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Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:27:00 -
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Hi all,
I'm in a relatively small corp and we have been decced by a veteran curp using n0obs as bait. We have tried to contact them to see what the prob is and how it can be resolved but they will not answer us. What can we do about this as some of our newere players are now getting hacked off with the game because they can't go anywhere.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:43:00 -
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Group up and fight?
Seriously, get in frigates and see if you can get a few fights.
You might lose, horrible - but it's not like losing a frigate is a setback (even for a newb!).
When I started out, I had my own corp with some friends and we got decced by a 1 man corp. We never ended up engaging him, but the preperations we took taught me more about EVE in a few days then I had learned in that first month.
Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
DjLowballer
Amarr
FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:32:00 -
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Ok,
Most "Vet" corps that do this are just crap players looking for easy kills and money. Never accept mutual war so they pay the bill the whole time.
Then you guys fly what you can and try and find their players alone. Our corp was dec'd with the assumption we were just industrialists. When we started scanning them down in missions and showing up with tackle, ewar, tank, dps they just never undocked. 1 week later war was over.
Point being, be a thorn in their side and it will be over fast. |
Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:42:00 -
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yer guess that trouble is thats what most of ours are, not got many fighting skills this has been going on for 2 weeks now...it's just legalized piracy...
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Jack Jomar
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:29:00 -
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I've only been through one of these once, and it was the reason I returned to the corp I'm in now.
Basically, do what the other posters have said. It does work. If necessary, call in some friends to wardec them back and see how they like it.
What we did was learn everything about our targets. We looked them up on the killboards they had (because these people seem to like killboards) and on any other killboards they appeared on, and checked any and all names in game to find out who/how many we could actually add to our lists.
With these targets listed, we started locating them, and checking their age, race, and so on to figure out what they did, what they might fly, how they would do things, and so on. Once we had all this information, and knew what we ourselves had, we set up attacks on their guys.
We picked our targets and attacked. We collected our corpse-trophies, and got rid of the dec, by letting them waste the isk for it.
Read and learn from the art of Sun Tzu.
"If you know yourself and you know your enemy, you will win every battle. If you know yourself but do not know your enemy, you victories and losses will be equal. If you do not know yourself and you do not know your enemy, you will likely lose every engagement."
Obviously that's slightly paraphrased, but still, the point stands. Gain intel on your targets. Knows what your pilots have. Make a plan. Kill them all.
Good luck.
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Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:41:00 -
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Guys, thanks for all your positive comments it's great to know there are people willing to help and we are not the only ones. We will do as you have said and hopefully they will learn their lesson. |
Sung Mina
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:41:00 -
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You can hire another corp to take care of your problem. REPO comes highly recommended
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Sung Mina
You can hire another corp to take care of your problem. REPO comes highly recommended
You can - but then you lose the learning experience AND have to pay for the privilege. Doing this now just sets you up to have to buy your way out of trouble again and again and again. EVE is a game of conflict, and its important for all corps to learn how to deal with it. Now I'm not saying never to do this, but in my opinion it's only worth it if you're doing horribly lucrative carebear stuff, such that being at war is costing you a billion ISK or more per week. In that case, hiring a merc corp to take care of it is sensible money. Simply hiring mercs because you don't like being at war and don't have much experience of combat is not.
Nothing against REPO or mercs in general, by the way - hell, I run what could be called a merc corp. I just think it's very important that people learn how to handle themselves (and there's some excellent advice in this thread). You can always fall back to the merc plan if, when you know yourself and your enemy, it turns out that you actually have little chance of victory (this is surprisingly rare).
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Sung Mina
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:12:00 -
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true, but most merc corps are more than happy to let you fly with them. saves ships, gives you a look at how a pvp corp is run. how to FC, how to pick targets... etc etc.. Especially against a noob corp vs. vet corp. Unless they are savants they'll prolly get thier butts handed to em till they decide to dock up for the rest of the dec  And that's no fun. Either way you'll learn. just depends on if you like it like this  or like this 
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sung Mina
true, but most merc corps are more than happy to let you fly with them. saves ships, gives you a look at how a pvp corp is run. how to FC, how to pick targets... etc etc.. Especially against a noob corp vs. vet corp. Unless they are savants they'll prolly get thier butts handed to em till they decide to dock up for the rest of the dec And that's no fun. Either way you'll learn. just depends on if you like it like this or like this
The OP most likely doesn't have the funds to hire any of the major Merc corps.
If the OP is interested in some merc corps, look around on the forums (crime and punishment) and try to find some merc corps who'll do it only for the wardec (i.e. 2-6M -> NOT ALLIANCES, alliance wardec fees are 200M -_-) although their quality cannot be guaranteed.
Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Khanto Thor
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:52:00 -
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First thing to do is create/log in an alt character.
Set the standing of the corp to -10 on your alts, then scout around. Your war targets will show up in local. Any that you see add them to your address book and share their names with your corp mates. You will now know when they are online.
Use your alts to scout around and ensure it is safe to enter systems, you can also use your alts to find single war targets that you feel confident of engaging and can provide a warp-in.
This is all useful practice for the future and far better then just sitting in station.
