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Dani SP
Caldari
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:16:00 -
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I mean... on one hand, you get a +30% cargo space (3900 instead of 3000)
But on the other one... it takes time. And time is money :) so im getting some big doubts myself.
What do you think? Is it worth to lose an extra-time right clicking boxing etc. just for a -30% hauling times?
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Buga Buga
Hecate Inferno
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Buga Buga on 16/01/2009 13:18:01
No, it is not worth to lose an aditional 13 seconds! 
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.16 14:10:00 -
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If you want to open lots of containers at once, you can select all of them and right click > Open [lots]. Repackaging containers empties them, and can also be done in bulk, so the only part that takes time is assembling them again afterwards.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.01.16 14:31:00 -
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It takes approximately 80 seconds to initiate a jump from one gate, travel to another, and jump again. Even if using GSC's saves you one jump, it is worth it.
I use GSC's with my mining barges and industrials. The time saved versus the minor hassle of opening, jettisoning (when mining), scooping to cargohold, and then opening/closing in station is more than worth it.
After while you take for granted the additional capacity and of course, the additional Isk you inevitably earn.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:02:00 -
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If in the same system, and you're flying something like an iteron V (12 GSCs ish) then no, it's not, because you can do more than 30% more runs in the time it takes to individually fill each can. If you have less GSC's (smaller hauler) or are going further, then it might be worthwhile.
Personally the frustration counts for something too.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:06:00 -
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Of course, we're assuming here that you can use what you're hauling to completely fill up the cans.
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Irish Blend
Caldari
10045th Logistics Battalion
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:23:00 -
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If ti can fit in a GSC, its worth putting in there to maximize your storage. You can alwasy carry something else - check the markets, bring along extra ammo or fittings to buy or sell...trade goos....anything that you can buy low and sell high.
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 14:01:00 -
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I guess it also helps to know WHAT you are hauling, and how far. If you are hauling from a mining op in a belt, then I definitely think they are worth it. You have plenty of time in warp to open up all the cans (no need to right click, double clicking on the cans will open them), and usually enough time maneuvering to the jet-can and aligning again on the way back out to scoop the ore into the individual cans. Unloading in station takes a few seconds longer, but it is definitely worth it.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:01:00 -
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If I had to open 12 GSCs repeatedly I'd probably wind up shooting myself. Imagine doing it while you're managing mining / other haulers etc, the time in warp then isn't 'spare'... Mind you I gave up the mining concept years ago anyway...
Brain numbingly boring. Again, I'd say that unless you are going much further than 'the same system' the effort to open a dozen containers (and fill them, and empty them) is most certainly not going to be worth it. You only have to make 5 trips without instead of 4 with and you've undone all that effort.
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 02:29:00 -
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well, not everyone multiboxes/multiclients... When I haul, I'm hauling.. that's really it. And I like to be most efficient at it. it REALLY isn't hard to open them up, and once you've opened a container, and positioned it on the screen, each time it is opened again, it will go to the same spot. Then it's just a matter of opening them all, and they all end up where you want them on the screen.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:31:00 -
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It's true they don't, sadly mining / hauling isn't a great money maker per hour even if multi-boxing. I kind of figured that the ability to do so easily was about all it had over running missions. |
Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.01.18 09:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Fitz
If I had to open 12 GSCs repeatedly I'd probably wind up shooting myself. Imagine doing it while you're managing mining / other haulers etc, the time in warp then isn't 'spare'... Mind you I gave up the mining concept years ago anyway...
Brain numbingly boring. Again, I'd say that unless you are going much further than 'the same system' the effort to open a dozen containers (and fill them, and empty them) is most certainly not going to be worth it. You only have to make 5 trips without instead of 4 with and you've undone all that effort.
I manage a pair of Exhumers with an indy filled with GSC's, takes my cargo capacity from ~27,000m3 to 35,100 total hauled. Adding 10k is worth it to open 9 GSC's every 20 minutes or so.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.18 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rilwar
I manage a pair of Exhumers with an indy filled with GSC's, takes my cargo capacity from ~27,000m3 to 35,100 total hauled. Adding 10k is worth it to open 9 GSC's every 20 minutes or so.
