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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:19:00 -
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can i petition if someone kills me in rl? 
I think the problem with all of this is that the people who get robbed(generalizing) by ore thieves are lazy (I'm talking about the non-new players sitting in .8+), and in turn when someone takes advantage of their actions, they get mad because it forces them to work more, which is what the lazy person tries to avoid in the first place. I guess if I was lazy, i'd be upset also. 
When people suggest that someone who Role-plays an unsavory character somehow takes that from their personal life, they're absolutely right! The concept of theft/murder/bullying is not sophisticated by any means, and I'm guessing even the nicest, friendliest miners have felt the urge to hurt others (perhaps when they see an ore thief headed their way).
However, i think players (in real life) aren't really bad people. To act on one's urges in a fictional environment (where people don't get hurt) is a healthy activity. People having trouble differentiating between rl and game are unhealthy, and perhaps need some attention. 
Ore thievery reveals the true nutjobs; so one could look at Tenaj as a public servant that identifies the truly dangerous people. thanks for the hard work
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:19:00 -
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can i petition if someone kills me in rl?
I think the problem with all of this is that the people who get robbed(generalizing) by ore thieves are lazy (I'm talking about the non-new players sitting in .8+), and in turn when someone takes advantage of their actions, they get mad because it forces them to work more, which is what the lazy person tries to avoid in the first place. I guess if I was lazy, i'd be upset also.
When people suggest that someone who Role-plays an unsavory character somehow takes that from their personal life, they're absolutely right! The concept of theft/murder/bullying is not sophisticated by any means, and I'm guessing even the nicest, friendliest miners have felt the urge to hurt others (perhaps when they see an ore thief headed their way).
However, i think players (in real life) aren't really bad people. To act on one's urges in a fictional environment (where people don't get hurt) is a healthy activity. People having trouble differentiating between rl and game are unhealthy, and perhaps need some attention.
Ore thievery reveals the true nutjobs; so one could look at Tenaj as a public servant that identifies the truly dangerous people. thanks for the hard work
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:19:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Maiden Hananiah
This post is interesting. I've received many hate Eve-mails in-game which comprised of the usual bashing and ranting and think nothing of them.
I don't want to hear another person crying over their ore when they are trying to negate the legality of who the ore belongs to. The way I see it is that if you are using a unsecure container, the ore is open ownership to everyone in the game. You name is not stamped on the ore since the ore belongs to the system and roid belt it is in, not the person mining it. The ore only enters individual ownership of the person who secures it either within their ships cargo hold or their secure container.
To those of you who mine without using secure containers, you should look at your logic of mining operations before you begin hating Ore Thief's.
What this issue comes down to is simply greed. A miner wants to mine as much ore as they can within the time limit they have, so they use unsecured containers because they are greedy and lazy for not using secure containers. Their greed for ore makes them loose all senses as to what they are doing.
They would have nothing to complain about if they would just use the secure containers, period.
I am an Ore Thief, that's my role, duty, way of life, and my means to make ISK. To those of you who don't know, being an Ore Thief takes a lot of time and skills when picking out ones prey.
Oh give it a break! Ore thieving takes no skill in secure space so spare us the whine. You simply roll up and start filling your indy or ship and those around you are basically helpless to do anything except sacrifice themselves to what amounts to a small inconvenience to you when they blow your rig up. Thieving should be a skill like PVP...with consequences to not being very experienced or skilled (ie, actually having skills required)
This can be solved easily by not allowing ore to be stored outside of a ship in space in anything other than a secure can. Problem with secure cans though is that they are like garbage in space they never go away..at least in 0.0.
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maiden Hananiah
This post is interesting. I've received many hate Eve-mails in-game which comprised of the usual bashing and ranting and think nothing of them.
I don't want to hear another person crying over their ore when they are trying to negate the legality of who the ore belongs to. The way I see it is that if you are using a unsecure container, the ore is open ownership to everyone in the game. You name is not stamped on the ore since the ore belongs to the system and roid belt it is in, not the person mining it. The ore only enters individual ownership of the person who secures it either within their ships cargo hold or their secure container.
To those of you who mine without using secure containers, you should look at your logic of mining operations before you begin hating Ore Thief's.
What this issue comes down to is simply greed. A miner wants to mine as much ore as they can within the time limit they have, so they use unsecured containers because they are greedy and lazy for not using secure containers. Their greed for ore makes them loose all senses as to what they are doing.