You can also use your alt/scout to provide an early warning if war targets enter an adjacent system to the one you are mining/ratting in.
also do not get complacent when ratting/missioning/mining as your war targets will also be using alts to find you! |
Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:00:00 -
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Cheers everyone for ur very useful comments. As said we are certainly not a rich corps. The wealth of valuable information coming in will help us to formulate a plan and at least not enter into this un knowing...please keep the help coming in and will update u all on whatever happens..cheers
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Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:15:00 -
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Sorry Khanto, how do you set the standing?
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Khanto Thor
also do not get complacent when ratting/missioning/mining as your war targets will also be using alts to find you!
If you're at war, you shouldn't be doing any of this, unless it's bait, and you have a squad ready to warp in at the first sign of trouble. |
Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rumpulstiltskin
how do you set the standing?
There's a few ways I do it, but they all amount to the same thing.
Firstly, open up People and Places, type in the corporation name, and hit Search (or whatever the button is called). In the results page, find the corp you're at war with, then right click their bar and select "Set standings".
Or, Show Info on one of the members of the corporation (either by seeing them in local chat, in space or be searching in People and Places), go to the Standings -> Relationship tab, and you should see an entry something like "From me to {Their Evil Corp Name}". Right click on this entry and you'll get the option to change the standings.
Finally you can again show info on a character, but this time click on their corp's icon which should be in the top right part of the window. This will take you to the corporation's info page, and you can use the "Set Standings" button at the bottom of the info window to set standings.
In all cases you are taken to a box with a slider that goes from -10 to +10, and will probably start at 0. You can type in a reason for the logs - this is purely internal (the enemy won't be able to see it - in fact they won't be able to see your standings towards them at all) but is good if months down the line you wonder why you set someone to -10.
Oh, and if you're a corp director you'll also probably get a pair of radio buttons, to switch between setting your own personal stsandings, and setting the corp's standings.
I hope I haven't overwhelmed you with the different methods available - they all do exactly the same thing, it's just a different route to how to get to that standings screen. Pick whichever one you feel is most intuitive and feel free to forget about the rest. |
Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:23:00 -
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Thanks a lot, yer lot of info but I'm sure I'll be able to follow.. |
Somal Thunder
Intergalactic Peace Organization
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:17:00 -
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Just disband your corp. It's survival of the fittest, and you NOW know that you have no chance in the future.
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Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:35:00 -
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Gee that was helpful thanks. Waste of money playing then would you say. Bit pointless.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.01.16 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Somal Thunder
Just disband your corp. It's survival of the fittest, and you NOW know that you have no chance in the future.
Pfft. Rather, they NOW know it's survival of the fittest, and can take steps to ensure their survival in future.
People come to the forums and ask for advice simply so they can do things in a different way to how they're doing them right now. I was once in the OP's position, as I'm sure many others will have been too. Some corps do crash and burn, but many pull together and learn to deal with the realities of EVE.
There's a difference between trying to deal with the situation and coming to the realisation that the corp doesn't have the ability - and just giving up. Even if it were true that these guys can't successfully fight back (which I by no means believe), they'll still learn a lot more from the failed attempt than they would from running away.
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Makko Gray
Gallente
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:52:00 -
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Go for guerilla tactics. Don't try and take on the enemy when they're grouped, instead grab a load of frigates and cruisers and fit some tackle and jam and hunt down those who stray from the pack. Don't try and take on anything too big and you might surprise yourselves, .hances are they'll spend most of their time doing their normally activities hoping to find you guys for a little pew pew. Give them enough of a sting and they'll soon think twice.
Other than that you could create an alt and create a dummy corp for your newer players to move to until the dec runs out. When I first started I thought this was slightly bad form, however I since found out a lot of pirates and PvP corps maintain industrial alts in seperate corps to support their war effort so it's a perfectly valid way of avoiding a war. Ultimately though war and combat are part of the course be you industrial, reseacher or whatever - so might as well use it as a learning experience.
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Khanto Thor
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:23:00 -
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Interested in how your war is going.... do you have an update?  |
ScaR97731
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rumpulstiltskin
Hi all,
I'm in a relatively small corp and we have been decced by a veteran curp using n0obs as bait. We have tried to contact them to see what the prob is and how it can be resolved but they will not answer us. What can we do about this as some of our newere players are now getting hacked off with the game because they can't go anywhere.
Oh the drama!!!!
You are a silly, silly person for even making this thread. Why don't you simply deny these bed-wetters their war? Why huh? Why?
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.01.21 10:10:00 -
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Ok, speaking as someone who's been on the other side of some of these wars in the past, you have multiple options:
If you are absolutely sure you can take them, get PvP ships and put up a fight. Give them some losses and you'll ruin their profits, so they'll probably cancel the war and move on to more profitable targets. However, if you aren't sure, don't even think about doing this. If you put up a fight and die horribly (like you probably will, if you don't have much PvP experience), you're just keeping them entertained and motivating them to keep the war up. And forget all that nonsense about cheap ships, if you fly cheap throwaway junk, you just guarantee that you're in the second scenario.
