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Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:56:00 - [1] I think most of us here can agree that EVE is one of the best games we own... I was just wondering then, why are the forums so pitifull? They have been since beta... Very slow, no search function... Most of the corporation websites I've visited are of much higher quality... ( I know many more people visit this website, but hey, the corps are not getting paid money by it's usesrs like CCP is..) Should we as subscribers have a nice speedy searchable forum as part of our monthly fee, abscent of the MOD SQUAD'S harsh censorship? Or is it just me who thinks this way? I've been to a lot of game websites, this one ranks at the bottom as far as performance is concerned... The content is great, but the layout, speed & forum moderation is poor at best... I'd pay a dollar more per month to get a real game forum... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:56:00 - [2] I think most of us here can agree that EVE is one of the best games we own... I was just wondering then, why are the forums so pitifull? They have been since beta... Very slow, no search function... Most of the corporation websites I've visited are of much higher quality... ( I know many more people visit this website, but hey, the corps are not getting paid money by it's usesrs like CCP is..) Should we as subscribers have a nice speedy searchable forum as part of our monthly fee, abscent of the MOD SQUAD'S harsh censorship? Or is it just me who thinks this way? I've been to a lot of game websites, this one ranks at the bottom as far as performance is concerned... The content is great, but the layout, speed & forum moderation is poor at best... I'd pay a dollar more per month to get a real game forum... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Garrack	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 - [3] Well I can't say I'd pay much more, but even some freeware forums have the features you suggest. Also watched posts would be nice.
Garrack	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 - [4] Well I can't say I'd pay much more, but even some freeware forums have the features you suggest. Also watched posts would be nice.
Kyle Kador	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:16:00 - [5] Edited by: Kyle Kador on 26/07/2004 17:17:19 Im no expert but apart wishing there was a search tool i think these forums are on par if not better then any other actual game official forum ive seen
Kyle Kador	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Kyle Kador on 26/07/2004 17:17:19 Im no expert but apart wishing there was a search tool i think these forums are on par if not better then any other actual game official forum ive seen
Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:20:00 - [7] "Im no expert but apart wishing there was a search tool i think these forums are on par if not better then any other actual game official forum ive seen" The layout is good, the content is great, but the speed is very poor, way too slow... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:20:00 - [8] "Im no expert but apart wishing there was a search tool i think these forums are on par if not better then any other actual game official forum ive seen" The layout is good, the content is great, but the speed is very poor, way too slow... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:35:00 - [9] While the design is nice, not offensive to the eye, the speed is rather sluggish to say the least. Search would be nice, as would a pm service, but i realise that can take up quite a bit of room
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:35:00 - [10] While the design is nice, not offensive to the eye, the speed is rather sluggish to say the least. Search would be nice, as would a pm service, but i realise that can take up quite a bit of room
Orestes	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:43:00 - [11] Speed is an issue for me too. A search function would be good, but there seem to be some problems with that. It's not as easy to put in as we might think. Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:43:00 - [12] Speed is an issue for me too. A search function would be good, but there seem to be some problems with that. It's not as easy to put in as we might think. Join the IC!
Hakera	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:50:00 - [13] Im sure t20 could gives us the stats, but I doubt many corporate forums have hundreds of users accessing them every minute. Site functions such as search engines are easy to put in but very resource intensive. Its not that they cannot put them in, but cpu and bw load probably prevents them from doing so. On a site note, t20 - can you move the Eve library forum please to below the Intergalactic Summit forum - ta! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:50:00 - [14] Im sure t20 could gives us the stats, but I doubt many corporate forums have hundreds of users accessing them every minute. Site functions such as search engines are easy to put in but very resource intensive. Its not that they cannot put them in, but cpu and bw load probably prevents them from doing so. On a site note, t20 - can you move the Eve library forum please to below the Intergalactic Summit forum - ta! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:53:00 - [15] Quote: Speed is an issue for me too. A search function would be good, but there seem to be some problems with that. It's not as easy to put in as we might think. As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Mc Gyver	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:53:00 - [16] Quote: Speed is an issue for me too. A search function would be good, but there seem to be some problems with that. It's not as easy to put in as we might think. As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... I mine rocks... Don't touch my rocks...
