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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryctor
Offical Statement on Legality of Ore thieving.
There you go sunshine.
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This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
This is what I'm saying. It's part of the game, and so is being declared war upon from taking something we have worked for.
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ryctor
Offical Statement on Legality of Ore thieving.
There you go sunshine.
Quote:
This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
This is what I'm saying. It's part of the game, and so is being declared war upon from taking something we have worked for.
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Rocius
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:53:00 -
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Wow that link seems to pretty much sum up that whole argument about ore thieves doesn't it. Seems like it is technicly not stealing after all. That being an offical response should end the debate then right? (yeah right)
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Rocius
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:53:00 -
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Wow that link seems to pretty much sum up that whole argument about ore thieves doesn't it. Seems like it is technicly not stealing after all. That being an offical response should end the debate then right? (yeah right)
Dont take your gaming too serious ! |
Mitawyn
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:54:00 -
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I don't like ore thieves. Now having said that, I hold no personal dislikes for anyone playing one. It is a game. We are supposed to be having fun, or we shouldn't be here. At least that is what I think.
You are playing the game the way you like to and getting the most from it your way. That is how I see it, and I see nothing wrong with it. As to who or what you are in real life, you don't owe anyone any explanations, and you don't need to defend your personal choices. Others need to get a grip.
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Mitawyn
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:54:00 -
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I don't like ore thieves. Now having said that, I hold no personal dislikes for anyone playing one. It is a game. We are supposed to be having fun, or we shouldn't be here. At least that is what I think.
You are playing the game the way you like to and getting the most from it your way. That is how I see it, and I see nothing wrong with it. As to who or what you are in real life, you don't owe anyone any explanations, and you don't need to defend your personal choices. Others need to get a grip.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:18:00 -
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Role play, EVE and real life - Where do we draw the line?
Are you suggesting that EVE and real life are two different things???
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:18:00 -
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Role play, EVE and real life - Where do we draw the line?
Are you suggesting that EVE and real life are two different things???
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:28:00 -
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jeez feta dont get confused!
EVE gives u one hour per day for sleep/rl and its called dt!
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:28:00 -
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jeez feta dont get confused!
EVE gives u one hour per day for sleep/rl and its called dt!
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Nigel
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:44:00 -
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Response for DK Metz's Post.
DK you wont even undock from the station your in to help fight your war, so for you to say you will go hunt them down in game is a right laugh 
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Nigel
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:44:00 -
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Response for DK Metz's Post.
DK you wont even undock from the station your in to help fight your war, so for you to say you will go hunt them down in game is a right laugh
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.27 12:01:00 -
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RL threats, racism and overly abusive language have no place and should not be tolerated in any game, let alone this one.
CCP itself actually encourages racism.
I am a racist.. and i don't deny i hate jovians. I'll kill every jovian i find.
And there is so much hatred between amarrians and minmatar it's very hard to avoid racism... i personally like minmatar (have few of them myself in hangar for doing hard labour)
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.27 12:01:00 -
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RL threats, racism and overly abusive language have no place and should not be tolerated in any game, let alone this one.
CCP itself actually encourages racism.
I am a racist.. and i don't deny i hate jovians. I'll kill every jovian i find.
And there is so much hatred between amarrians and minmatar it's very hard to avoid racism... i personally like minmatar (have few of them myself in hangar for doing hard labour)
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 12:34:00 -
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I hate the amarr for keeping slaves when they should be free. I dislike the Caldari for the war we had with them. They arnt that bad though some Caldari are very nice. If I ever have to fight with one though I remind them of thier home planet we still keep in our control ;).
However Amarr are just crud cakes 
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 12:34:00 -
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I hate the amarr for keeping slaves when they should be free. I dislike the Caldari for the war we had with them. They arnt that bad though some Caldari are very nice. If I ever have to fight with one though I remind them of thier home planet we still keep in our control ;).
However Amarr are just crud cakes
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.27 14:27:00 -
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If someone threatens you in a 'real life' manner, than they probably can't distinguish between fantasy and reality all that well. But this can also work to your advantage. First, report them. Sometimes you get lucky and the GMs will give the person a 'time out'. Then, go online and look up the address and telephone number of a random police station somewhere in the country. Then, give that address and phone number to the person threatening you and tell him to come on out and get you. With any luck you'll read about them in the national news the next morning. 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.27 14:27:00 -
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If someone threatens you in a 'real life' manner, than they probably can't distinguish between fantasy and reality all that well. But this can also work to your advantage. First, report them. Sometimes you get lucky and the GMs will give the person a 'time out'. Then, go online and look up the address and telephone number of a random police station somewhere in the country. Then, give that address and phone number to the person threatening you and tell him to come on out and get you. With any luck you'll read about them in the national news the next morning.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.27 15:06:00 -
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I think RL threats them selves have to be taken with a pinch of salt. And to be honest I enjoy them lol thats why after all we are evil. isnt it?