If you don't mind taking a break, just log off for a week, and they'll get bored and move on to better targets. Don't try to play evasive if you want to take this option, if you're logged in and undocked, you aren't going to be making any money (they'll disrupt your missions/mining/whatever), and you'll be dangling the bait right in front of them. Even if you manage to avoid all kills, they'll renew the war dec with visions of easy mission ganks in their minds.
If they've offered a ransom demand, you could always just pay it, after checking their reputation to see if they are likely to honor it. If they're honorable (or just practical enough to realize that dishonoring ransoms is bad for future profits), they'll disappear once they're paid.
If you can get a good deal on mercs, hire them to do your killing. A good merc corp will wreck their profit/loss ratio (see the first option), and motivate them to move on to more profitable targets. Of course you get the same risks here as doing it yourself, a bad merc corp will give them kills and continue the war, except now you've lost your merc fees.
If you want to be lame as hell, disband the corp and make it again. Then you can get petitioned for your incredible lameness, and hopefully banned. If you abandon the corp, have fun in the NPC corps.
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Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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TSAChaoticGhost
Caldari
Resistance is Futile
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Posted - 2009.01.21 10:14:00 -
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Send me a Eve mail in game i think a few in my corp be willing to join up with u guys for a lil fun. Need the rush of PVP every once in a While...
2nd thought these guys are right about frigs expendable and even if u lose 50 u kill 1 BC u made up cost difference.
Just Eve Mail me
Ghost
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Silv Talaran
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Silv Talaran on 21/01/2009 11:28:31
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
If you want to be lame as hell, disband the corp and make it again. Then you can get petitioned for your incredible lameness, and hopefully banned. If you abandon the corp, have fun in the NPC corps.
Thats what I'd do (well, not make it again, not right away anyway). I've seen this attitude on MUSHes and MUDs all the time. The bullies just love making out they are some higher form of life, the 'real players'. But at the end of the day they are still bullies, looking to dish it out to people who can't fight back.
You can get on your high horse when you pick on someone who can actually fight back.
And CCP aren't going to ban newbies who don't like being bullied if they are smart. I've seen that on MUDs/MUSHes as well. You'll end up with a game with no newbies at all, just a bunch of old bitter veterans who think they are something special. I don't see that being good for business. Or fun, which is the point of this pretendy spaceship game, right? |
Kitsumi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
If you don't mind taking a break, just log off for a week, and they'll get bored and move on to better targets. Don't try to play evasive if you want to take this option, if you're logged in and undocked, you aren't going to be making any money (they'll disrupt your missions/mining/whatever), and you'll be dangling the bait right in front of them. Even if you manage to avoid all kills, they'll renew the war dec with visions of easy mission ganks in their minds.
Or do what my old corp did when faced with this situation. Those comfortable with lowsec moved down the pipe and hung out with our lowsec pals. Oddly enough they never came down the pipe to come after us. Those who weren't comfortable with lowsec operations logged in to different stations and then went to watch a movie or something. What's more boring than a "easy target" corp that doesn't log in? One that logs in but doesn't undock. The one that never logs in frees up the wardeccing corp to do other things. The one that logs in but doesn't undock ties them up station camping.  |
Silv Talaran
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kitsumi
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
If you don't mind taking a break, just log off for a week, and they'll get bored and move on to better targets. Don't try to play evasive if you want to take this option, if you're logged in and undocked, you aren't going to be making any money (they'll disrupt your missions/mining/whatever), and you'll be dangling the bait right in front of them. Even if you manage to avoid all kills, they'll renew the war dec with visions of easy mission ganks in their minds.
Or do what my old corp did when faced with this situation. Those comfortable with lowsec moved down the pipe and hung out with our lowsec pals. Oddly enough they never came down the pipe to come after us. Those who weren't comfortable with lowsec operations logged in to different stations and then went to watch a movie or something. What's more boring than a "easy target" corp that doesn't log in? One that logs in but doesn't undock. The one that never logs in frees up the wardeccing corp to do other things. The one that logs in but doesn't undock ties them up station camping.
Right. Just don't play ball.
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Rumpulstiltskin
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:38:00 -
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Hi guys, first I want to thank all of you for the advice. Well we are still here. They renewed for another week but got bored and ended it early....
However, after another week we were decced again but another corp who we believe are friends of the original..had a long in game chat with one of them and some of the things they mentioned were a bit suspicious.
We were able to prepare ourselves a bit better and are not taking this on the chin...we will fight....bring it on!!!
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Tractus Vesica
Caldari
Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 25/02/2009 00:49:18
Do what I did when my former corp came under attack from a pure PvP corp that I knew would easily roll over us.
Become a turn coat and start feeding the other corp information for money. With any luck, your corp will collapse, you'll be rich, and those guys who attacked you will regard you as a friend. And if you do a thorough job like I did, you'll be able to loot the corp hangar and no one will ever know you were bad.
I found myself with 50 mil in equipment and ships, and about 25 mil in straight ISK.
*sighs*
Being a spy is nice.
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2009.02.25 02:07:00 -
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You betrayed your corp for 75m? That's just pathetic really...
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