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Lacolo Basema Caldari Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:58:00 - [1] I'll be able to fly a Onyx in a little while, so naturally I've been looking at a lot of setups for the ship. What bugs me the most is the fact that the ship is so damn hard to get cap stable. I've been able to make this cap stable setup though: [Onyx, Lowsec capstable] Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Just under 100k EHP, 667 Defence and capstable at only 43% with my skills. I've heard a lot of people saying the Broadsword is a lot better, so I thought I'd try the same setup on that seeing as it has the exact same slot layout. [Broadsword, Lowsec test] Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I What the hell? It has 110k EHP, 737 defence, and is capstable at 55%? The broadsword is also a bit faster, and has a slightly smaller signature radius. It also does more DPS at short ranges, where most of the fighting is going to be taking place. The broadsword is simply better in all ways it seems.
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:02:00 - [2] Edited by: PsychoBones Jr on 15/01/2009 10:03:55 Fit a propulsion mod. Edit: Do people really fit 80m worth of launchers on a ship who's primary role isn't DPS?
Lacolo Basema Caldari Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:06:00 - [3] Originally by: PsychoBones Jr Edited by: PsychoBones Jr on 15/01/2009 10:03:55 Fit a propulsion mod. Edit: Do people really fit 80m worth of launchers on a ship who's primary role isn't DPS? If you had noticed, this is for low sec, not 0.0. Thus, no prop mod. And no, I would never fit arby's on this ship.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:07:00 - [4] Fit a Damage Control. Stop fitting Shield Power Failays.
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:08:00 - [5] I'm confused as to why you wouldn't need a propulsion mod for lowsec. And yes, the Broadsword is better.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 15/01/2009 10:07:27 Fit a Damage Control. Stop fitting Shield Power Failays. Fit Extender rigs. FIT A MWD.
Lacolo Basema Caldari Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:14:00 - [7] Okay, so people don't seem to get what the topic is about, so I'll post the setups they want. [Onyx, Buffertank propmod] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I [Broadsword, Buffertanked] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruption Field Generator I 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I The Broadsword is STILL faster, has more cap, more EHP, and more defence.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:16:00 - [8] What are you trying to use your HIC for anyway? Is this for gatecamping, or what?
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:16:00 - [9] Yes, I already said the broadsword is better. What's your point?
Lacolo Basema Caldari Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Gypsio III What are you trying to use your HIC for anyway? Is this for gatecamping, or what? Very small roaming gangs, and gatecamps. I'd rather have something with more tank than a bit more EHP. It's not for fleet fights. Originally by: PsychoBones Jr Yes, I already said the broadsword is better. What's your point? How is this balanced? Other ships in eve always seem to be at least different, or better in slightly different ways. Here, one ships is just plain better at what it's supposed to do than the other. How is that balanced?
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:22:00 - [11] Edited by: PsychoBones Jr on 15/01/2009 10:22:03 Quote: Originally by: PsychoBones Jr Yes, I already said the broadsword is better. What's your point? How is this balanced? Other ships in eve always seem to be at least different, or better in slightly different ways. Here, one ships is just plain better at what it's supposed to do than the other. How is that balanced? The Drake is better than the Hurricane, the Raven is better than the Tempest. Not everything in Eve has to be perfectly balanced.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Gypsio III on 15/01/2009 10:28:57 Originally by: Lacolo Basema Originally by: Gypsio III What are you trying to use your HIC for anyway? Is this for gatecamping, or what? Very small roaming gangs, and gatecamps. I'd rather have something with more tank than a bit more EHP. It's not for fleet fights. Well, I'd advise using different fits for each purpose. A gatecamp HIC wants rapid lock, with web and scrambler being nice extras. A roaming HIC... well... I'm not sure why I'd take a HIC roaming in lowsec, so I don't know how I'd fit it.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Lacolo Basema How is this balanced? Other ships in eve always seem to be at least different, or better in slightly different ways. Here, one ships is just plain better at what it's supposed to do than the other. How is that balanced? look at the thanatos and the nid, or the revelation and the naglafar, or the mega and the tempest, or the curse and the lachesis. in some cases some ships are just plain better than the others. but you didnt look at range, or cost. why not?
