a giant pile of ISK and prtend you alone, your in-game effort, produced it. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:38:00 -
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I don't hate mankind. I'm just sorta pissed off at the bunch for a lot of reasons which mainly center around selfishness, and its big brother, egotism. Mankind hasn't ever accomplished much except by group cooperation. Even the great individuals known as artists have a lot of support function behind them, or we'd never know who they are.
There is no such thing as "casual" play. That's an inaccurate term that's cropped up, probably 'cause it's rather inoffensive. Take me for instance. I'm 56 years old. I was not only raised to compete, I was raised to be a rabid competitor. "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." I spent half my life engaged in all or nothing athletic competition normal people could rightfully call "insane."
But, it's not limited to the basketball court, baseball, or football fields. This type-A, winner take all, sort of person (thank you) tends to not confine it. Chess, cards, board games of all kinds...win! win! win! Or, to your opponent, "Die! Die! Die!" And, yes, with video, or computer games...the world opens up...MMOs??? Smack real people IN a video game???? There IS A GOD!!!
I have slam-dunked, home-runned, knock-his-dic^-in-the-dirted my way through life. Mudballs, water balloons, ray guns, missile boats... Saints of Battlefield 2 be praised ... for DECADES, and guess what. You reach a point where it's tiresome. It's repetitive. It's the same old same old. Whistle blows. Stomp the foes. Whistle blows. Stomp the foes.
What appeals to me about EVE is there are contributions I can make which don't involve stomping someone. You may call it whatever you want. I can build. I can create. This is a big change for me. I've broken real bones, and had mine broken. I've drawn blood and been bled - actually. I have more porcelain in my mouth than teeth. At this point, an adrenalin rush makes me nauseus.
Please. Allow me, or afford me, or whatever you want to call it, a bit of nice, relaxing - peaceful activity. Old warhorses should be able to graze around while the stallions snort and stamp and charge. You have the benefit of my wisdom in how to compete, organize, train...you have my humble efforts in helping you gear up and get into the fray.
I'm not a carebear, unless you count caring if my side stomps yours. I'm just a worn out warrior looking for a place on the field where I can offer some help, stay close to the smoke and ruin, but not have to worry about paying my cardiologist any more than I have to. Feel free to do what you like. Just gimme a little space to do what I want. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:45:00 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:Funny, I don't recall complaining about flying solo or asking for special treatment.
Me either. This whole thread is what we call a red herring. People like the OP are the first to cry nerf when a Titan blob stomps thier Maelstrom Blob and are the first to belly ache about the dumbing down of EVE but the only math they want to introduce is, my blob is bigger than your blob, my blob wins. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
344
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:48:00 -
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Masternerdguy seems to be overcompensating for his "Small holdings" The pie is a tautology |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:59:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You are choosing to play an MMOrpg by yourself, and are complaining about not having enough advantages? Let's go down the list of things causal players tend to suggest.
- Small holdings - CCP, I don't want to join a real alliance so allow me and my 2 friends to claim a solar system while only protecting it part time.
- More Concord - CCP, I don't want to lose my hulk because I mine afk and alone so please give it 300k EHP so I can continue to play solo.
- Bigger Solo ISK Faucets - CCP, I don't have the time to invest in EVE so please make solo content that makes me still competitive with big teamplay content.
- Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.
- Buy/Trade/More SP - CCP, I don't play as much so I should train faster than others to stay competitive.
- Reimbursement - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should reimburse my losses in PVP.
- Dueling System - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should make me only able to PVP when I feel like it.
Stop suggesting game breaking things because you are unable/unwilling to invest the time or thought to play this game as a team, as it is intended to be. Discuss.
I am one the has been asking CCP if they will do anything for the solo/casual/time lacking player, but I cant remember asking for or see any of the above asked for ?
More NPC stations in 0.0 would be a good thing and I believe pull more people out of high sec, but not to claim sovereignty that would a dumb ass idea like rest quoted above, which thinking about it is probably a troll post, and I bit .