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:55:00 - [17] wouldn't a phpbb forum layout just work better? _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:55:00 - [18] wouldn't a phpbb forum layout just work better? _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Orestes	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Mc Gyver As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... It's probably a database thing, on both accounts. I hear that the database is rather complicated, hence the (erratic) speed issues and lack of search engine Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Mc Gyver As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... It's probably a database thing, on both accounts. I hear that the database is rather complicated, hence the (erratic) speed issues and lack of search engine Join the IC!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:10:00 - [21] I love them forums. Work fine for me _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:10:00 - [22] I love them forums. Work fine for me _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Mc Gyver And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... Adding a search function on a big active forum like this which will prolly be used a lot could really slow the server down. Something we dont need no? And using google works fine at the moment. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Mc Gyver And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... Adding a search function on a big active forum like this which will prolly be used a lot could really slow the server down. Something we dont need no? And using google works fine at the moment. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
flummox	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:45:00 - [25] Edited by: flummox on 26/07/2004 20:47:03 yeah. aside from being tied into the actual game-server and the lack of a search function, i think the forums are a great tool. i just have certain issues with the way the forums are used... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:45:00 - [26] Edited by: flummox on 26/07/2004 20:47:03 yeah. aside from being tied into the actual game-server and the lack of a search function, i think the forums are a great tool. i just have certain issues with the way the forums are used... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:42:00 - [27] It annoys me that the site doesn't remember that you're logged in properly unless you click on the EVE Insider link and then it brings you in. Also the lack of a search function is really weird, and there's plenty of forums out there that dwarf this one in terms of users and posts that have them so I don't quite follow the argument against them. On the plus side it looks great (as does EVE as a whole) and has some *****ing content. I also don't personally find it slow - I'd rate it averagish on that score, but I guess different people have different tolerance levels. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:42:00 - [28] It annoys me that the site doesn't remember that you're logged in properly unless you click on the EVE Insider link and then it brings you in. Also the lack of a search function is really weird, and there's plenty of forums out there that dwarf this one in terms of users and posts that have them so I don't quite follow the argument against them. On the plus side it looks great (as does EVE as a whole) and has some *****ing content. I also don't personally find it slow - I'd rate it averagish on that score, but I guess different people have different tolerance levels. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Selim	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:53:00 - [29] For some reason I have to click twice to post.
Selim	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:53:00 - [30] For some reason I have to click twice to post.
Bedrock	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:06:00 - [31] This forum is quite unique. It shows our actual character avatar, race name, and corp name. I too get speed issues at times (especially during downtime) I believe the problem is that the forum is tied too much to the overall character database (correct me if i'm wrong). So it constantly retrieves information there thus slowing down its performance. I really wish I knew. But yea, speed is an issue for me many times throughout the day. danny~! ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
Bedrock	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:06:00 - [32] This forum is quite unique. It shows our actual character avatar, race name, and corp name. I too get speed issues at times (especially during downtime) I believe the problem is that the forum is tied too much to the overall character database (correct me if i'm wrong). So it constantly retrieves information there thus slowing down its performance. I really wish I knew. But yea, speed is an issue for me many times throughout the day. danny~! ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:54:00 - [33] Joshua Calvert came up with this method of searching, better than nothing: Go to google.com and type this line in the search box: site: myeve.eve-online.com: xxxxxxx Where'xxxxxx' is what you are searching for. Once again, props to Josh for that one --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.26 23:54:00 - [34] Joshua Calvert came up with this method of searching, better than nothing: Go to google.com and type this line in the search box: site: myeve.eve-online.com: xxxxxxx Where'xxxxxx' is what you are searching for. Once again, props to Josh for that one --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Wompus	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:26:00 - [35] for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. MSIE user can search using the google toolbar. You can choose to search "Current Site." That way you don't even have to leave the forums. hope this helps. Better to live 1Hr as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm
Wompus	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:26:00 - [36] for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. MSIE user can search using the google toolbar. You can choose to search "Current Site." That way you don't even have to leave the forums. hope this helps. Better to live 1Hr as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:34:00 - [37] Orestes - so you take an index of topics for the search each day at DT, no? Sure it creates high forum lag for several minutes, that's why you'd do it at DT. There are ways and means and some boards out there already use em. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:34:00 - [38] Orestes - so you take an index of topics for the search each day at DT, no? Sure it creates high forum lag for several minutes, that's why you'd do it at DT. There are ways and means and some boards out there already use em. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
RagnarH	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:41:00 - [39] Dont make the forums faster.....then Joshua Calvert will make like....50 posts...per min This char is perm banned on forums :S
RagnarH	Posted - 2004.07.27 00:41:00 - [40] Dont make the forums faster.....then Joshua Calvert will make like....50 posts...per min This char is perm banned on forums :S
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Mc Gyver As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... The problem is that since the forums are on the gameservers a search function might slow down the game itself, not the character stats. All I know is that t20 was working on a search function but there were problems with it, I don't know what the problems were exactly. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Mc Gyver As far as the speed is concerned, if it meant taking away the ability to view your character stats online to get more speed, plz do it! And as far as the searh function being "hard" This is probably the first game website I've been to that does not have one... The problem is that since the forums are on the gameservers a search function might slow down the game itself, not the character stats. All I know is that t20 was working on a search function but there were problems with it, I don't know what the problems were exactly. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:48:00 - [43] technically the forums are fine imo the problem is the content, the reactionary flamage, and the silly profanity-****-filter... ....
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:48:00 - [44] technically the forums are fine imo the problem is the content, the reactionary flamage, and the silly profanity-****-filter... ....
