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Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:39:00 - [1] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:47:00 - [2] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem Did you even read the devblog? Real men don't read.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this. BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. How long companies expect the computer to last and how long the computer industry expects the computer to last are two entirely different things. The computer industry considers 3 years the standard life for computer parts (and thus computers themselves). ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:35:00 - [4] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 14/01/2009 18:36:43 Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. How long companies expect the computer to last and how long the computer industry expects the computer to last are two entirely different things. The computer industry considers 3 years the standard life for computer parts (and thus computers themselves). BS again ... companies buy the parts and software. It is therefore more than relevant. If it was irrelevant we could not still get security patches for Windows 2K Server which is, what, 9 years old now? You are still missing the point. The computer industry only expects support for a product to be 3 years. That is the effective life of the part. If MS decides to support their software for 9 years, that has absolutely nothing to do with hardware obsolescence. From the point of view of software developers, you system is obsolete. They can choose to support it if they wish, but that is entirely up to them. It is generally considered a waste of time/money to support obsolete technology. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth No, it is called keeping your customer base happy so that they buy more of your hardware/software and you stay in business in the long term. Only dumb software companies have a different view (of which there are certainly a few). Whether you love or hate Microsoft they clearly have done something right over the years in terms of earning cash .. which is, after all, what being in business is all about. Microsoft is a horrible example though. Windows is an operating system. By the time it is released the hardware it was designed for is 3-4 years old. It also take a long time to create an actual replacement. Use a type of software that doesn't have a 5 year development cycle before the next upgrade comes out. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 14/01/2009 18:53:10 HERE YOU GO. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the laptops listed there are SM 3.0 or 4.0 capable, making them MORE than enough to run EvE. NONE of them are over $1000.00 US. Now stop whining and just buy a new laptop. HOLY ****. That's FOUR whole SHADER MODELS! You can keep your three necessary shaders and give the fourth one to someone else who only has two! Freakin communists. Sell! You can sell the fourth one!
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 14/01/2009 19:11:52 Originally by: Anvalor Originally by: Qordel I know it because CCP said so and they know it because it's their damn game. You don't think that their servers know what kind of system you're connecting from? If they did not know this information, it would be a pretty sad indicator. from the devblog: "What we don't know is exactly how many. We estimate that about 95% of all subscribers currently have hardware that is SM2 compatible. We further predict that in q4 this year over 97% of subscribers will have SM3 capable hardware." So all i can see is CCP saying something about not knowing and predicting but can you please show me were they say that they know excactly how many % are using older computers ? I just can not find it. Well short of invading everyone's privacy (assuming they don't already have this information, that is), that is the only number we have to go by. We either assume it is accurate enough to use, or that it was made up on the spot for the blog. Otherwise all we can do is speculate. I estimate 80% of EVE players still use SM1. Can you prove I am wrong?
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Keeping customers is always easier and cheaper than getting new ones. Most inaccurate statement of the entire thread.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 14/01/2009 20:34:40 Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Whether you like it or not a subscription model for playing does set some expectations amongst its customers about continuity of service. Not according to the EULA. You can keep trying to argue, but you are part of a small minority. A minority that CCP is currently running the numbers to see if it is worth trying to keep around. Your expectations as a paying customer don't mean a damned thing if it is cheaper for CCP to simply dump you. edit: Originally by: Alex Raptos Unlike ATI, CCP is not obliged to support your 5/6 year old card. Actually I'd be very surprised if ATI's support (if any) for that card goes beyond basic driver support (which is unified with their current products anyways).
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Khemul Zula edit: Originally by: Alex Raptos Unlike ATI, CCP is not obliged to support your 5/6 year old card. Actually I'd be very surprised if ATI's support (if any) for that card goes beyond basic driver support (which is unified with their current products anyways). Yes well i was trying to be nice Oh look .... http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRadeon9800/index.html http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon7000/radeonve/index.html Sorry, I thought we were linking random things ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly I mean, after all Stackless IO was supposed to seriously reduce lag and it appears that it is not all that it's cracked up to be. Maybe I'm wrong but hey... Whatever Been to Jita on a Sunday lately? SM3 isn't really about lag, but about the client itself. Does EVE need new fancy graphics? Most will say 'hell no!', but the true answer is actually yes. CCP's goal as a company is to continue growing their pet project as much as possible and to milk it for all the income they can. If they ignore the graphics, eventually EVE will be considered 'dated' and less people will be interested. While many of us would still play EVE if it didn't have fancy graphics, I wonder how many of us would have stayed long enough to gain that level of addiction without said graphics. The thing about the fancy new graphics is that it is more for drawing new people in then it is for keeping current players in.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.15 04:08:00 - [12] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 15/01/2009 04:12:11 Originally by: Cadde May i suggest that you got his posting wrong? He specifically said: "The computer industry only expects support for a product to be 3 years. That is the effective life of the part." Support - The industry will quite simply stop bothering with the product as it is deemed outdated. And unless something of great benefit could be made to the hardware with a new driver etc. only then would they make a change. Effective life - There is a distinct difference between "effective life" and "actual life" of a product. The effective part means that after the three years have gone by the applications released with that particular hardware in mind will be a few to none. And i couldn't agree more. It's like fashion clothes, they are only in fashion for so long. only to return at a later stage. The key difference is that old hardware cannot function with new software. (unless the software is developed just for that purpose) I have an old 133 MHz laptop that still runs great. I fire it up once in a while to play DOS based games that my new hardware won't allow. So your statement holds true as well, only you are responding to the wrong thing. IMHO EDIT: Defunct closing tag Well that saved me the trouble. But yeah, that is what I was getting at. This is also why "life-time warranty" is such a scam. The product's life-time ends the moment the company decides to discontinue the production and/or support of the product, which is usually within 3 years. The product will probably last for 5 years, or even a decade, but as far as the industry is concerned that product is obsolete and no longer relevant. I don't entirely agree with planned obsolescence either, but it is the standard practice for the industry. My desktop tower got half of it's parts striped out and replaced in it's last upgrade. There was absolutely nothing wrong with them, and I wouldn't be surprised if they would have still been working today (still have a Pentium2 lying around from one of the upgrades ), but they couldn't do what I needed them to do anymore. I also know if I upgrade it again 90% of it will have to be replaced, even though everything works perfectly fine. The upgrade cycle for that system was every 3-4 years before I finally just replaced it with a laptop.

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