They would have nothing to complain about if they would just use the secure containers, period.
I am an Ore Thief, that's my role, duty, way of life, and my means to make ISK. To those of you who don't know, being an Ore Thief takes a lot of time and skills when picking out ones prey.
Oh give it a break! Ore thieving takes no skill in secure space so spare us the whine. You simply roll up and start filling your indy or ship and those around you are basically helpless to do anything except sacrifice themselves to what amounts to a small inconvenience to you when they blow your rig up. Thieving should be a skill like PVP...with consequences to not being very experienced or skilled (ie, actually having skills required)
This can be solved easily by not allowing ore to be stored outside of a ship in space in anything other than a secure can. Problem with secure cans though is that they are like garbage in space they never go away..at least in 0.0.
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TicklePink
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:39:00 -
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Yes Tenaj..it IS wrong...for people to threaten you....but..your pushing an envelope when you mess with peoples RL income they spend on the game by stealing...I dont think those people would become as aggressive as they do if CCP would go ahead try to put some definitions and some boundaries on a "right" and "wrong" in this game.In real Life..there is right..and there is wrong..and to lie to yourself and say.."hey"..Im in a game..there is "no right...no wrong"...theres a few people out there who are actually crazy enough to threaten you....Sad..but true.
I blame CCPs obvious problem with "rules"..and "inforcement"..and "punishment".Their programming is causing alot of people to get really set off about alot of different things.
Noobs are told..dont go to 0.4 or lower so you can try to build your character and be "safe" in Empire..while all along..there ore theives out there tsking what they feel theyve worked hard for.THEN they start a corp..and cause theyre small and new..guess what?...larger griefer corps declare war on them cause its just plain fun to ruin someones game and be able to say "hey...did you see?..we blew them up til they had no more sk for clones.......hahahahaha...oh..by the ay..I fart more than you do."
Youve chosen to play this game your way..just like the mega corps and bounty corps have chosen to play this game their way..you and I both know...there are certain things a noob can do to prevent YOU the ore theif from theiving from them..and theyre so insensed by your actions...that they dont even think about what they do makes it sooo easy for you...but..then...you come along and try to speak to everyones common sense..to their moral fiber..to their "real life" ethics...well..hun...youre taking real life money..out of their real life pockets by making this game more difficult to play...and theres alot of peeps who will "kil" for that money,,theyll harrass and threaten and go to almost any lengths to protect that money they work so hard for.
You made your bed...uh..ofcourse its not right to threaten you..but is it right for you to take certain little secrets that others take for granted and then use those to take pthers hard work?..I guess you use your tricks..they use theirs..:(..cruel world..I know.
-TicklePink
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TicklePink
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:39:00 -
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Yes Tenaj..it IS wrong...for people to threaten you....but..your pushing an envelope when you mess with peoples RL income they spend on the game by stealing...I dont think those people would become as aggressive as they do if CCP would go ahead try to put some definitions and some boundaries on a "right" and "wrong" in this game.In real Life..there is right..and there is wrong..and to lie to yourself and say.."hey"..Im in a game..there is "no right...no wrong"...theres a few people out there who are actually crazy enough to threaten you....Sad..but true.
I blame CCPs obvious problem with "rules"..and "inforcement"..and "punishment".Their programming is causing alot of people to get really set off about alot of different things.
Noobs are told..dont go to 0.4 or lower so you can try to build your character and be "safe" in Empire..while all along..there ore theives out there tsking what they feel theyve worked hard for.THEN they start a corp..and cause theyre small and new..guess what?...larger griefer corps declare war on them cause its just plain fun to ruin someones game and be able to say "hey...did you see?..we blew them up til they had no more sk for clones.......hahahahaha...oh..by the ay..I fart more than you do."
Youve chosen to play this game your way..just like the mega corps and bounty corps have chosen to play this game their way..you and I both know...there are certain things a noob can do to prevent YOU the ore theif from theiving from them..and theyre so insensed by your actions...that they dont even think about what they do makes it sooo easy for you...but..then...you come along and try to speak to everyones common sense..to their moral fiber..to their "real life" ethics...well..hun...youre taking real life money..out of their real life pockets by making this game more difficult to play...and theres alot of peeps who will "kil" for that money,,theyll harrass and threaten and go to almost any lengths to protect that money they work so hard for.
