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Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:35:00 - [1] Well, I for one play on a 3 1/2 yr old laptop .... which in my case means SM2 ... ATI Radeon 9800. I thus have no problems with going to SM2. I have to admit, though, that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem in a game that I SUBSCRIBE to. I obviously will not buy games that cannot run on my laptop, but as I am already playing and paying for EVE I would be somewhat disturbed if CCP forced me to either (a) stop playing or (b) spend $1000-$1500 on a new laptop. Now, some of you mutter "go buy a new laptop every 2 years". This is nuts for some people. You know those who either (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. PCs are not supposed to have a shelf life of 2 years for existing software ... even Microsoft doesn't do that! A 5 year back software support regime is reasonable and this means SM2 support. Just my 10c worth.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:38:00 - [2] Stop Playing Recession > EVE, if you keep playing you're nothing near recession and have enough money to keep playing. stop whining.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Well, I for one play on a 3 1/2 yr old laptop .... which in my case means SM2 ... ATI Radeon 9800. I thus have no problems with going to SM2. I have to admit, though, that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem in a game that I SUBSCRIBE to. I obviously will not buy games that cannot run on my laptop, but as I am already playing and paying for EVE I would be somewhat disturbed if CCP forced me to either (a) stop playing or (b) spend $1000-$1500 on a new laptop. Now, some of you mutter "go buy a new laptop every 2 years". This is nuts for some people. You know those who either (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. PCs are not supposed to have a shelf life of 2 years for existing software ... even Microsoft doesn't do that! A 5 year back software support regime is reasonable and this means SM2 support. Just my 10c worth. Your laptop is 3.5 years old and if CCP moves to SM3 only at the end of the year, it'll be 4.5. So what you're saying is that you demand CCP continue supporting your system for six more months beyond that?
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem Did you even read the devblog?
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem Did you even read the devblog? Real men don't read.
Crackuji Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. QFT, if Eve really means that much to you, you would do this
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:52:00 - [8] Where do people keep coming up with these $1500 pc and laptops? A quick browse of newegg found at least 20 laptops of all kinds from $400 to $600 that would simply cream any eve client version regardless of shader model and sm4 dx10 pc video upgrade cards for a wide variety of bus types like agp, x16, 2.0 x16 for well under $25. Hell even a brand new gaming pc with all new parts that will totally pwn Crysis is around $500 if you stick to current/last years hardware and don't go overboard on all the spanking brand new tech that costs $350 per part but only give a 5% increase in performance over last years now heavily discounted 'new' tech.
8of12	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:53:00 - [9] I saw somewhere that EVE-online turned 5 years. So actualy the 5 year back software support already ended But i can understand that alot of peeps can't afford a laptop or compu every 2 years.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:55:00 - [10] Originally by: 8of12 I saw somewhere that EVE-online turned 5 years. So actualy the 5 year back software support already ended But i can understand that alot of peeps can't afford a laptop or compu every 2 years. Eve will be 6 this year
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:55:00 - [11] you can buy a new laptop with 9600m GT for $800+tax/shipping now or use 3danalyze lol
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Zeba on 14/01/2009 18:03:05 Originally by: 8of12 I saw somewhere that EVE-online turned 5 years. So actualy the 5 year back software support already ended But i can understand that alot of peeps can't afford a laptop or compu every 2 years. Well considering that sm3 is a years old tech and ccp are still using it as the prime shader for its top of the line premium client means that you never will have to upgrade 'every 2 years'. About the only people people who are going to be forced to upgrade are the ones with the truely dinasaur sm1 graphics and tbh you should thank ccp for stretching out your piece of junks lifespan. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Khemul Zula Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this. BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. Cheers, Ruf.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Concorduck Stop Playing Recession > EVE, if you keep playing you're nothing near recession and have enough money to keep playing. stop whining. I can easily afford to play ... finding the cash for a new laptop is a whole other issue. Cheers, Ruf.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem Did you even read the devblog? Yes... they are considering SM3 only at the end of 2009. I would rather they not consider that in 2009. Cheers, Ruf.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Concorduck Stop Playing Recession > EVE, if you keep playing you're nothing near recession and have enough money to keep playing. stop whining. I can easily afford to play ... finding the cash for a new laptop is a whole other issue. Stop playing till you can afford to buy that laptop ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 18:10:22 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 18:09:52 Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar you can buy a new laptop with 9600m GT for $800+tax/shipping now or use 3danalyze lol dude, your sig -edit- damn it changes... "i can haz cheesematarburger ?" is epic stuff :) op: if you read, they consider upgrade to sm3 at end of 2009. consider Fetchez la vache !
