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Denidil Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:54:00 - [1] I went to no less than SEVEN regions today that are NPC faction owned Tash-Murkon, Kor-Azor, Domain, Devoid, Khanid, Kador, and The Bleak Lands Every single assembly line in every single facility to do Material Research as occupied... this is stupidly outrageous, the shortest time to availability I saw was 7 days, most of the more popular regions like Tash Murkon the earliest available is 21 days. I know where some are available but they're in player alliance owned outposts in 0.0 and much more expensive to use, and I don't want to do them for my first researches on items that are fairly cheap - getting ME 10 on these BPs in these facilities would take me probably between 200k and 400k units to break even on. is there ANYWHERE in high security space that isn't this way, or are people who don't have the time to camp these facilities every moment of the day just screwed....
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Warrio on 16/01/2009 05:09:08 By current estimates there are 12,397,898,707,287,139,721,973,921,932 hi-sec research corps who will put ME on your BPOs for you. They are pretty good value and most of them are very reliable. Go to the blueprints channel in-game and start spamming. Also, nobody camps hi-sec research stations. The concept of the "queue" eliminates the need for camping. sXe
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:08:00 - [3] Throw up a high sec research tower. Problem: Solved. --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Throw up a high sec research tower. Problem: Solved. Judging by the nature of the OPs post and the information he gave of the blueprints I find it unlikely that he has the ISK, knowledge or standing required to carry out your suggestion. sXe
Denidil Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:13:00 - [5] Edited by: Denidil on 16/01/2009 05:13:29 Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Throw up a high sec research tower. Problem: Solved. Judging by the nature of the OPs post and the information he gave of the blueprints I find it unlikely that he has the ISK, knowledge or standing required to carry out your suggestion. wow someone with common sense unlike everyone in the blueprints channel nail on the head .. account age <3 months oh and i didn't know you could queue installations until now :P
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:54:00 - [6] Get in queue like the rest of us that dont own a POS.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:57:00 - [7] Denidil, send me a message if you want research services.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.16 06:20:00 - [8] Edited by: Warrio on 16/01/2009 06:20:20 Originally by: Denidil Edited by: Denidil on 16/01/2009 05:13:29 Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Throw up a high sec research tower. Problem: Solved. Judging by the nature of the OPs post and the information he gave of the blueprints I find it unlikely that he has the ISK, knowledge or standing required to carry out your suggestion. wow someone with common sense unlike everyone in the blueprints channel nail on the head .. account age <3 months oh and i didn't know you could queue installations until now :P In addition to all this: If you are getting your BPO researched by someone for a fee there is only one (1) way to do it. Contract the BPO to them for NPC MARKET PRICE and not a ISK less. Then, have them contract the BPO back to you once researched for market price + research costs as agreed prior to handing over the BPO. Read every contract carefully. If you need to, make an alt and set up a contract of the same type to your character so you know what everything should look like. "Loans", "Freeform" and other such rubbish are not worth your time and if researchers are demanding these types of contracts then find someone else. If you get your hands on a T2 BPO then get learning about POSs because you don't give them away to nobody for any reason at all. sXe
Kara Rhane Gallente Rhane's Research and Development Labs.	Posted - 2009.01.16 08:09:00 - [9] This is exactly why we started selling 'pre-researched sets' 2 years ago. Even back then you had to go out to solitude to find available lab slots and it just wasn't worth it for a majority of tech 1 prints. My corp was the first to offer pre-researched (aka no wait time) but we certainly NOT the first corp to offer research services to the community. I know most ppl hate the idea of a wait, so we keep our store stocked (if possible) and instead of having to deal with the whole trust issue people just search our list and get what they want as soon as we see the message or as soon as the sets come out of the labs. There are tons of copy cats of course, but that's fine, there are tons of players in EVE and many have industrial alts. If you ask in the blue print channel like warrio suggested there are usually a good deal of people who can offer you what you want already researched. If not there is a sticky in the top of the Sell Orders forum which lists 'active' stores. While I might not know everyone on that list, I do believe the majority to be a decent lot and will be able to get your research done for you in a timely fashion. Until the day CCP lets player corps 'add facilities' to existing stations I doubt we'll ever see anywhere near the amount of research slots we need in this game. Good thing alot of players have decide to step in and fill that gap however.