Right, yeah that's fine if it's every 20 minutes, but if you are hauling back and forth from a station in system (or POS) it's likely going to be every 1-2 minutes. I put GSC's in my dread, that's a great use for them, extra stront / ammo / fuel etc.
It's quite worth it if you're going to do a 20 minute round trip. But < 2minutes, I don't think so. I'm not saying they're never worth it, just that in the same system I feel getting an extra 10k when you already have > 38 k, isn't worth basically opening a new can every 10 seconds (on average), constantly.
When it was only 3-4 cans, I did it a lot more, when it got to 12, it was getting silly. Putting dozens in something like a Rorqual gets silly too, unless you are going deep into 0.0 / selling them at the other end ;) - which sometimes is quite worthwhile. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.18 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/01/2009 11:51:18
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
If you want to open lots of containers at once, you can select all of them and right click > Open [lots]. Repackaging containers empties them, and can also be done in bulk, so the only part that takes time is assembling them again afterwards.
If you don't stack them, you can assemble them in group too. Nice tip for the "open" part, I hadn't tried that.
For a mining ops I am not so sure it is worth it, but it the "open all selected" container work in space too, it can change my opinion.
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Rilwar
I manage a pair of Exhumers with an indy filled with GSC's, takes my cargo capacity from ~27,000m3 to 35,100 total hauled. Adding 10k is worth it to open 9 GSC's every 20 minutes or so.
Right, yeah that's fine if it's every 20 minutes, but if you are hauling back and forth from a station in system (or POS) it's likely going to be every 1-2 minutes. I put GSC's in my dread, that's a great use for them, extra stront / ammo / fuel etc.
It's quite worth it if you're going to do a 20 minute round trip. But < 2minutes, I don't think so. I'm not saying they're never worth it, just that in the same system I feel getting an extra 10k when you already have > 38 k, isn't worth basically opening a new can every 10 seconds (on average), constantly.
When it was only 3-4 cans, I did it a lot more, when it got to 12, it was getting silly. Putting dozens in something like a Rorqual gets silly too, unless you are going deep into 0.0 / selling them at the other end ;) - which sometimes is quite worthwhile.
Mostly what Lord Fitz is saying: for inter system hauling generally it is not worth it (remember that you lose some time to say "yes 3.9000 units are ok for this container" again and again), while for longer trips it is worth it.
Naturally it is a personal opinion, not a hard rule based on a mathematical analysis of time spent against warping time  .
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Chomapuraku
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
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Posted - 2009.01.18 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Chomapuraku on 18/01/2009 21:05:13
i used to do it in a badger II, but in a bustard, it's too much of a pain in the ass to open, un/pack, divvy up, and switch between 10 GSC's twice every hauling cycle.
if you need to make that one run 14 jumps to a market hub, then yes, it's worth it. if you need to move 20 mil trit from your hauler spawn 3 jumps away, then no, it's not worth it, even if it saves you a round trip
and i pity the wretched soul that takes advantage of the extra 30% cargo space using GSC's in his charon. i know he's out there somewhere, and just knowing that he's out there makes me want to suicide-gank his freighter to free him from his ritual of mortification
maybe i'll type up an EVE chronicle for Abraxis about this guy... |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.19 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chomapuraku
and i pity the wretched soul that takes advantage of the extra 30% cargo space using GSC's in his charon. i know he's out there somewhere, and just knowing that he's out there makes me want to suicide-gank his freighter to free him from his ritual of mortification
From what I have heard from some freighter pilot it is not possible to put assembled GSC in a freighter/jumpfreigther cargohold.
Someone with experience flying them can confirm/deny that?
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Austin Kincaid
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Posted - 2009.01.19 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
From what I have heard from some freighter pilot it is not possible to put assembled GSC in a freighter/jumpfreigther cargohold.