We are cursed men
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.27 15:06:00 -
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I think RL threats them selves have to be taken with a pinch of salt. And to be honest I enjoy them lol thats why after all we are evil. isnt it?
We are cursed men
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HooYah
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Posted - 2004.07.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
As regards to RL - petition, petition, petition. Anyone making RL threats to any players should be perma banned from the game. CCP need to clamp down harder on this.
Miso x
Well said Miso, I agree anyone making RL threats should be banned, it is a game...people play it to have fun, it is hardly fun if people are threatening you out of the game.
As far as the ore theiving goes, although I mine my own ore and I use Secure containers, how can you steal something that someone else is throwing away. If they wanted the ore they should have used secure cans.
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HooYah
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Posted - 2004.07.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
As regards to RL - petition, petition, petition. Anyone making RL threats to any players should be perma banned from the game. CCP need to clamp down harder on this.
Miso x
Well said Miso, I agree anyone making RL threats should be banned, it is a game...people play it to have fun, it is hardly fun if people are threatening you out of the game.
As far as the ore theiving goes, although I mine my own ore and I use Secure containers, how can you steal something that someone else is throwing away. If they wanted the ore they should have used secure cans.
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Dreysine
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:20:00 -
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Ya, I think that RL threats are just dumb. However, I think that there are mean spirited and inwardly crooked people that play out their not so law abiding fantasies in Eve and games similar because RL consequences are keeping them from acting on these desires. Its actually very well documented in Phsycological periodicals.
Im not saying that all peeps that take on the bad persona in Eve are actually bad but to say that none of them are is equally incrorrect.
Panty free and luvin' it! |
Dreysine
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:20:00 -
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Ya, I think that RL threats are just dumb. However, I think that there are mean spirited and inwardly crooked people that play out their not so law abiding fantasies in Eve and games similar because RL consequences are keeping them from acting on these desires. Its actually very well documented in Phsycological periodicals.
Im not saying that all peeps that take on the bad persona in Eve are actually bad but to say that none of them are is equally incrorrect.
Panty free and luvin' it! |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:31:00 -
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It's a double edged sword. You RP then someone says "dood you take this game too seriously". You talk as if you would in RL and people get upset that you don't at least make the attempt to RP and cheapen the game to an FPS level.
But TBH I just ignore some of the people who don't like to play along and play through it.
The people who try and break your stride by trying to force you OOC or whatever, just play through them. Likely they will be like "You need help" but f'em imagination is an ability. One obviously they lost sometime growing up.
Ore thieving is a neccessary evil and I applaud those willing to do it, but I doubly appreciate those who did it in charachter. Adds to the fun of the game and makes me laugh.
So all you people who get your ore stolen: Play along and get a good laugh out of it instead of taking the game too seriously!
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:31:00 -
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It's a double edged sword. You RP then someone says "dood you take this game too seriously". You talk as if you would in RL and people get upset that you don't at least make the attempt to RP and cheapen the game to an FPS level.
But TBH I just ignore some of the people who don't like to play along and play through it.
The people who try and break your stride by trying to force you OOC or whatever, just play through them. Likely they will be like "You need help" but f'em imagination is an ability. One obviously they lost sometime growing up.
Ore thieving is a neccessary evil and I applaud those willing to do it, but I doubly appreciate those who did it in charachter. Adds to the fun of the game and makes me laugh.
So all you people who get your ore stolen: Play along and get a good laugh out of it instead of taking the game too seriously!
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Maiden Hananiah
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:56:00 -
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This post is interesting. I've received many hate Eve-mails in-game which comprised of the usual bashing and ranting and think nothing of them.
I don't want to hear another person crying over their ore when they are trying to negate the legality of who the ore belongs to. The way I see it is that if you are using a unsecure container, the ore is open ownership to everyone in the game. You name is not stamped on the ore since the ore belongs to the system and roid belt it is in, not the person mining it. The ore only enters individual ownership of the person who secures it either within their ships cargo hold or their secure container.
To those of you who mine without using secure containers, you should look at your logic of mining operations before you begin hating Ore Thief's.
What this issue comes down to is simply greed. A miner wants to mine as much ore as they can within the time limit they have, so they use unsecured containers because they are greedy and lazy for not using secure containers. Their greed for ore makes them loose all senses as to what they are doing.
They would have nothing to complain about if they would just use the secure containers, period.
I am an Ore Thief, that's my role, duty, way of life, and my means to make ISK. To those of you who don't know, being an Ore Thief takes a lot of time and skills when picking out ones prey. |
Maiden Hananiah
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:56:00 -
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This post is interesting. I've received many hate Eve-mails in-game which comprised of the usual bashing and ranting and think nothing of them.
