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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:28:00 -
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Reading the E-ON 14 we'll get 5 racial ship components with a skill attached to it the better the skill the better your ship component functions.
The ships will be cruiser sized so it's safe to assume that in order to learn the racial component skills you'll need to meet t2 cruiser requirements. T2 cruisers are specialized ships that require a second skill next to cruiser 5. I'm going to assume that the pre-req for the hull components will be cruiser V.
Cruiser V is approx. 30 days training.
If the 5 racial hull skills are going to be rank 1 then it will be 35 days of training on top of that.
If the 5 racial hull skills are going to be rank 2 then it will be 70 days of training on top of that.
If the 5 racial hull skills are going to be rank 5 then it will be 140 days of training on top of that.
etc. etc.
Given that HAC and logistics are rank 6 skills and battleship rank 8 skills, logic would assume that the racial hull skills are going to be rank 7 skills (approx. 195 days to lvl 5 them).
Orrrr 30 + 195 / 30 = 7.5 months of training just to be maxed at using the hulls.
An average eve player stays with eve for 7 months. Also it's safe to assume the hulls will be pre-nerfed to hell and only be usefull once you've lvl 5-ed the usage skills.
Yes, it's all assumptions based on the E-ON info provided but jeah well...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/01/2009 11:32:49
*looks at skill list*
I don't see a problem 
Seriously speaking though, no player should go even close to T2 within first 6 months, let alone T3. For their own good. |
the Entity
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:34:00 -
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well im all set 
how bout u guys?  |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: DrAtomic on 13/01/2009 11:42:31
The issue I have with it is that realisticly it will boil down to 2 years of playing eve to be able to fly tech 3 somewhat and prolly 3 years to be good at it.
Edit: no issue for me I'm all set, and so will most old players be. I'm just worried it will further the gap between new players and old players to the extend that it will not be possible to train your own character up anymore. So new player stragegies will boil down to create character grind billions of isk and use that to buy an usefull character. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:44:00 -
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It takes, i know, WoW comparison...almost a year to be "effective" at 80, hell, casual playing will take a year to GET to 80 in WoW.
MMO takes time.
T3 in EVE will be the "end goal" of sorts, ship wise.
It's only fair it takes time to get there, least it be worthless. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:45:00 -
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I thought t3 was just the embodiment of throwaway cheap t1 setups with out the t1?
You mean they are actually making it BETTER than t2?
Thats a mistake. |
Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:49:00 -
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30 Days for cruiser 5 >.>
<.<
I can have BS V in less then that ( 29 days :D )
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Polectic
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:50:00 -
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Well its time for CCP to implement those neat "Elite" skill implant set. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Hurricane Carter
30 Days for cruiser 5 >.>
<.<
I can have BS V in less then that ( 29 days :D )
It may possibly take 30 days to train Cruiser V from scratch. |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hurricane Carter
30 Days for cruiser 5 >.>
<.<
I can have BS V in less then that ( 29 days :D )
Count the pre-reqs on top of it. BS V takes 53 days including pre-reqs. |
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Drachma Golea
Caldari
hunter killers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:08:00 -
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Only cruiser sized? bummer  |
ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hurricane Carter
30 Days for cruiser 5 >.>
<.<
I can have BS V in less then that ( 29 days :D )
nub, takes my alt 28 days |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Hurricane Carter
30 Days for cruiser 5 >.>
<.<
I can have BS V in less then that ( 29 days :D )
nub, takes my alt 28 days
Nub, thats from lvl 4 to lvl 5 the 23~25 days prior to that don't count?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:39:00 -
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No one is forcing you to skill everything to lvl 5...
Unless it is a prereq, i barely ever go further than lvl 4 for any skill.
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
No one is forcing you to skill everything to lvl 5...