You made your bed...uh..ofcourse its not right to threaten you..but is it right for you to take certain little secrets that others take for granted and then use those to take pthers hard work?..I guess you use your tricks..they use theirs..:(..cruel world..I know.
-TicklePink
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Rocius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rocius on 28/07/2004 22:24:18
Although I do agree that there does need to be some sort of skill, and penalty for ore thieves, I do have one question.
What is it that some of you dont understand? There is a link a few posts up that has an OFFICIALresponse. Here you have it folks, that is the way it is.
Official Link
Some of you go on bantering like a bunch of damn banshee's. There is a HUGE difference to RL and the game. To sit there and say realy stupid crap like, "what you are doing in the game is effecting my RL money" C'mon, can it get any worse than this? I generaly avoid posting in any games forums OOC wise, but jeez. If you dont like worrying about what someone else does because it effects your RL money, then you need to play single player offline games.
** edit to include the link, for those not wanting to go back a page for it **
Dont take your gaming too serious ! |
Rocius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rocius on 28/07/2004 22:24:18
Although I do agree that there does need to be some sort of skill, and penalty for ore thieves, I do have one question.
What is it that some of you dont understand? There is a link a few posts up that has an OFFICIALresponse. Here you have it folks, that is the way it is.
Official Link
Some of you go on bantering like a bunch of damn banshee's. There is a HUGE difference to RL and the game. To sit there and say realy stupid crap like, "what you are doing in the game is effecting my RL money" C'mon, can it get any worse than this? I generaly avoid posting in any games forums OOC wise, but jeez. If you dont like worrying about what someone else does because it effects your RL money, then you need to play single player offline games.
** edit to include the link, for those not wanting to go back a page for it **
Dont take your gaming too serious ! |
Ripp Tyde
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Posted - 2004.07.28 22:10:00 -
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FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Ripp Tyde
F.R.E.E.E.
DingleBerry Bear
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Ripp Tyde
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Posted - 2004.07.28 22:10:00 -
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FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Ripp Tyde
F.R.E.E.E.
DingleBerry Bear
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Maiden Hananiah
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:26:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Ripp Tyde
FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Jettisoned non-secure containers ONLY show WHO jettisoned the container, NOT ownership. Ownership of a containers contents is ONLY guaranteed 100% when the container contents are SECURED, thus the reason CCP implemented the useage of passwords and anchoring.
Example, if I drive down the freeway and throw a bag full of money out the window while the traffic is extremely busy, does that mean that the bag of money can't be taken by anyone who finds it? Conversely, if I travel down the freeway and throw an Iron Safe out the window, whoever finds it can't take it's contents (let's keep it simple) unless they know the safety-combination or have a key to unlock it. For those who want to argue about this example... I'm speaking about money in the form of coins and paper currency only.
The contents of the Iron Safe being the money/currency does not have my name written on it nor does it state who used it last...exactly as the ore taken from a roid belt.
Like I said earlier in this post, if a miner would use the secure containers they'd have nothing to complain about.
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Maiden Hananiah
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ripp Tyde
FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Jettisoned non-secure containers ONLY show WHO jettisoned the container, NOT ownership. Ownership of a containers contents is ONLY guaranteed 100% when the container contents are SECURED, thus the reason CCP implemented the useage of passwords and anchoring.
Example, if I drive down the freeway and throw a bag full of money out the window while the traffic is extremely busy, does that mean that the bag of money can't be taken by anyone who finds it? Conversely, if I travel down the freeway and throw an Iron Safe out the window, whoever finds it can't take it's contents (let's keep it simple) unless they know the safety-combination or have a key to unlock it. For those who want to argue about this example... I'm speaking about money in the form of coins and paper currency only.
The contents of the Iron Safe being the money/currency does not have my name written on it nor does it state who used it last...exactly as the ore taken from a roid belt.
Like I said earlier in this post, if a miner would use the secure containers they'd have nothing to complain about.
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Grabtharr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:34:00 -
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I dont know what its like where you live but its illegal to go through other peoples garbage cans...when they are on the public street as well as the obvious tresspassing bit.
I think intent is relevent here. If a person ejects a can with the intent that he no longer wants it then yes by all means take what you want, but if someone has ejected a can for other reasons then one should ask permission.