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Concorduck Stop Playing Recession > EVE, if you keep playing you're nothing near recession and have enough money to keep playing. stop whining. I can easily afford to play ... finding the cash for a new laptop is a whole other issue. Stop playing till you can afford to buy that laptop I'd rather not ... especially as the incremental graphics improvement is irrelevant to me. Anyone who plays EVE just for the graphics is missing the whole point, imo. Cheers, Ruf.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this. BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. How long companies expect the computer to last and how long the computer industry expects the computer to last are two entirely different things. The computer industry considers 3 years the standard life for computer parts (and thus computers themselves). ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 18:10:22 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/01/2009 18:09:52 Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar you can buy a new laptop with 9600m GT for $800+tax/shipping now or use 3danalyze lol dude, your sig -edit- damn it changes... "i can haz cheesematarburger ?" is epic stuff :) op: if you read, they consider upgrade to sm3 at end of 2009. consider I did ... and posted above. I want them to not consider it and am thus voicing my opinion on the matter. Cheers, Ruf.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this. BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. How long companies expect the computer to last and how long the computer industry expects the computer to last are two entirely different things. The computer industry considers 3 years the standard life for computer parts (and thus computers themselves). BS again ... companies buy the parts and software. It is therefore more than relevant. If it was irrelevant we could not still get security patches for Windows 2K Server which is, what, 9 years old now? Cheers, Ruf.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:17:00 - [22] One thing that's bugging me. Ok, first they say that they will go SM2 and then "hey, but we're gonna dump that one too" . Then they go SM3. Why not just go straight for that one. I mean they will **** people off now and then. Or are they just giving us enough time to buy new hardware? Stop whining.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:18:00 - [23] Cheapest Dell desktop has shader model 3.0.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Khemul Zula Sell family. Use proceeds to pay for new laptop. Continue playing EVE. Problem solved. Oh and computers/parts are designed to last 2-3 years. How long software is supported isn't really a measure of this. BS on the 2-3 year thing. Very few companies expect computers to last less than 5. How long companies expect the computer to last and how long the computer industry expects the computer to last are two entirely different things. The computer industry considers 3 years the standard life for computer parts (and thus computers themselves). BS again ... companies buy the parts and software. It is therefore more than relevant. If it was irrelevant we could not still get security patches for Windows 2K Server which is, what, 9 years old now? You simply can't lump all software and hardware together. My company makes enterprise-level server LDAP and messaging and identity server software and our EOL/EOSL for them tends to be a full five years. That does not mean the same expectation is there for a game, where changes are more frequent and dynamic. Beside, as I already pointed out, by the time this happens your laptop will be 4.5 years old. So you have no complaint.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Well, I for one play on a 3 1/2 yr old laptop .... which in my case means SM2 ... ATI Radeon 9800. I thus have no problems with going to SM2. I have to admit, though, that the message to upgrade to SM3 OR ELSE at the end of 2009 gives me a serious problem in a game that I SUBSCRIBE to. I obviously will not buy games that cannot run on my laptop, but as I am already playing and paying for EVE I would be somewhat disturbed if CCP forced me to either (a) stop playing or (b) spend $1000-$1500 on a new laptop. Now, some of you mutter "go buy a new laptop every 2 years". This is nuts for some people. You know those who either (a) have families and some sense of priority, (b) are not working, (c) are in a recession, (d) have this negative equity thing going on, (e) etc, etc. PCs are not supposed to have a shelf life of 2 years for existing software ... even Microsoft doesn't do that! A 5 year back software support regime is reasonable and this means SM2 support. Just my 10c worth. Whats the make/model of your Laptop ...
