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Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:11:00 -
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Hello everyone,
I am in a Drake now & doing Lvl 3s very easily. At the moment I am using Heavy missiles. My question is before I spend time to train Heavy Missiles to lvl 5 to be able to use T2;
Is this the right route for Lvl 4s or should I be using Heavy Assault Missiles instead?
I have read alot on these forums & they are helpful, but I see both setups being used. The only thing that I think I might understand is Heavys are better for PvE & Heavy Assaults are better for PvP.
Thanks for your help,
Kyt
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:14:00 -
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You've answered your own question about which to train for level 4 mission running:
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Heavys are better for PvE & Heavy Assaults are better for PvP.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:19:00 -
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Neither.
While both can do level 4's it will look more like chinese watertorture than massacres. It doesn't really matter wether you're using sal****er or distilled to replace your weapons.
If you want to do level 4's, go for some kind of weapon that deals damage instead of catalyze wallpaint drying procedures. Missions are boring enough as they are. |
Khanid Goo
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:25:00 -
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Heavy Missiles have better range whilst the heavy assault missiles have more DPS, less range and take up more of the spaceships powergrid.
For better tanking (you are going to need it for lvl 4 missions) I would go for the normal heavy missiles but even with the best named reps you are going to find level 4 missions hard in a drake. |
Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:35:00 -
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So, what I am hearing & have read on the forums is that it is possible to do lvl 4s in a Drake and I have actually have done some with a few friends that had BSs. But that solo it would take a long time & not be worth it.
So should I go to a Raven then for solo lvl 4s? I have read that they got nerfed somewhat & are not as good as they were in the past, but it still seems that they can handle lvl 4s well.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kyt Thrace
So, what I am hearing & have read on the forums is that it is possible to do lvl 4s in a Drake and I have actually have done some with a few friends that had BSs. But that solo it would take a long time & not be worth it.
So should I go to a Raven then for solo lvl 4s? I have read that they got nerfed somewhat & are not as good as they were in the past, but it still seems that they can handle lvl 4s well.
Not that much has changed. But yes, definately. It's not as much as a drake can't do them, it can do them, very much so - it's just that it's to horribly slow at doing them. Prior to quantum rise they were barely even justifiable for level 3's.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:26:00 -
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If you want to use HMLs in level 4 missions, train Command Ships and fly a Nighthawk. I hear it's really good for level 4s. |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Neither.
While both can do level 4's it will look more like chinese watertorture than massacres. It doesn't really matter wether you're using sal****er or distilled to replace your weapons.
If you want to do level 4's, go for some kind of weapon that deals damage instead of catalyze wallpaint drying procedures. Missions are boring enough as they are.
Ive tried level IVs with a heavy missile Drake with 3x Ballistic controls and a cruise raven with 3x ballistic controls. I was actually finishing the missions faster with the drake.
Even though I get more dps from cruise missiles, I was destroying cruisers and frigs much much faster with the heavy missiles than I would with drones on a cruise raven.
Not to mention the Drake tanks pretty nice cheaply and effortlessly, whereas a Raven has to compromise its tank with a target painter, and missile rigs.
Facing BS rats fury missiles were doing the job quite nicely.
I don't hardcore mission run so maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't see why I would choose cruise missiles over heavy missiles these days. |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:35:00 -
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OP - yes heavy missiles to V is totally worth it.
When you shoot BS rats you can switch to fury missiles which do even more damage to them than faction missiles (at a fraction of the cost).
Precision missiles can be a good choice vs 'tackler' NPC frigs.
T2 heavies also cost a fraction of the arbalest heavies. I think the LIMOS launchers compare price wise, but performance between the two is pretty large.
If you get into pvp - the Caldari T2 missile ships really make great use of heavy missiles (Cerb, Nighthawk, Rook). |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kyt Thrace
So, what I am hearing & have read on the forums is that it is possible to do lvl 4s in a Drake and I have actually have done some with a few friends that had BSs. But that solo it would take a long time & not be worth it.
So should I go to a Raven then for solo lvl 4s? I have read that they got nerfed somewhat & are not as good as they were in the past, but it still seems that they can handle lvl 4s well.
A well-equipped Drake can do L4's faster than an average-equipped Raven of similar SPs any day as long as you depart from the passive shielding paradigm. Getting a Raven/CNR to overcome a good Drake in terms of effective DPS (i.e. not EFT DPS) takes some additional time in skills (mainly drones, but also others). My Drake got 400 DPS while tanking all L4's without warping out, and was averaging 26 mil/hour running L4's. My NH is much better of course, but the Drake did very well regardless.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Ive tried level IVs with a heavy missile Drake with 3x Ballistic controls and a cruise raven with 3x ballistic controls. I was actually finishing the missions faster with the drake.
Even though I get more dps from cruise missiles, I was destroying cruisers and frigs much much faster with the heavy missiles than I would with drones on a cruise raven.
Not to mention the Drake tanks pretty nice cheaply and effortlessly, whereas a Raven has to compromise its tank with a target painter, and missile rigs.
Facing BS rats fury missiles were doing the job quite nicely.
I don't hardcore mission run so maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't see why I would choose cruise missiles over heavy missiles these days.
I can't state that I'm any hardcore missionrunner either. Nor can I state that I have any clue why people used Cruise missiles pre-qr - for missions.
The big difference drake <-> raven comes in drone bay and utility slots. The Raven can fit a smartbomb without sweating, while using cruise, the drake can never. Having compared times with a bunch of HML ships the result tends to be the same, there's very little point in using either for missions, as mentioned the Raven (used) to outspeed the Drake even for level 3's at the time and skillevel. |
Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:08:00 -
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Wow thanks for the replys and advice,
I do really like the look of the Nighthawk and the fact that it is a command ship which would help fleet members out in combat. This is the way I would like to go, but it is a long way off for me. That is why I would like to max my skills in the Drake, but I also want to be able to do lvl 4s well by myself if need be. Glad to hear that people think the Drake can do it with the right skills & mods/ammo. Knowing what works is the most important thing in this game.
A Raven would not take long for me to be in ~2 weeks, but I would have to work on support skills to make it effective & this would just prolong my goal of a Nighthawk.
My ultimate goal is to get into the Nighthawk for PvE (making isk)& getting a jump clone to fly a HAC(Cerberus) or AF for PvP. I am looking at the faster route there & with a Raven it would throw me off track for awhile.
That is why a think sticking with one missle type (Heavy) would be better for now. Yes it does limit my character in depth, but I do plan on playing for years to come & maybe CCP will help out the Caldari in the future.
Thanks again for everyones help & advice,
Keep it coming on the pros & cons of this path that I am beginging down.
Kyt
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pausert
Caldari
AFK
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:32:00 -
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You should train up to T2 HML this will add some extra dps and also T2 drones (hobs), they help a lot with frigates. The Nighthawk because of its bonuses is an excellant PVE boat which can easily do LVL 4 (use the standard HML, passive tank setup)but requires a lot of SP. The Nighthawk is a poor PVP ship due to lack of grid so just use a Drake for PVP.
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Soporo
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:16:00 -
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Yeah, don't forget your T2 Drones, but just stay with your racials for now.
Hornet II's specifically. Especially if you're staying in Drake (5 lights) then Cerb (no drones at all) and eventually Nighthawk (5 lights).
They do good damage and are resonably fast.
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