I don't want to hear another person crying over their ore when they are trying to negate the legality of who the ore belongs to. The way I see it is that if you are using a unsecure container, the ore is open ownership to everyone in the game. You name is not stamped on the ore since the ore belongs to the system and roid belt it is in, not the person mining it. The ore only enters individual ownership of the person who secures it either within their ships cargo hold or their secure container.
To those of you who mine without using secure containers, you should look at your logic of mining operations before you begin hating Ore Thief's.
What this issue comes down to is simply greed. A miner wants to mine as much ore as they can within the time limit they have, so they use unsecured containers because they are greedy and lazy for not using secure containers. Their greed for ore makes them loose all senses as to what they are doing.
They would have nothing to complain about if they would just use the secure containers, period.
I am an Ore Thief, that's my role, duty, way of life, and my means to make ISK. To those of you who don't know, being an Ore Thief takes a lot of time and skills when picking out ones prey. |
Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Kronin
Originally by: Tenaj
Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.
Yes, you right. 
Don't be afraid to be an ore thief, pirate or even corp thief. It's a part of a game. We need it. CPP will not remove this "options" from the game. It sounds like "We don't need npc to make damage to our ships! We just want to take their loot." 
I wish some1 tell me he want to find me in RL. A very long trip. Heh.
I disagree. Having seen too many corps devestated by corp thieves, I'm 100% opposed, but acknowledge that there is no way to prevent it. Since we cannot prevent people from betraying others IRL, there's no way to prevent people from being false for 3-6 months and then walk away with everything they can get access to. So, dead topic, moving on...
I'm also opposed Ore Thievery under CONCORD protection. There should be some means to protect your stuff. imho, even a "don't touch anything that doesn't belong to you, or consider it an aggression against someone else" policy is better than the policy we currently have. Then, if you loot someone else's debris, you're aggressive. If you loot someone else's jet can full of ore, you're aggressive. If you're collecting your friends loot from their debris, you're aggressive. But then I'm a crazy extremist
And I'm fine with piracy but am opposed to griefing. (i.e., we'll use Curse Alliance's definition which is to paraphrase: the gratuitous violence and gatecamping for no other reason than the malicious destruction of non-combatants.) Too many "pirates" are really "griefers" and do nothing but sit at a gate waiting for people to pass through and just kill them for no reason other than "they can."
This kind of mindless brutality can't be prohibited, but I fail to see how it's inclusion increases the playability or entertainment value for the majority of players. So, nuff said on that...
That said, I have a lot of respect for those pirates who give other people a fair chance to save themselves (ransom their ships to prevent destruction), and don't mind gategamping for the same purpose. Hunting indies for their hold is fine with me also. They say "there is no honor among thieves" but unless you are IRL a despicable person, you remember that there is a person at the other end of the screen who isn't necessarily going to be thankful that you've just taught them the 405th way to turn in to space debris and a floating corpse.
Even so, there are no reasons for IRL threats.. ever
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"All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E. |
Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kronin
Originally by: Tenaj
Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.
Yes, you right.
Don't be afraid to be an ore thief, pirate or even corp thief. It's a part of a game. We need it. CPP will not remove this "options" from the game. It sounds like "We don't need npc to make damage to our ships! We just want to take their loot."
I wish some1 tell me he want to find me in RL. A very long trip. Heh.
I disagree. Having seen too many corps devestated by corp thieves, I'm 100% opposed, but acknowledge that there is no way to prevent it. Since we cannot prevent people from betraying others IRL, there's no way to prevent people from being false for 3-6 months and then walk away with everything they can get access to. So, dead topic, moving on...
I'm also opposed Ore Thievery under CONCORD protection. There should be some means to protect your stuff. imho, even a "don't touch anything that doesn't belong to you, or consider it an aggression against someone else" policy is better than the policy we currently have. Then, if you loot someone else's debris, you're aggressive. If you loot someone else's jet can full of ore, you're aggressive. If you're collecting your friends loot from their debris, you're aggressive. But then I'm a crazy extremist
And I'm fine with piracy but am opposed to griefing. (i.e., we'll use Curse Alliance's definition which is to paraphrase: the gratuitous violence and gatecamping for no other reason than the malicious destruction of non-combatants.) Too many "pirates" are really "griefers" and do nothing but sit at a gate waiting for people to pass through and just kill them for no reason other than "they can."
This kind of mindless brutality can't be prohibited, but I fail to see how it's inclusion increases the playability or entertainment value for the majority of players. So, nuff said on that...
That said, I have a lot of respect for those pirates who give other people a fair chance to save themselves (ransom their ships to prevent destruction), and don't mind gategamping for the same purpose. Hunting indies for their hold is fine with me also. They say "there is no honor among thieves" but unless you are IRL a despicable person, you remember that there is a person at the other end of the screen who isn't necessarily going to be thankful that you've just taught them the 405th way to turn in to space debris and a floating corpse.
Even so, there are no reasons for IRL threats.. ever
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"All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E. |
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