Lacolo Basema Caldari Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Xennith Originally by: Lacolo Basema How is this balanced? Other ships in eve always seem to be at least different, or better in slightly different ways. Here, one ships is just plain better at what it's supposed to do than the other. How is that balanced? look at the thanatos and the nid, or the revelation and the naglafar, or the mega and the tempest, or the curse and the lachesis. in some cases some ships are just plain better than the others. but you didnt look at range, or cost. why not? Range, because the HIC is designed to be engaging enemies within a small area, where it's warp disruption works. Costs.. Valid point I guess, but cost changes all the time, and the ships don't. The Curse and Lachesis have vastly different bonuses, intended to fill different roles. The same with the Mega and the Tempest. I can't speak for the caps. The HIC's however, are intended to fill the exact same role. Tank damage and stop the enemy from warping.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:55:00 - [15] all ships are created equal, some more equal than others. things get nerfed and buffed around a bit, perhaps in a few weeks time the onyx will be better than the broadsword? eve is not perfectly balanced, but its tending in that direction.
RazluP Ergo Abstergo	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:00:00 - [16] balance? oh great lets all be caldari and fly drakes and ravens... uhm no thx
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:09:00 - [17] The Broad is better all-around than the Onyx - mostly cause of these amarr gankers - tho it's a close call as both of these are very good - especially when remotely Sensor Boosted :) On the DPS department, the Onyx is way more "reliable" than the Broadsword: tho paper dps might seam lower, a HAM Onyx will out-gank a Broad anytime IMHO - just like the average HAM-Drake will outgank a Hurricane against the average (large) target, as getting into optimal with all missile boats is a reliable process, unlike doing so with ACs. This means nothing really, and is totally depended on the situation...DPS means "nothing" unless you are dedicated to it: a Raven might be good anti-support with cruise and a BS-pwning beast up close with torps, tho the utility slots on a Tempest help it shine in small gank situations better - the underutilization of some ships is not always a sign of weakness. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Shate Def The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:12:00 - [18] sensor boosters!? or are u relying o beeing remote boosted? u want one preferably two sensor boosters with sig res scripts. lows: 4xshield power relays mid: 2xsensor booster 1xmagnetic scattering amplifier 3xlarge shield extender high: warp disruption thingy 5x hams probably, but irrelevant rly rigs: 2xpurger rigs
NoNah	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Xennith look at the thanatos and the nid, or the revelation and the naglafar, or the mega and the tempest, or the curse and the lachesis. in some cases some ships are just plain better than the others. but you didnt look at range, or cost. why not? Well sure, the thanatos is poor. But to say the nid is plain better is stretching it a bit, I mean it does have it's roles for hauling or even station games for those that enjoy. You have a point in the nidhoggur being better in general, but there are situations where the thanatos can atleast level the field. Same with the mega and tempest, the mega did get struck by the Quantum Rise nerf but it's still a decent ship. It won't have the versatility of the pest, but if you can get it into the very narrow situation it does well, it does it well. It's not plain worse. Curse is however plainly better than the lachesis. No, they don't fill the same role, but the Curse is unique in it's role and the lachesis is poor and bad in hers. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 216652
kyrv	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:20:00 - [20] I had a very effective onyx take out my hauler of three wcs in 0.4 it was a gate camp the others warped in after. So role for gate camp lots of warp disruptors =)
NoNah	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:27:00 - [21] Originally by: kyrv I had a very effective onyx take out my hauler of three wcs in 0.4 it was a gate camp the others warped in after. So role for gate camp lots of warp disruptors =) Not sure why you'd need more than one per target, when they have a strength of 9+ each.. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 381298
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:27:00 - [22] Originally by: kyrv I had a very effective onyx take out my hauler of three wcs in 0.4 it was a gate camp the others warped in after. So role for gate camp lots of warp disruptors =) lolwut
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:32:00 - [23] Wait a sec... could you actually have more than one infinipoint active and tackle several targets?