Tal |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:17:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Thought this was a sand box, who are you to tell me how I should play? Part of having a sandbox includes those that would oppress you. This is EvE after all. Or, does all that stop where your feelings begin?
Just getting tired of seeing the same crap told over and over again, even when it's wrong. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:24:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:I think you miss understand the small holdings claim...rather make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc) It also makes breaking into enemy's space a bit cooler :) Since you can sneak in and try doing stuff there.
If course you should just blow up their cynojammers and drop your supercapital fleet and two fleets of capital ships and pew pew everything befre jumping out and posting your pos.jpg for when they exit RF.
Ocih wrote:Lfod Shi wrote:Funny, I don't recall complaining about flying solo or asking for special treatment. Me either. This whole thread is what we call a red herring. People like the OP are the first to cry nerf when a Titan blob stomps thier Maelstrom Blob and are the first to belly ache about the dumbing down of EVE but the only math they want to introduce is, my blob is bigger than your blob, my blob wins. Yeah, I know right... just the other day, these elite pvpers where whining because of our superrifters and uberdrake blobs.. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:37:00 -
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When did "The Sandbox" turn into "The Greek Shower". There's room in this game for everyone and you should be glad it stays that way. |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:42:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Thought this was a sand box, who are you to tell me how I should play? Part of having a sandbox includes those that would oppress you. This is EvE after all. Or, does all that stop where your feelings begin? Just getting tired of seeing the same crap told over and over again, even when it's wrong.
Your definition of "Sandbox" is very 1980's trailer park. That said, I understand what your trying to say, your just to stupid to know how to say it. |
Lonox
Hilmar is Lord
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:47:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Doc Fury wrote:The Harsh Truth About "masternerdguy"
You must be really lonely and need to post for attention.
this
Because of "likes".
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
280
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:54:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:MMORPG
Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game
Trying to play solo in an MMORPG is like expecting to play a shooter game without getting shot at. Point is, if you play solo you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you don't want to play with others you should not be accommodated for.
Multuplayer does not mean that you have to play with those people, it just means that you have some kind of interaction with them, whether direct (I blew your ship up) or indirect (you just bought a new ship from me on the market and you give that ship to a corpmate).
If you are a marketeer in EVE, you dont need to speak to anyone to make your billions. Are you interacting with other players? Yes, but by and large, you are not targeting a specific players with your sales. Would I be missing a huge part of EVE by not interacting with other players? Yes, but it depends on that player.
If I'm playing WoW, I dont need to team up with 5 other players to get to level 80. I can do quest every day untill I hit that number and not talk with one person during that process. Is it boring as hell? Maybe..but again, that depends on the player. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:09:00 -
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Eian wrote:Surge Roth wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Thought this was a sand box, who are you to tell me how I should play? Part of having a sandbox includes those that would oppress you. This is EvE after all. Or, does all that stop where your feelings begin? Just getting tired of seeing the same crap told over and over again, even when it's wrong. Your definition of "Sandbox" is very 1980's trailer park. That said, I understand what your trying to say, your just to stupid to know how to say it. People who call others "stupid" should know their own language. Your English is atrocious. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:31:00 -
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So i'm a pretty solo, casual, 'carebear', and I don't remember asking for any of this.
That said, op is a generalizing jerk who needs to have his computer rights taken away because it's past his bedtime and his game isn't going his way so he's cranky. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:36:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Thought this was a sand box, who are you to tell me how I should play? Part of having a sandbox includes those that would oppress you. This is EvE after all. Or, does all that stop where your feelings begin? Just getting tired of seeing the same crap told over and over again, even when it's wrong.
heres some new crap
Quote:The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
334
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:56:00 -
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I got more harsh truth today from that BM after lunch than what this thread can deliver. The harsh truth is that there are still those who feel the need to dictate how others play, to suit themselves. They don't care about the balance of the game as a whole, but their own enjoyment of the game. However, they turn around and say that the group that offends them by playing casually/solo are the ones trying to dictate the way the game is played.