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth I'd rather not ... especially as the incremental graphics improvement is irrelevant to me. Anyone who plays EVE just for the graphics is missing the whole point, imo. Look at it this way. You will have a whole year to put back money on a new laptop that realisticly should cost your around $400~500 that will totaly own your old laptop and should last you for at least an additional 5 years if not alot longer. Thats only ten dollars a week you need to save and who can't nicker a measly $10 a week off of their exspenses. Also if you say that you really can't afford to put back $10 a week then you have some serious financial issues that need to be dealt with that far overshadow your future abilty to play eve.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Qordel on 14/01/2009 18:22:16 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth I'd rather not ... especially as the incremental graphics improvement is irrelevant to me. Anyone who plays EVE just for the graphics is missing the whole point, imo. Look at it this way. You will have a whole year to put back money on a new laptop that realisticly should cost your around $400~500 that will totaly own your old laptop and should last you for at least an additional 5 years if not alot longer. Thats only ten dollars a week you need to save and who can't nicker a measly $10 a week off of their exspenses. Also if you say that you really can't afford to put back $10 a week then you have some serious financial issues that need to be dealt with that far overshadow your future abilty to play eve. Or he could just build a desktop. Not every mother **er on earth can afford and own a laptop. Often, if they do, it's just enough to meet their non-gaming needs. So if he's not one of those mother *ers, then he should stick with a desk top for gaming. Could put one together today* that would support requirements then for very cheap. Hell, the 6600 GeForce is going for under $20. A laptop is usually the luxury that comes on top of the primary rig. Especially if you're gaming. And they're significantly cheaper than a laptop.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth I'd rather not ... especially as the incremental graphics improvement is irrelevant to me. Anyone who plays EVE just for the graphics is missing the whole point, imo. Look at it this way. You will have a whole year to put back money on a new laptop that realisticly should cost your around $400~500 that will totaly own your old laptop and should last you for at least an additional 5 years if not alot longer. Thats only ten dollars a week you need to save and who can't nicker a measly $10 a week off of their exspenses. Also if you say that you really can't afford to put back $10 a week then you have some serious financial issues that need to be dealt with that far overshadow your future abilty to play eve. Interesting point, but a new $500 laptop would not last 5 years, imo. I would think I would be looking at something in the region of $1200-1500 for a new laptop that would last. At least that was the case the last time I looked. I have some serious financial issues. They do not affect my ability to pay and play EVE on a monthly basis. They do, however, tend to affect lump sums of cash that get built up ... in fact lump sums do not get built up as they are used to pay down debt due to an unfortunate housing experience in the past. But, such is life, and I will get over it. In the end if CCP makes the decision (which I realize is not yet made) to disenfranchise me I will get over it and go and play something else. If I do that, of course, there is a reasonable chance I would not return - as is always the case. Cheers, Ruf.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:30:00 - [29] Also the point is that it works now, but in future it won't and you need to spend at least 400-500$ and that's far from being a good runner for it. Basically you paying 500$ for crappy performance just to be able to play a game that works now. I don't mind going single client, but I would have liked to see CCP give more performance options to scale the client, rather than axing all the low performance setting via HW axing. "We are making it so you can tune the client so it can run on lower performance machines...oh, forgot you can't run Eve on those. Oh well" Stop whining.
Alan Lincoln	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Qordel Your laptop is 3.5 years old and if CCP moves to SM3 only at the end of the year, it'll be 4.5. So what you're saying is that you demand CCP continue supporting your system for six more months beyond that? My brand new laptop is only sm2, but hey. So yes, I would say it's fair to say that it's a silly idea to move to pure sm3

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