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:58:00 - [45] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/07/2004 14:45:07 It just took over 3 minutes for me to be able to reply to this thread due to loading time, that is about 2 min & 50 seconds too long... That is the technical problem... Maybe the Forums should not be on the game server, I have no need to see the ugly mugs of those I'm insulting or flaming... Seeing your character stats & such is cute, but if that is the reason we don't have a search function, and the forums take forever to load, than it was not smart to put the forums on the game server... Fix it... We can get all the information in-game that we can here, no need to have it slow down the forums IMO... I also have a big problem with ISD, but I don't forsee a major change in forum moderation anytime soon... The profanity filter should go as well... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:58:00 - [46] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/07/2004 14:45:07 It just took over 3 minutes for me to be able to reply to this thread due to loading time, that is about 2 min & 50 seconds too long... That is the technical problem... Maybe the Forums should not be on the game server, I have no need to see the ugly mugs of those I'm insulting or flaming... Seeing your character stats & such is cute, but if that is the reason we don't have a search function, and the forums take forever to load, than it was not smart to put the forums on the game server... Fix it... We can get all the information in-game that we can here, no need to have it slow down the forums IMO... I also have a big problem with ISD, but I don't forsee a major change in forum moderation anytime soon... The profanity filter should go as well... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Kyle Kador	Posted - 2004.07.27 13:57:00 - [47] Im a bit confused i see all these people moaning about moderators profanity filter etc maybe i just hang out in the wrong forums but i cant remember ever seeing a game companys forums that allow swearing and most ive seen are moderated for flaming etc
Kyle Kador	Posted - 2004.07.27 13:57:00 - [48] Im a bit confused i see all these people moaning about moderators profanity filter etc maybe i just hang out in the wrong forums but i cant remember ever seeing a game companys forums that allow swearing and most ive seen are moderated for flaming etc
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:17:00 - [49] Neocron's forum uses vb3 tied into account management so only people with active accounts can post. It's moderators are annoying, but nowhere near the level of eve I'm afraid. Things I'd like: Cut the stupidly long sigs that contains a graphic and 4 or 5 quotes underneath it. Search function. Proper control panel with such things as PM's and subscribing to threads. Better profanity filter. Less threads being deleted with no message, and no sign they ever existed.
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:17:00 - [50] Neocron's forum uses vb3 tied into account management so only people with active accounts can post. It's moderators are annoying, but nowhere near the level of eve I'm afraid. Things I'd like: Cut the stupidly long sigs that contains a graphic and 4 or 5 quotes underneath it. Search function. Proper control panel with such things as PM's and subscribing to threads. Better profanity filter. Less threads being deleted with no message, and no sign they ever existed.
kieron	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Hakera <snip> Site functions such as search engines are easy to put in but very resource intensive. Its not that they cannot put them in, but cpu and bw load probably prevents them from doing so. This is a question that comes up from time to time. Currently, the game and forums are hosted by the same server bank. As a search feature is somewhat resource intensive, this would cause an increase in, you guessed it, lag in the game. The web and server staff do have plans to impliment a search feature on the forums, but the forums need to be taken off of the current servers for obvious reasons. When I asked t20 about this in the past, there were plans being made do to so and yet maintain the ability to look at character sheets, have the portraits next to forum posts, etc. This is something that is going to happen after Shiva at the earliest. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
kieron	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Hakera <snip> Site functions such as search engines are easy to put in but very resource intensive. Its not that they cannot put them in, but cpu and bw load probably prevents them from doing so. This is a question that comes up from time to time. Currently, the game and forums are hosted by the same server bank. As a search feature is somewhat resource intensive, this would cause an increase in, you guessed it, lag in the game. The web and server staff do have plans to impliment a search feature on the forums, but the forums need to be taken off of the current servers for obvious reasons. When I asked t20 about this in the past, there were plans being made do to so and yet maintain the ability to look at character sheets, have the portraits next to forum posts, etc. This is something that is going to happen after Shiva at the earliest. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:09:00 - [53] you could probably set up a server for an independent forum that grabs character image data daily from Tranquillity in about 30 minutes. The character info can stillbe on the same server. ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:09:00 - [54] you could probably set up a server for an independent forum that grabs character image data daily from Tranquillity in about 30 minutes. The character info can stillbe on the same server. ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
Riddari	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:11:00 - [55] Originally by: Wompus for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. Oh! Very nice! ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Wompus for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. Oh! Very nice! ¼©¼ a history
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:17:00 - [57] One more reason to ditch IE ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:17:00 - [58] One more reason to ditch IE ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
Reptar	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Wompus for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. MSIE user can search using the google toolbar. You can choose to search "Current Site." That way you don't even have to leave the forums. hope this helps. omg thats great
Reptar	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Wompus for all you Firefox(mozilla?) users go here to add a search toolbar to your browser. MSIE user can search using the google toolbar. You can choose to search "Current Site." That way you don't even have to leave the forums. hope this helps. omg thats great
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:32:00 - [61] ok, now that just blatantly points out my laziness in reading posts... Doh! ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."
Da3sd3mona	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:32:00 - [62] ok, now that just blatantly points out my laziness in reading posts... Doh! ----------------------------------- "Political Correctness, the illegitimate step-child of liberalism, is cultlike in its establishment of correct speech. This is what cults do...they prohibit certain words and discussion of certain topics."

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