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Dani SP
Caldari
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.13 14:58:00 -
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First of all, this is not a troll topic, nor a flaming one. Just wanted to share my personal thoughts about character planning software.
English is not my mother tongue, so sorry about that too :)
In my opinion, EveMon is a great utility. Problem is, it makes everything for you. Isn't it more interesting to plan your way by yourself? Sure, you will probably make mistakes but hey, it's part of the learning process. At least, those are YOUR own mistakes, not the software ones.
Then, software planners would never be perfect. Or even better, human's interpretation is even worse. i.e. many people think that learning skills should be trained only when Evemon tells them to do so. WTF? That's a bad understanding. In your Eve-Online "life" you will be training loads of things, not just the ones you plan for next month. So, these learning skills should be trained at first.
And we could go on. Seriously, using your own brain is more satisfactory. Even if you are managing 3 or more characters, it will be exciting to organize them all by yourself. This exercise will train your real life memory, willpower, intelligence... and when you reach your goals, you will be proud of having got them all by your own merits, not because of some piece of software telling you what to do :)
just my 0.02ISK  |
Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:00:00 -
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That's the nice thing about optional, 3rd party tools.
They're optional.
Some people use EVE-MON for training plans, some use it simply to monitor training times out of game, and some don't use it at all.
Whatever floats your boat, really. |
Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ranik Sandaris on 13/01/2009 15:02:06
Interesting points. I have never used EVE mon personally, but will be doing so soon, it will keep me to a more rigid schedule, and save me from the "OOO SHINEY NEW SKILL BOOK MUST TRAIN" disease i suffer from. |
sasha baby
5th Front enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:04:00 -
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good for you |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:06:00 -
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I actually like to use a calculator for fitting, calculate cap uses, test things in my head, plan my skills with the notepad...all ingame.
I prefer to use the tools of the game for everything i do, kind of, purist that way.
Try calculating the maximum repair output of a guardian with just the calculator and no notepad and you'll have a blast  |
Price McChecker
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Price McChecker on 13/01/2009 15:11:24
You still need the same level of brain power; you just need to put in much less effort when using it.
(Note, I'm assuming that it requires a miniscule portion of your brain to do the following: read data, copy out formulae, plug data into formulae, poke calculator, use pen to write down result... if it requires more than that, then you're brain is faulty. Ask providence for a refund.)
The decisions you have to make, and information you have available to you are the same regardless of the tool you are using. However, Evemon (and tools like EFT) provide you with that info MUCH faster, and in a considerably more convenient format.
Ultimately, you've still got the same game to play once you've done... but you could be done in 5 minutes, with no fuss, or half an hour, with notepads of paper cluttering your desk; its your choice! |
Par'Gellen
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:11:00 -
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I only use Eve-mon to tell me when my current skill is going to finish and to force my windowed clients to fill the screen like fullscreen. I've played with some of the other features but they don't make a whole lot of sense to me. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:17:00 -
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Does everything for you? You mean, tells you what time each skill you've added to your planned list will complete? Uh. sure.
Anyway, I'm glad you're so hard core. You get a brownie. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:33:00 -
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Luckily one doesn't have to use it.
/me sets about thinking about something irrelevant to post that nobody else gives more than zero rat's turds about. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Try calculating the maximum repair output of a guardian with just the calculator and no notepad and you'll have a blast
Yeah I like to save on docking fees so I get out and throw a rope around some pointy bit on the hull and heave ho it into its bay. |
Hot Tubes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:46:00 -
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And evemon doesn't like you either |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: sasha baby
good for you
I thought the exact same as I saw the thread :P |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I actually like to use a calculator for fitting
this is cheating and metagaming.
i don't even calculate these things, because it ruins the game and takes all the challenge out of it for me. i fit random modules from my hanger and have passive mods hidden so i have no idea what i'm flying. gives eve it's edge for me.
anything else is just for script kiddies and glue sniffers. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:09:00 -
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Phsaw... I don't even fit any modules at all nor log into EVE... I just PvP with everybody else in my mind and calculate the results, announcing how many newbies I just pwned !
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I actually like to use a calculator for fitting
this is cheating and metagaming.
i don't even calculate these things, because it ruins the game and takes all the challenge out of it for me. i fit random modules from my hanger and have passive mods hidden so i have no idea what i'm flying. gives eve it's edge for me.
anything else is just for script kiddies and glue sniffers.
