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Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:20:00 -
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I'm getting tired of setting every up after each mirror. Since the mirrors don't transfer POS info's over from TQ...can it please not delete POS's setup on SISI...(along w/ station offices ect.) |
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:24:00 -
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That sounds improbable, as it would require additional database work when creating the mirror, if it's even possible.
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Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:38:00 -
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So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ?
It already transfers ships/fits and other related nonsense, why can't it transfer POS stuff, i just like to test manufacturing things, and all these new Mirrors is not making it easy...
Why did CCP create this latest Mirror when clearly they were not scheduled to do it for atleast another month or two? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:41:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote: Why did CCP create this latest Mirror when clearly they were not scheduled to do it for atleast another month or two?
Escalation. Sorry their work schedule does not meet up to your needs, but they have things to do. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:42:00 -
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It is a TEST SERVER.
It's frankly amazing we are even let on at all. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.04.17 14:00:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ?
Please read this again, and think about it carefully. Then you should be able to answer your own question.
HINT:- People other than you set up POSes as well
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:08:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ?
To avoid spying. It would be much too easy to spy on your enemies defenses and production.
CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock Writing bug reports | Mass tests
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:24:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ? To avoid spying. It would be much too easy to spy on your enemies defenses and production.
Dang, I woulda never thought of that !
Maybe it's the wrong game for me, or I'm doing it wrong ! There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:46:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ? To avoid spying. It would be much too easy to spy on your enemies defenses and production.
That is the exact, explicit reason given by CCP - to prevent enemies from gaining knowledge unfairly. The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it. See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread |
Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.21 09:43:00 -
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Another reason is probably resources? I'm assuming the test server doesn't have the same hardware muscle behind it that the production servers has, and copying all the POS and other infrastructure would put a lot of extra load on the test server that in most cases would not be used. |
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Izuru Hishido
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Violent Society
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:57:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ?
It already transfers ships/fits and other related nonsense, why can't it transfer POS stuff, i just like to test manufacturing things, and all these new Mirrors is not making it easy...
Why did CCP create this latest Mirror when clearly they were not scheduled to do it for atleast another month or two?
So...it frees up all the moons for players to test on? I wouldn't be surprised if close to every moon in null and lowsec was claimed, even the worthless ones, so unless you feel like clearing everything yourself, its much easier just to do a database wipe.
Also, the reason the database wipe is done from mirror to mirror is precisely so that the developers don't have to keep track of the insignificant operations you might have been involved in. Oh yes, lets make gobs more work for the GM's and BH's by forcing them to micromanage every little operation that they possibly can, that sounds like a brilliant waste of their time. By the way, did I mention that your operations are insignificant compared to testing the impact of entire new lines of coding?
Singularity exists as a server for the developers to test expansions on. The reason mirrors happen, and the only reason is that CCP have something that they require a mirror to test. It isn't for the playerbase who just finished a rank 5 skill that they don't feel like training again, its for the devs.
Singularity exists for the developers.
Singularity exists for the developers.
Do you get it now? Singularity is only here for us as a toy, CCP is in no way obligated to maintain the free test server for player entertainment, its for them to work on making the next expansion deploy relatively smoothly.
Expansion work >>>>>>>>>> Your time and effort setting up towers.
Now quit bitching about it. Feel privileged that you're even allowed onto singularity in the first place. |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:59:00 -
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Izuru Hishido wrote:
Anger Anger Anger...blah blah, i like to be angry...blah
Well, i'm glad i helped you get your anger fix for the day...incase you hadn't noticed, the points had already been made, like last week.
You dug this up just to be angry at me, i feel privileged. Now, could you clarify, b/c i think i'm still a bit fuzzy, who created the test server? It was a player right? For players by players, yes? |
Jaiimez Skor
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:09:00 -
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Dalden V wrote:Another reason is probably resources? I'm assuming the test server doesn't have the same hardware muscle behind it that the production servers has, and copying all the POS and other infrastructure would put a lot of extra load on the test server that in most cases would not be used. Actually i've discussed this with CCP, Singularity runs on identicle servers to Tranquility, it is no different hardwarewise to TQ, it can handle whatever TQ can handle. The reason i've always been given was to avoid people spying on POS locations ect without risk of being as CCP would put it "shot in the face" |
Izuru Hishido
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Violent Society
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:17:00 -
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Jaiimez Skor wrote:Dalden V wrote:Another reason is probably resources? I'm assuming the test server doesn't have the same hardware muscle behind it that the production servers has, and copying all the POS and other infrastructure would put a lot of extra load on the test server that in most cases would not be used. Actually i've discussed this with CCP, Singularity runs on identicle servers to Tranquility, it is no different hardwarewise to TQ, it can handle whatever TQ can handle. The reason i've always been given was to avoid people spying on POS locations ect without risk of being as CCP would put it "shot in the face"
Actually, that isn't necessarily true. Singularity is only run off a very sparing number of nodes and it creates a huge amount of strain. When I spoke to Oneiromancer years ago about why towers were removed (as I ran quite a few back then,) Oneiromancer told me that it was stress on the server and I just shrugged and accepted it. It might be a bit of both, though, but anyone with a cloaky, nullified tengu or loki could easily probe out hostile towers on TQ and not worry about a thing, so I'm thinking its the combination of both, eradicating thousands of towers while at the same time freeing up moons for testing and preventing armchair covert ops.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:CCP Habakuk wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ? To avoid spying. It would be much too easy to spy on your enemies defenses and production. Dang, I woulda never thought of that ! Maybe it's the wrong game for me, or I'm doing it wrong ! All the moon minerals are also randomized on SiSi for the very same reason, can't have you sniff out all the Tech moons in peace. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Izuru Hishido
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Violent Society
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:37:00 -
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The issue with that, Mashie, is that anyone who keeps track of things like where the R64 moons are already knows where they are and the entire measure of changing moon goo is virtually moribund. |
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:18:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:So, why can't it then transfer POS related stuff over from TQ?
It already transfers ships/fits and other related nonsense, why can't it transfer POS stuff, i just like to test manufacturing things, and all these new Mirrors is not making it easy...
Why did CCP create this latest Mirror when clearly they were not scheduled to do it for atleast another month or two?
The reason it doesn't transfer stuff like POS / Stations is because well, a few of us *ahem* used to perhaps use it for metagame means, which is much easier given obviously we're not playing on both servers at the same time.
SiSi is there purely for testing out new features, stress / statistic testing or practising fleets (which will happen far more often with the Alliance Tournament a few months away)
Unless they have changed it, not tested out industrial aspects for a very long time... anything you setup will stay around for a week or a month before SiSi gets wiped. Should be more than enough time to test out anything you want to, especially with everything seeded at 100isk. |
Izonn Gaight
Cap-able Industries Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:12:00 -
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I don't often play on Singularity. But when I do, I prefer a recent mirror.
Who wants to manage separate skill plans on the test server? |
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