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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:02:00 -
[271]
 Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 killratio
Give proof or shut up.
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:02:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 killratio
Give proof or shut up.
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:17:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Walking Contradiction
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 killratio
Give proof or shut up.
another FA alt working the forums... wow
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:17:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Walking Contradiction
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 killratio
Give proof or shut up.
another FA alt working the forums... wow
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:29:00 -
[275]
Edited by: HC MasiEEE on 31/07/2004 01:33:33
Originally by: Mark A
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 ratio 
Let me see some kill mails my friend, then i can believe you. For now
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HC MasiEEE
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:29:00 -
[276]
Edited by: HC MasiEEE on 31/07/2004 01:33:33
Originally by: Mark A
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
3:1 ratio
Let me see some kill mails my friend, then i can believe you. For now
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HC MasiEEE
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:31:00 -
[277]
I'd also like to see the evidence for that because I've heard vastly different.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:31:00 -
[278]
I'd also like to see the evidence for that because I've heard vastly different.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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ZeaL dRaGoN
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:50:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
Its not even funny anymore how some ppl lay down the facts. I could go into detail, but im to tired now. Only two questions: When did u join the fight(s)? In the beginning or in the last 3min?
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ZeaL dRaGoN
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:50:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
Its not even funny anymore how some ppl lay down the facts. I could go into detail, but im to tired now. Only two questions: When did u join the fight(s)? In the beginning or in the last 3min?
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Kibachaan
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:52:00 -
[281]
Still no evidence. Not even a screenshot with some kill mail.
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Kibachaan
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Posted - 2004.07.31 01:52:00 -
[282]
Still no evidence. Not even a screenshot with some kill mail.
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Mark A
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:52:00 -
[283]
Edited by: Mark A on 31/07/2004 04:03:08
Originally by: ZeaL dRaGoN
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
Its not even funny anymore how some ppl lay down the facts. I could go into detail, but im to tired now. Only two questions: When did u join the fight(s)? In the beginning or in the last 3min?
The whole thing. In fact I started the ball rolling by scouting the 6-10 station and locking up one of the 2 SA bships there, after which it all kicked off as both fleets warped in. I think we only lost 3-4 bships, so it's not hard to imagine at least that ratio. I saw many more SA go down. Let's compromise and call it 2:1, which is only average. We did lose a whole load of frigs and a few cruisers, but then so did both sides. We would have killed more but we ran out of tacklers towards the end and lots of SA warped out just before going down. I don't have the SA killmails myself as I was tackling, guess someone could collate them. If you reckon you killed more bships, post the killmails you got.
You're offense was ineffective - it looked like you were using a lot of short-range heavy hitters, but you never got near enough for that to work. I think that's why our frigs/cruisers took such a beating, as they they were the only ones to get into your optimal range. Plus our EW was much better. Zeal, you tanked very effectively which is why you weren't targetted that much BTW. When your extra 50 ship reinforcement fleet showed up we bailed - we only had a gang of 25 and there was 107 in local towards the end. Well done with out-blobbing us. Oh I was on my alt BTW, 'Markafokker'.
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Mark A
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:52:00 -
[284]
Edited by: Mark A on 31/07/2004 04:03:08
Originally by: ZeaL dRaGoN
Originally by: Mark A
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Mark A
My theory is the decent PvPers tend to gank the more unsuspecting members of the opposite side, at least most of the time.
Yep.
And most people posting here don't have a clue that their n00b allies has lost loads of ships.
Originally by: Mark A
In straight CA vs. SA fleet battles we usually win (but props to SA for a good fight always).
Heh.
*flamefest starts now*
No, you don't.
I can assure you we've won very many battles, pretty much everyone I've been in.
Why you usually are in a winning CA fleet is because of your tactics.
Your C4 fleets usually use lots of EW and at very long range. And with dual MWD fitted on many of your battleships. And you never attack. It's almost always SA jumping or warping in on your excellent defensive positions (+ initial lag spike for us).
Your tactics are good, they work excellent, but they are BORING. Extremely boring.
I guess that's a fair criticism. Although like you said it's works so is it just good tactics? Also it depends what you count as a win - in tonight's battle in HLW SA might say that they won as they eventually outnumbered us 4:1 and we had to bail to a safespot. However CA might take the line that up to that point we had an approx 3:1 bship kill ratio, and that's what counts. So it all depends on your point of view...
Its not even funny anymore how some ppl lay down the facts. I could go into detail, but im to tired now. Only two questions: When did u join the fight(s)? In the beginning or in the last 3min?
The whole thing. In fact I started the ball rolling by scouting the 6-10 station and locking up one of the 2 SA bships there, after which it all kicked off as both fleets warped in. I think we only lost 3-4 bships, so it's not hard to imagine at least that ratio. I saw many more SA go down. Let's compromise and call it 2:1, which is only average. We did lose a whole load of frigs and a few cruisers, but then so did both sides. We would have killed more but we ran out of tacklers towards the end and lots of SA warped out just before going down. I don't have the SA killmails myself as I was tackling, guess someone could collate them. If you reckon you killed more bships, post the killmails you got.