Judging by some of the comedic killmails posted latey, you're not alone. |
Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:12:00 -
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EVEMON is great for when you are listening to music or fleet comms and your EVE sound is turned off and SKILL TRAINING COMPLETE deafens everyone in a 4 block radius of your computer. |
Writ Insand
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:26:00 -
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Yeah...that's why I stopped playing Eve. Does everything for you. Nothing wrong with that - it's fine for the peasants.
Now I only simulate internet spaceships in my head. I got each of my five titans using my own real-life intelligence and imagination, not because a piece of software told me I got them. Much more satisfying. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/01/2009 16:27:01
Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I actually like to use a calculator for fitting
this is cheating and metagaming.
i don't even calculate these things, because it ruins the game and takes all the challenge out of it for me. i fit random modules from my hanger and have passive mods hidden so i have no idea what i'm flying. gives eve it's edge for me.
anything else is just for script kiddies and glue sniffers.
Well, i also play with my monitor OFF! Nyah!  |
Eran Laude
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:30:00 -
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I tried to use EVE-mon on my first char, and I have so many things I wanted to do in EVE that it was simply depressing every time I logged into EVE-mon and saw "1000d til skill plan completion".
I use it now as a tool for monitoring how long it would take me to learn to fly certain ship setups, or to finish training for a particular profession or skill area. I don't plan it anymore. |
Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:43:00 -
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What nonsense you preach.
Because I use eve-mon, I can focus on other things more. It's what you want your mind to do. Otherwise stop using EVERYTHING you take for granted and think about it all! You will never be able too, so that's where eve-mon helps you to save time on such boring things, to do more exciting things... |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:02:00 -
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If you say, "I want to use ship X and module Y!" and train up only the prereqs for those items, you're going to suck. Evemon helps you plan skills but if you let it do the whole job for you you'll end up substantially less than optimal.
... and I can never stick with a skill plan anyway. I like Evemon because it screams "SKILL TRAINING COMPLETED!!!!!!" at me in the middle of the night for the odd times I forget.
I also like its item database. Looking up stats on random items is much easier (and more comprehensive) in EFT than in Evemon. |
TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:05:00 -
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When I was on holiday with family I worked out a skillplan, and resistences I got on ship setups because I was being driven around for 6 hours a day.
However now I am home, I have much better things to do. |
Wolfae
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:12:00 -
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I agree, plus the damn voice saying "Skill Training Complete" while I'm in the middle of something else scares the living daylights out of me for some reason... |
Spurty
Caldari
Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:16:00 -
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EVEMON sends me a text message 30mins before a skill finishes, apart from that I use to look up ship stats off line.
Kudos to the devs of it!
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Marl Xun
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
anything else is just for script kiddies and glue sniffers.
*sniff-sniff*
...
What?
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
I only use Eve-mon to tell me when my current skill is going to finish and to force my windowed clients to fill the screen like fullscreen. I've played with some of the other features but they don't make a whole lot of sense to me.
HOT DAMN, I never knew it could let my windows fill the screen ... awesome :p
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:54:00 -
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there is a LOT of stuff I can do in my head, but it's just not worth expending the thought-power when there are tools to do it for you.
for example, i could do my taxes without a piece of software or an advisor, but really, how does doing that help me? |
LastRebel
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dani SP
First of all, this is not a troll topic, nor a flaming one.
Neither is this, but I'm going to disagree with pretty much everything you said
Originally by: Dani SP
In my opinion, EveMon is a great utility. Problem is, it makes everything for you. Isn't it more interesting to plan your way by yourself?
No, I'm lazy and would rather use a 3rd party program to do this for me
Originally by: Dani SP
...many people think that learning skills should be trained only when Evemon tells them to do so. WTF? That's a bad understanding. In your Eve-Online "life" you will be training loads of things, not just the ones you plan for next month. So, these learning skills should be trained at first.
Not really, using EVEMon's skill plans you only need to train the skillbooks it tells you to get to what you want (your end result ship/weapon/module) as quickly as possible - no wasting SP. In short, its ultimate efficiency
Originally by: Dani SP
And we could go on. Seriously, using your own brain is more satisfactory.
Again - no. I'm lazy
You know, nobody is forcing you to use EVEMon, EFT, etc - right? For me, personally I love both programs as they are far more efficient, faster and accurate at doing what they do that I could ever be.
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: sasha baby
good for you
I want to add my vote of thanks. To the OP, my life was so empty and baron before you added your information to these boards. I am forever yours. |
Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:36:00 -
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That's great, as soon as i pull a cookie out of my ass, you can haz it. |
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