Unless it is a prereq, i barely ever go further than lvl 4 for any skill.
and thats why your in paxton. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/01/2009 13:01:11
Well I would sure hope they were skill based. And if you make all your content attainable to a player within the seven average months they stay with your game you're doing something really friggin wrong, especially in a game where all skills are time-based. Not having very long-term goals for very long-term players is just short-sighted and lame, no two ways about it. There's an awful long list of things that someone can do in seven months anyway, but don't add a potentially game-changing feature like T3 to that list please. |
ghost st
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Posted - 2009.01.13 13:12:00 -
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I sure hope t3 is skill based, with new skills and all that. Ill be coming on 3 years here in a few months, and im wanting teh new skills to unlock some new toys, rather than just slightly improving my old toys =p
I also hope CCP decides to keep the R&D ingame for this one, i really see no point in having to peice all these ships together if you can just spend a night on eft working things out. Make it so that 'industrial' corps have something to do besides watch lab timers, and stare at roids. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 13/01/2009 13:14:14
Yes? So? Lvl V always costs more than it's really worth.
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Also it's safe to assume the hulls will […] only be usefull once you've lvl 5-ed the usage skills.
Not really, no. If they're pre-nerfed, they'll suck from lvl I through lvl V. Nowhere in EVE is that last skill the critical threshold to make some piece of equipment useful, except as prerequisite to get to use the piece at all. Unless they went nuts and added exponential level bonuses, I don't see anything safe about this assumption. |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 13:31:00 -
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I don't think it will be only Racial hulls. I think T3 will have much larger variety of skills affecting a "hull module" for example.
let's imagine a "dronehull with missiles"
Gallente Cruiser V
Mehanic V
Drones V
Caldari Cruiser V
Shield operation V
Missiles V
Gallentean Starship Engineering V
Caldari Starship Engineering V
Perhaps drone and missile manufacturing skills V
Industrial V
etc.
Stop whining. |
Sovarin
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic
An average eve player stays with eve for 7 months.
Only the ones that then go back to play WoW.
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nemmes
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2009.01.13 14:54:00 -
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You might be pleasantly surprised about T3. I dont think it will be anything like anyone is expecting.
"Take me up in the arms of fate, with the strength of conviction and the hope of dreams" |
sasha baby
5th Front enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:04:00 -
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i feel so special then if the average is 7 months.
being playing since sept 2003
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sovarin
Originally by: DrAtomic
An average eve player stays with eve for 7 months.
Only the ones that then go back to play WoW.
That is why he said the AVERAGE player.
Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
It takes, i know, WoW comparison...almost a year to be "effective" at 80, hell, casual playing will take a year to GET to 80 in WoW.
MMO takes time.
T3 in EVE will be the "end goal" of sorts, ship wise.
It's only fair it takes time to get there, least it be worthless.
Not only that, but at least in Eve-Online your guaranteed to get there over time, unlike the majority of other MMO's if you cant login and play X amount of hours per day you will NOT get to end game period! And dont even get me started on folks that NEVER get the chance to participate in large raids in order to have that so called 'ellite' gear that the casual player WILL NEVER get, unlike Eve-Online which allows EVERYONE equal opportunity!!
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Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mordekai Bloodwake on 13/01/2009 15:25:13
Originally by: DrAtomic
(.....)
Also it's safe to [ass](u)[me] the hulls will be pre-nerfed to hell and only be usefull once you've lvl 5-ed the usage skills.
Yes, it's all assumptions based on the E-ON info provided but jeah well...
Its been stated many times, there are diminishing returns when training to level 5 i.e. time versus gain. Good thing its just an ASSumption based on YOUR behalf! 
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Haywoode Jablome
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:53:00 -
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Wonder when they will put it up on SISI for testing... |
kor anon
Amarr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:14:00 -
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yay cruiser sized \o/
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic
The ships will be cruiser sized
Each of the modules, you mean ?
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Mish'Kala
Minmatar
Atomic Heroes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:23:00 -
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Poasting in a DrAtomic Thread.
o/ Hi DA
Mish
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: sasha baby
i feel so special then if the average is 7 months.
being playing since sept 2003
but then again, why should the average player have access to the most advanced spaceship technology in the universe?
...although i wouldn't be at all surprised if the t3 skills' primary attrib was Charisma.
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