A lot of your "truths" have to do with a PVPer dictating what a PVEer does with his time in game. That's the biggest truth in your statement, the rest is twisted comments gathered from across the boards, usually from newer players who haven't really grasped the game for what it is yet. Even I have done it when I first started playing. It happens.
My truth, though, when it comes to Eve, it's this mentality that keeps me casual and solo. I just don't want to be around those who want to dictate how others spend their $15. By playing solo, I save myself a whole lot of grief and aggravation from those who just can't be happy with what they have. As far as I am concerned, the galaxy can burn around me and I won't even blink. I haven't found a reason to be concerned any further than my own happy little sphere of influence. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
418
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:59:00 -
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Roime wrote:On some forums, people are banned for badposting.
Not this one thank god https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ava Starfire
Skadi's Call Defiant Legacy
232
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:22:00 -
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Solo player/pvper checking in.
Do I roam in gangs? Yep. When I want to.
Am I in a corp/alliance? Yep. Look right there, to the left. I fly with them... when I want to.
Do I do moneymaking stuff on my own? Yep. Why the hell wouldnt I? A pie sliced one way leaves me the biggest slice, after all?
Do I pvp alone? Yep. When I want to, which is most of the time.
Cool thing about EVE. I can do what I want. It seems you have a hard time with me doing what I want, OP.
My advice?
Suck less. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:45:00 -
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THE HARSH THRUTH ABOUT PLAYING BY YOUR SELF IS THAT IT CAN BE SELF SERVING AT TIMES.... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:11:00 -
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Never mind. |
Boston Bradley
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:20:00 -
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Playing EVE by yourself is like playing football/basketball with a 1 man team. It's unfair and not fun UNLESS you're playing a team with 1 person too.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Stop being a loner. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:55:00 -
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Boston Bradley wrote:Playing EVE by yourself is like playing football/basketball with a 1 man team. It's unfair and not fun UNLESS you're playing a team with 1 person too.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Stop being a loner.
opinion. Its MY opinion that its fun
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Stop telling ppl how to play
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Signal11th
457
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:14:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:MMORPG
Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game
Trying to play solo in an MMORPG is like expecting to play a shooter game without getting shot at. Point is, if you play solo you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you don't want to play with others you should not be accommodated for.
Pretty much this, although MMORPG doesn't actually mean that you have to play with others, it just means as in life large groups of people doing the same thing will accomplish it faster than people on their own. Anyway there are plenty of ways for a solo player to earn isk without logging on all the time,
Missions LVL 4 or 5 plenty of isk for a reasonably SP'd alt quick too. Station Trading, this one is the easiest even I made a few bill doing this for about an hour a day, boring as hell though. Exploring.
I am a "soloish" player as in I mean I have little time to log on during the week and when I do I'm usually in a fleet or doing alliance stuff so I have to find creative ways to make money to fund my EVE life, it's possible just most of the time mind-numbingly boring.
The good thing about EVE is that at the start you want shiny shiny but then after a while you realise you're having more fun in a frigate. Shiny is nice but really unless you're sat in a SC/TITAN or 14 years old it's completely pointless.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Karim alRashid
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:52:00 -
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Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:Who decided that MMO means playing WITH players and not AGAINST players?
I'd pay ISK for having the option of more "Likes" on this post. |
Belshazzar Babylon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:29:00 -
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Silly me thinking that the sandbox meant I got to choose my own path. Whether that be joing an 8000+ alliance as a foot soldier in a Maelstrom, dying gloriously in a hero rifter, running in a small gang with friends, or even gasp solo mining.
I know some people have a hard time understanding that the solo Hulk out there is actually PvP even when hulkageddon is not going on. He's competing with every other hulk out there. He even has to compete against the bots which means he actually faces more competition than most.
Me I'm a total casual carebear. I give CCP my 15 bucks and run Angel Exstravaganza on a Saturday morning while my kids watch cartoons. I'm pretty happy with most of the game mechanics.
I see just as many threads on here from Nullbears. Nerf AFK Cloakers who Meta Game, Nerf Incursion income from players who come together. Nerf the Cloak+MWD trick. Nerf Titans they destroyed my blob.
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