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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.16 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Epegi Givo on 16/01/2009 04:44:27
There is one section of EVE that makes it very unique, and very awesome. why this system was never brought to its full potential I will never know. Wondering what system I am talking about? You guessed right, the Stock Market.
One problem with EVE is how the stock market is not the way a real stock market should be, with dividends payed and stock actually being worth something.
You can buy a share from a corp and never profit, because corporations have no obligation to pay their shareholders anything.
here is what I propose, whenever something gets put into the corp wallet(except direct donations) then that ISK is split among all the shareholders.
For example, lets say there is a corp that has 100,000 shares. Someone bought 100 of those shares (1/1000th of the overall shares) and the corp is holding the rest of the shares. The corp has a 10% tax rate, and a person in the corp kills a 1,000,000 isk rat. 10% of that isk (100,000) gets given to the corp in taxes. then that 100,000 gets split between all the shares, 99,900 of that isk going to the corp, and 100 of that isk going to the person who bought 100 shares.
Also make shares contract able, so they are scam-proof.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:21:00 -
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noone has anything to say about this? |
Owin Forsyth
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:50:00 -
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Or maybe, rather than having player corps in a stock market, a stock market could be comprised of NPC corps. NPC Corps could be a lot more transparent that players corps so the information would be more reliable. You can already see the 'market activity' of NPC corps and I am not sure why this information is available. Does it have a purpose?
But anyway, we already have Eve Chronicles and Eve News. What if these events had financial ramifications for the NPC Corps? What if we had Financial News that affected NPC Corps? Like, Lai Dai lost 10 transport ships hauling some expensive T2 blueprints (or whatever) in a 0.4 system.
There are a lot possibilities when having a stock market comprised of NPC Corps. I would prefer investing in a NPC Stock Market rather than a player stock market.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.16 23:33:00 -
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hows about both? NPC stock AND player stock. |
Alexander Vallen
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:28:00 -
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What about Stock fraud? A corp selling stock and then immediately dispanding?
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.17 03:55:00 -
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well people would probably only buy stocks from well-established corps. and once a corp does stock fraud you know to never buy stock from that CEO again. |
Red 7
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Posted - 2009.01.17 10:22:00 -
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If there was an associated interface built around it - then you'd be able to do things like:
See who the directors are, their char age, previous directorships, etc
Look at market volumes, profit/loss, previous dividend payouts, etc
All of which help deal with stock fraud.
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Master Han
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2009.01.17 10:31:00 -
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I think the shares should serve a better purpose than voting.
A % of each sale on the market or contract should be split between all shareholders. The corp could set the %, same as it for corp taxes. |
xVx dreadnaught
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Posted - 2009.01.17 10:55:00 -
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You could probly make that buying shares in NPC corps would increase your standings (or rate that you inflate your standings buy a %)
And Investments of play owned corps, you would have a share price increased based on sov. (expansion/deflation) or there general profit from trade. Calculating there gain/loss of ships. Prices would go up if a corp joins an alliance. It could drop if they lose alot of memebers. Or crash if they get kicked out of an alliance.
I think it would be fun :P
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Epegi Givo on 17/01/2009 22:11:40
 Originally by: xVx dreadnaught
You could probly make that buying shares in NPC corps would increase your standings (or rate that you inflate your standings buy a %)
And Investments of play owned corps, you would have a share price increased based on sov. (expansion/deflation) or there general profit from trade. Calculating there gain/loss of ships. Prices would go up if a corp joins an alliance. It could drop if they lose alot of memebers. Or crash if they get kicked out of an alliance.
I think it would be fun :P
are you suggesting the share prices be automatically set? because I don't think that would work very well. An NPC corp shares should have system where they change in value. And the part of shares increasing standings is interesting, maybe that can be a way of getting a corp standing high enough so you could run missions for them again.
Also, another thing to discuss. How many shares should a single NPC corp have?
I am thinking unlimited, but the more shares you buy the more expensive each one becomes.
what I am saying is like you buy 100 shares, each costs 100k each. then after that they start becoming 1 mil each, and increasing to 10 mil each at 200 shares.
And for NPC corps you just get a set amount paid out to you every so often.
However I don't think NPC corps should be trade able between players, because that would be too abusable. |
Epegi Givo
Amarr
Demon Theory
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:36:00 -
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nothing else to hammer out with this idea? |
eliminator2
Gallente
Young Enterprise
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 20:59:00 -
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well corps/allainces might not like the idea of some1 buying loads of there shares and making easy money of there earnings that they need.
or maybe corps are just satified with the way it all is?
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:56:00 -
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I don't have alot to say other than voicing my support for expanding and making a more robust stock market. NPC ideas are interesting.
How would they be affected? IE: what would affect the NPC shares prices?
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
or maybe corps are just satified with the way it all is?
Doubt it. I'd say it has more to do with the fact it's not the most user friendly of things. No (decent) ingame tools for trading, AFAIK.
Anyways, I'm definitely not satisfied with it atm.
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:27:00 -
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I tried to fix the stock market one time, but the SEC didn't like it.
I would love to see an official in game stock market.
it could add a whole new kind of pvp, can you imagine adding hostile takeovers to alliance warfare. |
Epegi Givo
Amarr
Demon Theory
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.20 05:27:00 -
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I still think you should be able to sell stock normally, like a corp can refuse to sell a certain amount of stock. And if you sell all of your stock, then maybe you shouldn't have gotten carried away.
But it would be an interesting kind of PvP. get an Alt in an alliance, buy as much stock as you can, and once you get enough, make that Alt the CEO of the alliance. Then you do whatever you want to said alliance.
Maybe it should be something like 50% of all profits go to shares, the other 50% to the shareholders.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Demon Theory
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.21 05:29:00 -
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nothing else to hammer out? |
Crussoin
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo
You can buy a share from a corp and never profit, because corporations have no obligation to pay their shareholders anything.
And this differs from the real stock market how? 
To grossly simplify... The stock market in the real world "works" today because of endless regulations pertaining to trading and corporate governance. Also, ownership, management, and employees have their rights, obligations, and interests checking and balancing each other to make the whole thing function. EVE simply can't make its stock market work anywhere near how you think it should because it can't simulate or enforce the underlying social, economic, or legal frameworks on which it must be based to do so.
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Kal Shanai
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Crussoin
Originally by: Epegi Givo
You can buy a share from a corp and never profit, because corporations have no obligation to pay their shareholders anything.
And this differs from the real stock market how?
To grossly simplify... The stock market in the real world "works" today because of endless regulations pertaining to trading and corporate governance. Also, ownership, management, and employees have their rights, obligations, and interests checking and balancing each other to make the whole thing function. EVE simply can't make its stock market work anywhere near how you think it should because it can't simulate or enforce the underlying social, economic, or legal frameworks on which it must be based to do so.
The legal framework would be the easy part, since a rule programmed into the game cant broken or circumvented. And if someoen succeeds to do so, thats an exploit, and that player gets the banhammer shoved up where the shadow of the valley of death lies. :P
And to make a simplified version of a working stock market is perfectly within the grasp of CCP. It will be really simplified of course, as it should be made available not only to people who actually knows how the real stockmarket works. A stockmarket light, of sorts. |
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