NoNah	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:37:00 - [24] Originally by: P'uck Wait a sec... could you actually have more than one infinipoint active and tackle several targets? Of course.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:43:00 - [25] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: P'uck Wait a sec... could you actually have more than one infinipoint active and tackle several targets? Of course. DOH never realised that. time to change my fits lawl
PsychoBones Jr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: NoNah Originally by: P'uck Wait a sec... could you actually have more than one infinipoint active and tackle several targets? Of course. DOH never realised that. time to change my fits lawl Why the hell did NONE of us realize this? They've been out for what? at least a year?
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:58:00 - [27] Originally by: PsychoBones Jr Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: NoNah Originally by: P'uck Wait a sec... could you actually have more than one infinipoint active and tackle several targets? Of course. DOH never realised that. time to change my fits lawl Why the hell did NONE of us realize this? They've been out for what? at least a year? What? Will you also discover that ppl use dual-focused-scripted HICs to dual-tackle super capitals in massive fights? Don't tell me that you will fit NOSes to them too in order to Neut proof em a bit too? OMG...omg...omg... AND WHAT ABOUT WEAPONS? WON'T MY HIC BE A DMG DEALER? What a hit for my gankmates... Seriously, dual gens are nice on HICs, even in low sec roams. Huge gates post QR have weakened em a bit tho -
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:04:00 - [28] [Broadsword, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Enough buffer and DPS to happily gank anything up to noob BCs under sentries. [Broadsword, Group] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption Warp Disruption Field Generator I 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Relies on remote boosts, just get a noob in a Drake to join your camp and you're laughing. Permatanks sentires in a group of 2 or more. Scram can be switched out for a web or w/e. You will normally be the first person to get a lock on and sticking the scram on should prevent them MWDing back to the gate if you have a rapier in tow as well. MWD is pretty much mandatory, number of times I've jumped through a gate after a target and landed a few k out of range= lots, also helps with escaping. Two points for multiple targets, you're not there to do DPS. BTW buffer on a HIC is always better than passive recharge/rep amount. Ref the broadsword being better, it has the advantage of pretty much having an omni shield tank to start with whereas the Onyx has that glaring EM hole.
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:33:00 - [29] Originally by: PsychoBones Jr Why the hell did NONE of us realize this? They've been out for what? at least a year? Because there are several mods out there of which only one at a time can be activated. And subconsciously, you have to admit, the generator kinda feels like one of those mods. Moms say it's special.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:11:00 - [30] Aye tank and 'speed' is better on the sword. I know the ship is not meant for dps but the onyx has much better range and has the option of ammo flavour as well as precision missiles. The sword also has a slightly better scan res..., which is intersting considering caldari are meant to be the electronic wizards. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:19:00 - [31] So, what's the conclusion of this thread? 1.) Onyx and broadsword are different ships or 2.) Each race has good and bad ships or 3.) ~~Nerf~~ boost onyx or 4.) ~~Boost~~ nerf broadsword?
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:35:00 - [32] I would point out that fitting long range weapons to the Onyx and short range weapons to the Broadsword is going to skew your DPS calculations somewhat. Does the Onyx with HAMLs outdo the Broadsword significantly on the sort of targets where it makes a significant difference? -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:43:00 - [33] they are so close that it doesnt matter, an onyx pilot isnt going to train a new race and weapon system for a sliver of difference. cadlari missile jockeys will like the go slow and spit misisles of the onyx minmaturds will like to go fast and shoot their uzi's
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr So, what's the conclusion of this thread? 1.) Onyx and broadsword are different ships or 2.) Each race has good and bad ships or 3.) ~~Nerf~~ boost onyx or 4.) ~~Boost~~ nerf broadsword? Or 5.) Fail fittings lead to wrong conclusions. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.

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