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Aceoil Eyes of the Night B.L.A.C.K.	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:17:00 - [1] Since GTC prices are now hitting 700 million. I have given up on GTC's. I can no longer afford to spend the time grinding ISK to pay for GTC's. My next 2 payments on my main and alt account will be paid with credit card cash. Its just not worth it anymore. I will also be letting my 3rd alt account expire. Since I cannot nor do I want to pay for a 3rd account. It was feasible with GTC's when they were 500 million. And that was even extremly high. Is this the plan CCP saw when they implemented 60 day GTC's? Money talks.
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Aceoil Since GTC prices are now hitting 700 million. I have given up on GTC's. I can no longer afford to spend the time grinding ISK to pay for GTC's. My next 2 payments on my main and alt account will be paid with credit card cash. Its just not worth it anymore. I will also be letting my 3rd alt account expire. Since I cannot nor do I want to pay for a 3rd account. It was feasible with GTC's when they were 500 million. And that was even extremly high. Is this the plan CCP saw when they implemented 60 day GTC's? Money talks. Really? 700 Million ISK? checks GTC trading forums Well, between 650 and 700, with one guy trying to sell one for 999 Million snort SWEET! I'm gonna sell me a GTC! checks wallet, moths fly out of empty wallet Darn. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Aceoil Is this the plan CCP saw when they implemented 60 day GTC's? Yes. It was all a plot by CCP to get you down to two accounts. I thought it was a little convoluted, but apparently it worked. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Aceoil Is this the plan CCP saw when they implemented 60 day GTC's? Money talks. Probably not the plan. Also, the exchange rates, the financial shenanigans, people prioritising spending. All mean cutbacks on luxuries. And buying GTC to sell for isk is a luxury. So lower supply for GTCs. And possibly higher demand, as people look into avoiding paying cash for the game. Yes. Yes, I am.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Aceoil I have three accounts in an MMO. Good. The closer we get to 1 player = 1 account the better off we will be. --------------------
permion	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:23:00 - [6] It's a matter of demand. And a supply that doesn't follow it in a 1 to 1 ratio.
The AEther	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:24:00 - [7] They wanted to get more people paying them directly instead of using GTCs, which is exactly what you are planning on doing.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:24:00 - [8] I don't know CCPs plans, but is there a problem? GTCs obviously get sold, so why not ask for as much as you can get? If you won't buy, others will or the prices start coming down.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:26:00 - [9] wow, 7 replies and not 1 imbecile asking to haz stuffz. Maybe they all died. We can hope. The Ghost-training vote thread
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Gunnanmon wow, 7 replies and not 1 imbecile asking to haz stuffz. Maybe they all died. We can hope. Well obviously there is no stuff to be haz or he would have sold it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan

Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:31:00 - [11] You didn't want that 3rd account anyway? -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Cors It's A Trap White Core	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:34:00 - [12] The thing is each player who wants to play for "Free" needs to balance the time it takes to make isk in game with the time it takes in RL to make the 15$US to pay for the game. For most folks it's between an hour and 3 hrs of time at work to pay for EVE(Depending on how much you make at your job). Now, how long it takes someone to make 350 Million ISK/month in game varies drastically. Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Someone who's running missions/mineing will spend 10's of hours grinding to get it. At the end of the day, they have to balance hours of real life work with hours of in game work.
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:35:00 - [13] Edited by: Bish Ounen on 13/01/2009 18:35:09 Originally by: Gunnanmon wow, 7 replies and not 1 imbecile asking to haz stuffz. Maybe they all died. We can hope. Frankly, if his 3rd account can't afford a GTC, then his stuff isn't worth "haz"-ing as much as just selling a GTC. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:35:00 - [14] You could also buy the GTCs by using one of the more credible GTC suppliers OR put up a credit card subscription plan for one or maybe keep two rolling by GTCs? -god made me a cannibal to end problems like you-
Illioe	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Cors The thing is each player who wants to play for "Free" needs to balance the time it takes to make isk in game with the time it takes in RL to make the 15$US to pay for the game. For most folks it's between an hour and 3 hrs of time at work to pay for EVE(Depending on how much you make at your job). Now, how long it takes someone to make 350 Million ISK/month in game varies drastically. Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Someone who's running missions/mineing will spend 10's of hours grinding to get it. At the end of the day, they have to balance hours of real life work with hours of in game work. It's not just that, it's that some people simply don't have time to play enough to make enough to buy GTC, even if only breaking even. These same people are likely also not playing enough for it to be "worth it" to pay to play, hence GTC or nothing. When the GTCs cost more than they can make in their lited playtime, they'll just stop playing.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Cors The thing is each player who wants to play for "Free" needs to balance the time it takes to make isk in game with the time it takes in RL to make the 15$US to pay for the game. For most folks it's between an hour and 3 hrs of time at work to pay for EVE(Depending on how much you make at your job). Now, how long it takes someone to make 350 Million ISK/month in game varies drastically. Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Someone who's running missions/mineing will spend 10's of hours grinding to get it. At the end of the day, they have to balance hours of real life work with hours of in game work. that sums it up nicely. i realise that some people can't/don't have credit cards but the majority of people should be able to make a choice between in-game and RL-grinding. i'm lucky in that $15 a month (even multiple $15's a month) don't break my bank but i would have to seriously re-evaluate what i was doing with my time if i was grinding in-game to get the ISK to play \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Sieessenschwanz	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Aceoil Since GTC prices are now hitting 700 million. I have given up on GTC's. I can no longer afford to spend the time grinding ISK to pay for GTC's. My next 2 payments on my main and alt account will be paid with credit card cash. Its just not worth it anymore. I will also be letting my 3rd alt account expire. Since I cannot nor do I want to pay for a 3rd account. It was feasible with GTC's when they were 500 million. And that was even extremly high. Is this the plan CCP saw when they implemented 60 day GTC's? Money talks. Get a freaking job. A 30 day GTC costs less than a dinner out.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:44:00 - [18] Complaining about GTC prices because you can't afford a subscription at all and now you'll have to give up the game is one thing. Complaining about GTC prices because you can't afford to pay for multiple accounts with in-game currency is another. I mean, at a certain point everyone will break. But am I going to have pity for someone who is all "I am going to have to quit most of my accounts because I can't afford to pay for my other 98 accounts with ISK"...? Well, no. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:45:00 - [19] I still say that people should be lucky that CCP even has a program where you can pay for a subscription with in-game ISK. I also almost wish I had the time or wherewithal to grind the requisite amount of ISK each month to pay for such a service AND actually do something in-game other than said grinding. Originally by: nether void Originally by: Aceoil I have three accounts in an MMO. Good. The closer we get to 1 player = 1 account the better off we will be. Also this flamebait.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:46:00 - [20] it costs like 4 full meals 60D GTC - shattared link

Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Cors Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Heh. It would appear the myths of T2 BPO ownership haven't been completely dispelled yet.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Cors Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Heh. It would appear the myths of T2 BPO ownership haven't been completely dispelled yet. heh.. T2 BPO owners want peeps to think that their T2 BPO's are worthless, so peeps don't complain so BPOs don't get removed.. guess it's undertandable when you have a sort of monopoly..
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Cors The thing is each player who wants to play for "Free" needs to balance the time it takes to make isk in game with the time it takes in RL to make the 15$US to pay for the game. For most folks it's between an hour and 3 hrs of time at work to pay for EVE(Depending on how much you make at your job). Now, how long it takes someone to make 350 Million ISK/month in game varies drastically. Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Someone who's running missions/mineing will spend 10's of hours grinding to get it. At the end of the day, they have to balance hours of real life work with hours of in game work. Quoting someone who has no idea about how BPOs work.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Ko Shimin Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Cors Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Heh. It would appear the myths of T2 BPO ownership haven't been completely dispelled yet. heh.. T2 BPO owners want peeps to think that their T2 BPO's are worthless, so peeps don't complain so BPOs don't get removed.. guess it's undertandable when you have a sort of monopoly.. I'd love to see your analysis on how any BPO can net 350M/Hr.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ko Shimin Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Cors Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Heh. It would appear the myths of T2 BPO ownership haven't been completely dispelled yet. heh.. T2 BPO owners want peeps to think that their T2 BPO's are worthless, so peeps don't complain so BPOs don't get removed.. guess it's undertandable when you have a sort of monopoly.. I'd love to see your analysis on how any BPO can net 350M/Hr. Nah.. 350m per hour is lol.. but if that BPO had even the slightest ME research done, the owner can sell at a price that those using invented BPCs cannot match.. It's not 350m per hour, but I bet it is about 350m in 2 weeks or so..
Illioe	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ko Shimin Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Cors Someone with a good T2 BPO can pump that out with an hours work. Maybe less. Heh. It would appear the myths of T2 BPO ownership haven't been completely dispelled yet. heh.. T2 BPO owners want peeps to think that their T2 BPO's are worthless, so peeps don't complain so BPOs don't get removed.. guess it's undertandable when you have a sort of monopoly.. I'd love to see your analysis on how any BPO can net 350M/Hr. The point was 350 for an hour of work. An hour of play time (getting mats, setting up manufacturing, setting up sell orders/transport contracts, whatever) would net 350M over the course of a month: meaning that someone with that BPO only needs to play EVE for an hour a month to have enough isk to continue subscribing from GTCs. I don't think it was intended to mean they would make 3502430mil/month.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:34:00 - [27] GTC prices are a reflection of inflation in Eve. ISK is so easy to come by that people are just handing it out like it's candy. I'd like to see some info on the volume of GTCs sold now, as opposed to a year ago/six months ago, and compare that to the number of subscriptions etc. to see how many GTCs are being bought per capita etc.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Karrade Krise on 13/01/2009 19:39:03 Your 3rd account. I can has? EDIT Might sell myself some GTCs...
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis I'd love to see your analysis on how any BPO can net 350M/Hr. There are many T2 items where you can't reach the price by invention. T2 rockets? I tryed it with buyorders but even then I couldn't get close to where they are sold. -> BPO == win HACs? Most of em can't be build for the brice they are sold for just by invention. -> BPO == win In general you can say: Does this item excist before they removed lottery? - yes -> not worth invention as you can't compet with BPOs Does this item was brought after the lottery? - yes -> here you might be able to make profit Therefor it is enough not to need datacores each time and no need of luck while invention. This two points are even much more important then ME/PE of the BPO! And for all BPO owner who say: "my BPO isn't worth building" ... well, you might not get 100000 billion/month from it but you are still able to make profit. And for some people 100 mil/month ARE worth enough to work for! If 100 mil/month aren't worth your time ... well, I take your BPO with a kiss ;).
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Bellum Eternus GTC prices are a reflection of inflation in Eve. ISK is so easy to come by that people are just handing it out like it's candy. I'd like to see some info on the volume of GTCs sold now, as opposed to a year ago/six months ago, and compare that to the number of subscriptions etc. to see how many GTCs are being bought per capita etc. Which is why prices on everything in EVE are going up at the same rate. GTC prices have nothing to do with inflation. They have everything to do with the equilibrium of supply and demand curves, or basically they sell for what people are willing to pay for them.



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