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Grabtharr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:34:00 -
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I dont know what its like where you live but its illegal to go through other peoples garbage cans...when they are on the public street as well as the obvious tresspassing bit.
I think intent is relevent here. If a person ejects a can with the intent that he no longer wants it then yes by all means take what you want, but if someone has ejected a can for other reasons then one should ask permission.
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Grabtharr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:36:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Maiden Hananiah
Originally by: Ripp Tyde
FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Jettisoned non-secure containers ONLY show WHO jettisoned the container, NOT ownership. Ownership of a containers contents is ONLY guaranteed 100% when the container contents are SECURED, thus the reason CCP implemented the useage of passwords and anchoring.
Example, if I drive down the freeway and throw a bag full of money out the window while the traffic is extremely busy, does that mean that the bag of money can't be taken by anyone who finds it? Conversely, if I travel down the freeway and throw an Iron Safe out the window, whoever finds it can't take it's contents (let's keep it simple) unless they know the safety-combination or have a key to unlock it. For those who want to argue about this example... I'm speaking about money in the form of coins and paper currency only.
The contents of the Iron Safe being the money/currency does not have my name written on it nor does it state who used it last...exactly as the ore taken from a roid belt.
Like I said earlier in this post, if a miner would use the secure containers they'd have nothing to complain about.
IF a bag full of money comes flying out of the window of a vehicle and you stop and take it then by law you are stealing. IF the person didnt want the money..different story.
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Grabtharr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maiden Hananiah
Originally by: Ripp Tyde
FYI when you jettison a can it still has your name on it. i do belive that shows ownership. dont you? Also unless im mistaken you must jettison even a secure container.
well not like im a miner but thought id throw my 2 cents out.
Jettisoned non-secure containers ONLY show WHO jettisoned the container, NOT ownership. Ownership of a containers contents is ONLY guaranteed 100% when the container contents are SECURED, thus the reason CCP implemented the useage of passwords and anchoring.
Example, if I drive down the freeway and throw a bag full of money out the window while the traffic is extremely busy, does that mean that the bag of money can't be taken by anyone who finds it? Conversely, if I travel down the freeway and throw an Iron Safe out the window, whoever finds it can't take it's contents (let's keep it simple) unless they know the safety-combination or have a key to unlock it. For those who want to argue about this example... I'm speaking about money in the form of coins and paper currency only.
The contents of the Iron Safe being the money/currency does not have my name written on it nor does it state who used it last...exactly as the ore taken from a roid belt.
Like I said earlier in this post, if a miner would use the secure containers they'd have nothing to complain about.
IF a bag full of money comes flying out of the window of a vehicle and you stop and take it then by law you are stealing. IF the person didnt want the money..different story.
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Evangelist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:11:00 -
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Ore thiefs may be a bit annoying but in my opinion they more accurately fit the definition of a pirate than most pirates in game - some one who hijacks at sea - cheeky chappies 
Where as game pirates are more accurately described as gansters or terrorists - folk that use fear, intimidation and extortion 
As far as role play goes - it probably reveals a bit about the players own character, same as the names folk select. However there has to be a clear line between fantasy and reality and real life threats are a piece of nonsense - probably made by some one feeling empowered by their own role play 
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Evangelist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 01:11:00 -
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Ore thiefs may be a bit annoying but in my opinion they more accurately fit the definition of a pirate than most pirates in game - some one who hijacks at sea - cheeky chappies
Where as game pirates are more accurately described as gansters or terrorists - folk that use fear, intimidation and extortion
As far as role play goes - it probably reveals a bit about the players own character, same as the names folk select. However there has to be a clear line between fantasy and reality and real life threats are a piece of nonsense - probably made by some one feeling empowered by their own role play
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Chrome Born
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:12:00 -
[109]
Shrugs, never been thieved from, am guessing you probably ply your trade in noob systems that harbour young kiddies, if you dont like the silly threats change your profession.
Chrome Born.
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Chrome Born
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:12:00 -
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Shrugs, never been thieved from, am guessing you probably ply your trade in noob systems that harbour young kiddies, if you dont like the silly threats change your profession.
Chrome Born.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:38:00 -
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"ingame" you will find me to be a hardcore roleplayer and as such "ic" and "ooc" tend to merge from time to time. However, RL threats must not occur, no "mature" player or GM will allow this to happen. I suggest harassment petitions with logs - that should do the trick.