You're offense was ineffective - it looked like you were using a lot of short-range heavy hitters, but you never got near enough for that to work. I think that's why our frigs/cruisers took such a beating, as they they were the only ones to get into your optimal range. Plus our EW was much better. Zeal, you tanked very effectively which is why you weren't targetted that much BTW. When your extra 50 ship reinforcement fleet showed up we bailed - we only had a gang of 25 and there was 107 in local towards the end. Well done with out-blobbing us. Oh I was on my alt BTW, 'Markafokker'.
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.07.31 08:09:00 -
[285]
Ratio goes down from 2-1 and you got no kill mails Then i say a nice first post dude. All crap
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HC MasiEEE
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.07.31 08:09:00 -
[286]
Ratio goes down from 2-1 and you got no kill mails Then i say a nice first post dude. All crap
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HC MasiEEE
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.31 13:25:00 -
[287]
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.31 13:25:00 -
[288]
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:05:00 -
[289]
Originally by: AsheRaven
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:05:00 -
[290]
Originally by: AsheRaven
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:09:00 -
[291]
Originally by: CKOZUK
Originally by: AsheRaven
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
i remember when i was flying afk through curse and bought some offices...
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:09:00 -
[292]
Originally by: CKOZUK
Originally by: AsheRaven
Originally by: CKOZUK
err dude can you show me where it says CA are lacking security in his post?
Heres another qute for you from the orginal post on this thread
Quote:
We have noticed an increased number of intruders in Curse Alliance space through empire entrances.
Does that answer your question?
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
i remember when i was flying afk through curse and bought some offices...
"We brake for nobody"
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:12:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
i remember when i was flying afk through curse and bought some offices...
Your point?
I remember flying my alt through stain space in a thorax with no mwd or instas just abs and renting offices month and a half ago, big deal.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:12:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
i remember when i was flying afk through curse and bought some offices...
Your point?
I remember flying my alt through stain space in a thorax with no mwd or instas just abs and renting offices month and a half ago, big deal.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Luther
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:31:00 -
[295]
Mark A your a nobody nub, face it 
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has recieved the Minmatar Medal of Honor (keyring) from the Minmatar President (the eve online store)
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Luther
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Posted - 2004.07.31 14:31:00 -
[296]
Mark A your a nobody nub, face it
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has recieved the Minmatar Medal of Honor (keyring) from the Minmatar President (the eve online store)
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.31 15:16:00 -
[297]
Originally by: CKOZUK
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
*Gasp*
Does it really? Shock!! And here I was thinking that CA was the only 0.0 unsecure becasue they publically admitted it!! o.O;;
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.31 15:16:00 -
[298]
Originally by: CKOZUK
Ok so that means that CFS,FA,SA,FU,Norad and CoD all lack security as I have flown through there main entrances into thier space many times. You obviously dont understand that its easy to enter into enemy territory you just go through after down time or times when they arent logged on.
*Gasp*
Does it really? Shock!! And here I was thinking that CA was the only 0.0 unsecure becasue they publically admitted it!! o.O;;
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.07.31 16:37:00 -
[299]
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 31/07/2004 16:44:20
Piff guys...
We had 8 battleships in the beginning. Then we had 14 during the most part, but of that we lost 5 in total. Xetic and additional SA's came at the end of the fight, CA did the right thing as at that time they were vastly outnumbered. But before that, after CA had regrouped, they were NOT outnumbered. When I got killed at the P6 M10 station there were 17 battleships from CA that warped to the station.
I recieved kill mails from my guys, total 10 ca battleships killed. I will not claim we killed more, even if some people would probably do so, as I have to see proof for all of them.
Perhaps CA killed ships from other alliances (XIF or whatever), I have no idea if they lost ships.
Just setting the facts straight. I have to add, I do not bull**** on these forums, I hate that crap. I speek the truth, and I trust most of my "enemies" (you know.. its a game, yer all good guys as are we, etc) would agree that I am not prone to frell around with data such as this.
That said, I ask Xirtam or someone else from CA with overview over what ships CA killed of SA in this fight to send me a evemail with the names, so I can stand corrected.
Please keep our war civil, we sometimes stray of the path of honoroble communication between our alliances, we should try not to.
Over and out
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Captain
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.07.31 16:37:00 -
[300]
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 31/07/2004 16:44:20
Piff guys...
We had 8 battleships in the beginning. Then we had 14 during the most part, but of that we lost 5 in total. Xetic and additional SA's came at the end of the fight, CA did the right thing as at that time they were vastly outnumbered. But before that, after CA had regrouped, they were NOT outnumbered. When I got killed at the P6 M10 station there were 17 battleships from CA that warped to the station.
I recieved kill mails from my guys, total 10 ca battleships killed. I will not claim we killed more, even if some people would probably do so, as I have to see proof for all of them.
Perhaps CA killed ships from other alliances (XIF or whatever), I have no idea if they lost ships.
Just setting the facts straight. I have to add, I do not bull**** on these forums, I hate that crap. I speek the truth, and I trust most of my "enemies" (you know.. its a game, yer all good guys as are we, etc) would agree that I am not prone to frell around with data such as this.
That said, I ask Xirtam or someone else from CA with overview over what ships CA killed of SA in this fight to send me a evemail with the names, so I can stand corrected.
Please keep our war civil, we sometimes stray of the path of honoroble communication between our alliances, we should try not to.
Over and out
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Captain
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