Someone with experience flying them can confirm/deny that?
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in an Obelisk.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:53:00 -
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Only annoying part is filling the containers, for emptying, it doesn't matter how many containers you have...
emptying: Drag to hangar, select all, Repackage, select all, Assemble, Stack all. (First assemble, then stack or you'll have to assemble one by one)
filling: select all, open containers, drag item to first container, press enter (for OK), drag to 2nd, press enter, .... till last
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Zaran Darkstar
Divine Slaves
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:51:00 -
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If you get supposingly killed while you are carring stuff inside cantainers what will happen? Will the containers "explode" or they will just "drop" in space? Will they be openable by the pirates or they will have to be destroyded first? |
Patty Loveless
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zaran Darkstar
If you get supposingly killed while you are carring stuff inside cantainers what will happen? Will the containers "explode" or they will just "drop" in space? Will they be openable by the pirates or they will have to be destroyded first?
Its chance based just like the rest of the loot. As far as I can tell for containers it either all survives or all gets destroyed. The items can be looted just as if you deployed the cans to space without anchoring them (they are unlocked and can also be simply scooped by a ship with enough cargo space. |
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:53:00 -
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Each container gets an own "survival roll" and those that survive, all loot in them survives. If the can pops, everything in it pops. |
Raz Slicer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:07:00 -
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Another thing to like about GSC is if u hit gate camp in low-sec/00 you have time to anchor them before u get blown up, come back later and pick them up...for hauling out of belts/hi sec i dont use them. paing open and drag into 12 GSC on a indy V. Other problem if u fill couple cans up then get your hauler might need make two trips regradless of GSC or not.
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Kalmanaka
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:27:00 -
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Using a ton of GSC's is fast and easy once you get a system down. If you put all the open GSC's in the same window, you can drop items on the tab and they will go in that box.
I used to haul ore this way and it's really pretty fast.
First, assemble all your gsc's in station. Select one can and open it. If it opens as a tab in your chat windows then move it off so it's in it's own window.
Open the rest of the cans and they should open with the first one. If not just drag tabs around till all the cans are in their own window together.
Resize the window so it's very wide but not very tall so you can see each can's tab.
Here's the cool bit. You can drop items on the TAB and they will go in that can. You don't have to select each can individually.
Drag your items into each tab until all your cans are full. Fly to station and dock.
Drag all the cans into your hanger. Select them all and do a repackage. All the contents will spill out. Now select all the cans again and do an assemble, then move them back into your hauler. DO NOT STACK THEM or you will ruin all your hard work.
Repeat. Since you organized all the can windows into their own window, if you select them all and say open they will reopen in their own window again.
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Nyterra
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Austin Kincaid
Originally by: Venkul Mul
From what I have heard from some freighter pilot it is not possible to put assembled GSC in a freighter/jumpfreigther cargohold.
Someone with experience flying them can confirm/deny that?
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in an Obelisk.
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in a Fenrir. |
Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nyterra
Originally by: Austin Kincaid
Originally by: Venkul Mul
From what I have heard from some freighter pilot it is not possible to put assembled GSC in a freighter/jumpfreigther cargohold.
Someone with experience flying them can confirm/deny that?
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in an Obelisk.
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in a Fenrir.
Can somebody confirm the other freighters please?
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.23 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Originally by: Nyterra
Originally by: Austin Kincaid
Originally by: Venkul Mul
From what I have heard from some freighter pilot it is not possible to put assembled GSC in a freighter/jumpfreigther cargohold.
Someone with experience flying them can confirm/deny that?
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in an Obelisk.
I can confirm that you cannot put assembled GSC's in a Fenrir.
Can somebody confirm the other freighters please?
No need - for Freighters you move up to General Freight Containers or GFCs. They have a capacity of 120,000m3, don't compress cargo (i.e. no 30% bonus) and you can generally fit 6 in (720,000m3) with minimal freighter skills . They're very handy for keeping your freight sorted. |
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