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:38:00 -
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"ingame" you will find me to be a hardcore roleplayer and as such "ic" and "ooc" tend to merge from time to time. However, RL threats must not occur, no "mature" player or GM will allow this to happen. I suggest harassment petitions with logs - that should do the trick.
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Kyle Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:48:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Kyle Kador on 29/07/2004 07:53:29
Edited by: Kyle Kador on 29/07/2004 07:52:09
Originally by: Rocius
Edited by: Rocius on 28/07/2004 22:24:18
Although I do agree that there does need to be some sort of skill, and penalty for ore thieves, I do have one question.
What is it that some of you dont understand? There is a link a few posts up that has an OFFICIALresponse. Here you have it folks, that is the way it is.
Official Link
Some of you go on bantering like a bunch of damn banshee's. There is a HUGE difference to RL and the game. To sit there and say realy stupid crap like, "what you are doing in the game is effecting my RL money" C'mon, can it get any worse than this? I generaly avoid posting in any games forums OOC wise, but jeez. If you dont like worrying about what someone else does because it effects your RL money, then you need to play single player offline games.
** edit to include the link, for those not wanting to go back a page for it **
Exactly what he said i dont agree with ore taking but all this talking about what
and what isnt legal is pointless dribble ccp are the rule makers here and their
posistion on this is clear and i doubt itll change. And rl threats are lame but
how exactly are they going to locate you anyway ?
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Kyle Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.29 07:48:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Kyle Kador on 29/07/2004 07:53:29
Edited by: Kyle Kador on 29/07/2004 07:52:09
Originally by: Rocius
Edited by: Rocius on 28/07/2004 22:24:18
Although I do agree that there does need to be some sort of skill, and penalty for ore thieves, I do have one question.
What is it that some of you dont understand? There is a link a few posts up that has an OFFICIALresponse. Here you have it folks, that is the way it is.
Official Link
Some of you go on bantering like a bunch of damn banshee's. There is a HUGE difference to RL and the game. To sit there and say realy stupid crap like, "what you are doing in the game is effecting my RL money" C'mon, can it get any worse than this? I generaly avoid posting in any games forums OOC wise, but jeez. If you dont like worrying about what someone else does because it effects your RL money, then you need to play single player offline games.
** edit to include the link, for those not wanting to go back a page for it **
Exactly what he said i dont agree with ore taking but all this talking about what
and what isnt legal is pointless dribble ccp are the rule makers here and their
posistion on this is clear and i doubt itll change. And rl threats are lame but
how exactly are they going to locate you anyway ?
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:46:00 -
[115]
well you know i think the problem with most orethiefs is that they hide in npc corps, that's what gets ppl ****ed off the most that one canT' even declare on you.
but that's fine with me as i'm no miner
rl threats must not occur though and that's why you can petition harrassment, those ppl really don't get that it's a game and everyone can choose his way in here.
petition to make eve a safer place for all of us
btw you can threaten me in rl cause i managed to get a modulated tach out of the game and mounted it on my bike
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:46:00 -
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well you know i think the problem with most orethiefs is that they hide in npc corps, that's what gets ppl ****ed off the most that one canT' even declare on you.
but that's fine with me as i'm no miner
rl threats must not occur though and that's why you can petition harrassment, those ppl really don't get that it's a game and everyone can choose his way in here.
petition to make eve a safer place for all of us
btw you can threaten me in rl cause i managed to get a modulated tach out of the game and mounted it on my bike
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Kreeper
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:56:00 -
[117]
You kan threatin me all you like ....Ever seen a Redneck on whisky?
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Calling Christos Hendez come back to EvE
Smother another Failur
Lay this to rest...
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Kreeper
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:56:00 -
[118]
You kan threatin me all you like ....Ever seen a Redneck on whisky?
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Calling Christos Hendez come back to EvE
Smother another Failur
Lay this to rest...
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:04:00 -
[119]
The line is when you log in. If you can't take in game stuff with a pinch of salt then you need to honestly ask yourself what you hope to get out of playing Eve.
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:04:00 -
[120]
The line is when you log in. If you can't take in game stuff with a pinch of salt then you need to honestly ask yourself what you hope to get out of playing Eve.
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
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