Emporia Tzard	Posted - 2009.01.16 10:44:00 - [10] Go to lowsec. Blueprints are tiny which means you can set up a small, fast, virtually untouchable ship. I use a Rifter with 3 x Inertia Stabs which aligns in 1.9 seconds. I'd be amazed if it ever gets caught in a gatecamp (although you have to be wary of Smartbombers). You could even add a MWD and cloak if you're really paranoid.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Denidil oh and i didn't know you could queue installations until now :P Believe it or not 3 years ago, you couldn't. There was no queue, there were simply all slots, full (rented like offices - but initially without their prices going up). You simply could not do research, nor could you anchor POS's in highsec. Now you can wait 7 days, go to lowsec (this is what I did 2.5 years ago after the queue was introduced - very low wait times were had and the risk was not substantial in a non-afk shuttle/frig). Or you can join research alliances and use other people's slots, or put up your own POS... so so many options ! People have it so easy these days, really.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Emporia Tzard Go to lowsec. Blueprints are tiny which means you can set up a small, fast, virtually untouchable ship. I use a Rifter with 3 x Inertia Stabs which aligns in 1.9 seconds. I'd be amazed if it ever gets caught in a gatecamp (although you have to be wary of Smartbombers). You could even add a MWD and cloak if you're really paranoid. Even those are starting to fill up. at least around me. I blame faction warfare. it seems that most of the camps have shifted well away from the entrances to low sec.
Kordel Trask	Posted - 2009.01.18 02:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Kordel Trask on 18/01/2009 02:04:50 Sorry, wrong thread. Disregard thispose.
Rodrigo Talavera	Posted - 2009.01.18 04:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: Denidil oh and i didn't know you could queue installations until now :P Believe it or not 3 years ago, you couldn't. There was no queue, there were simply all slots, full (rented like offices - but initially without their prices going up). You simply could not do research, nor could you anchor POS's in highsec. Now you can wait 7 days, go to lowsec (this is what I did 2.5 years ago after the queue was introduced - very low wait times were had and the risk was not substantial in a non-afk shuttle/frig). Or you can join research alliances and use other people's slots, or put up your own POS... so so many options ! People have it so easy these days, really. Yeah, those were stupid times. The Queue is great. Until they let corp rent out their research slots on their pos then we'll see this system of waiting.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:42:00 - [15] A lot of low sec stations have times over 20 days or significantly more in popular regions.. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:19:00 - [16] Plenty of 0 wait times in Curse and Stain last I looked for copying and ME research. Granted, you'll need to fly a covops or blockade runner with a covops cloak and have a second account to scout with -- but 0 wait time and 8.33 isk/hour makes it attractive for low value BPOs.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.19 11:41:00 - [17] There is plenty of space in the ZZZ POSes for ME research and you don't have to leave empire hi-sec to use them. You can join ZZZ with your corp and use the ME slots that are shared to the alliance for a fee. Your BPOs remain secure inside your corp hangar. You can join the Bring Me Sunshine corp with one of your alts and use both corp-owned and alliance-owned ME slots for a fee. Your BPOs remain inside your own division inside the Bring Me Sunshine corp where only you and I have access to them. You can convo me and we can come to an arrangment for the secure research of your BPOs at one of my facilities using my max-skilled alts for a fee. A little light research should eliminate any security or trust concerns you might have with me handling your BPOs. I handle many billions in other people's assets daily.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:51:00 - [18] Research in NPC slots is so cheap, I wonder if people put stuff in there just to fill them all up. --------------------
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.20 04:43:00 - [19] Originally by: nether void Research in NPC slots is so cheap, I wonder if people put stuff in there just to fill them all up. That would be pointless. But since I have about 45 unused research slots on my datacore alts why not throw a bunch of low value BPOs in to research while those accounts hibernate?
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:24:00 - [20] Well for starters they mentioned a while back that they want to nip all ghosting in the bud when they nerfed Ghost skill training. (Ie no more free RP stockpiling, or setting up a mass R&D/prod runs then going off for a few weeks) but it would take a bit more work on the Dbase side to fix thoes than simply turning off the free training.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:25:00 - [21] actualy come to think of it how many slots do you think are simply backloged with cancled accounts?
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Raymon James actualy come to think of it how many slots do you think are simply backloged with cancled accounts? well it will take a lot of money to do so as you can only done 30days [or one level of ME for BIG prints] per slot .. so with 1 account trained max you can hold 33 lab slots for 1 month - or if you have 33 capital prints maybe 2 months - not even a stations worth
Abigail101	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:42:00 - [23] Originally by: nether void Research in NPC slots is so cheap, I wonder if people put stuff in there just to fill them all up. That's what people used to do pre - queue days just to keep slots for their own use between "meaningful" research. When you see a bpc with insane ME, that's probably the case. The problem was, if you tried to do the honourable thing and release a slot when you were done, it either got hogged or taken over by real estate entrepreneurs.

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