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Grim Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:28:00 - [1] Edited by: Grim on 16/01/2009 21:32:59 EDIT - The title wont let me put in double "\|\|" so i replaced it with "OR". Well, If any of you understand anything about programming, you will be any to understand the above statement... Is 32 Bit Lag greater than 64 bit lag? (As in 32 bit lag is better.) or Is 64 Bit Lag greater than 32 bit lag? (As in 64 bit lag is better.) This past week I had recently lost my Revelation (Dread) to nothing but lag. There was a 300 man fleet battle in a low sec system near Fountain called Fobiner. (http://blade-alliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13455) I could not load anything during this battle, my EVE kept crashing and was tackled the whole time and could not do anything. I.E. Move, Target, Activate Mods, etc. I was out of siege mode btw. The que got so overloaded in my cache, it stopped deleting. This was the worst lag I have ever seen. At this point, I am afraid to fight in another revelation, due to the possibility of dieing to lag. EPIC LAG. I wouldn't mind going out to a couple hundred battleships if I was lagged and could do anything. At this point, I realized that CCP had upgraded all of EVE's nodes to use 64 bit stackless I/Os. Think of it too, there were only 300 people in this fight. Yet Jita has been able to expand from 800 people to 1400 people. This makes me wonder, what didn't CCP do? Or what didn't I do? Frankly, I have been playing in large battles up in MAX and didn't have lag this bad. Also, up there there were thousands vrs thousands involved in fleet battles and minimal lag. So, did CCP skimp? Skimping on upgrades can be fatel. FFS! If 64 bit I/O was installed in all of EVE, this lag would rarely happen and would usually be caused by a drone exploit or a human error involving the code after a patch. So, this leaves me to beleive that Pandemic Legion has been using a drone exploit, or has CCP skimp on upgrading all of the nodes? Come forward CCP or Pandemic Legion. Someone has some questions to answer.
Ai Zian Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:40:00 - [2] I doubt there were using a drone exploit. Drones stay on a target and don't have to deactivate before moving to a new target and they auto aggro to other things. That said...the lag was probably horrid. (Too early for me to get involved) Low sec nodes are typically not as "important" in the grand scheme of things and the amount of hampsters are usually less there. It does bring a question of whether or not they installed stackless all over or just in heavy traffic 0.0 areas and maybe the market hubs?
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:45:00 - [3] Was the fleet battle announced to CCP beforehand? "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Grim Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Ai Zian I doubt there were using a drone exploit. Drones stay on a target and don't have to deactivate before moving to a new target and they auto aggro to other things. That said...the lag was probably horrid. (Too early for me to get involved) Low sec nodes are typically not as "important" in the grand scheme of things and the amount of hampsters are usually less there. It does bring a question of whether or not they installed stackless all over or just in heavy traffic 0.0 areas and maybe the market hubs? Si, Si. Yes, I understand the fact that CCP can't upgrade everything at once due to pricing and everything. But, when I sent the petition warning that fountain was going to need extra resources instead of max. The GM then responded saying to use the system that only allows Directors of corps and CEOs to request this. So, i gave up. <- What bullsh*t. I wanted to send another petition to them saying that I could not do it but this was really going to happen, but I was pretty sure that the crap GM team (except for some, you know who u are) was going copy and paste the message that they sent before and/or close the whole petition all together. Since CCP did not acknowledge me, I am wondering if I should acknowledge CCP. I have since stopped doing bug searches, and contributing to the EVE Community. <- Sorry fellow eve players. -- Death By Titan :(
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Hegbard on 16/01/2009 21:53:07 Originally by: Grim Well, If any of you understand anything about programming, you will be any to understand the above statement... Is 32 Bit Lag greater than 64 bit lag? (As in 32 bit lag is better.) or Is 64 Bit Lag greater than 32 bit lag? (As in 64 bit lag is better.) I you know anything about programming, then you know that the answer to this question is "yes", unless it's equal. Doh.
Grim Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Hegbard Edited by: Hegbard on 16/01/2009 21:53:07 Originally by: Grim Well, If any of you understand anything about programming, you will be any to understand the above statement... Is 32 Bit Lag greater than 64 bit lag? (As in 32 bit lag is better.) or Is 64 Bit Lag greater than 32 bit lag? (As in 64 bit lag is better.) I you know anything about programming, then you know that the answer to this question is "yes", unless it's equal. Doh. In most cases yes, but you have to read more in depth into the article to understand what I am getting at. -- Death By Titan :(
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:58:00 - [7] Requesting Resources (32/64) > Not Requesting Resources (32/64) "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
negatox Idle Miners STYX.	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:11:00 - [8] I was there at that fleet battle, lag was indeed awful! I've been in other fleet battles before and I haven't felt lag like in Fobiner. Both parties could have enjoyed a better battle but instead everything was acting very erratic and strange (my fighters didn't aggress most of the time and sometimes I could lock the same target twice and couldn't unlock it ) Good fight Pandemic Legion but I guess it could have been better! See you in the battlefield!
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:33:00 - [9] on your behalf to the rest of GBC.
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:33:00 - [10] OK dude I admit it we used our dev haxsploits. Mad props to BoB for sharing them with us
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Grim Skimping on upgrades can be fatel. FFS! If 64 bit I/O was installed in all of EVE, this lag would rarely happen and would usually be caused by a drone exploit or a human error involving the code after a patch. So, this leaves me to beleive that Pandemic Legion has been using a drone exploit, or has CCP skimp on upgrading all of the nodes? Come forward CCP or Pandemic Legion. Someone has some questions to answer. I can confirm that we not only used exploits, but that we also have inside knowledge of the server mechanics which completely remedy lag on our side due to the numerous CCP employees within our ranks.
WarGod The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:35:00 - [12] Its what happens when i press F12.
Mr Rive Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:35:00 - [13] Your revelation fit was terrible
Cippalippus Primus The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:35:00 - [14] I killed you, Poooobear is my alt. As I said on CAOD, learn to deal with lag and optimize your client. You're allied with BoB and I'm sure they know how to do it, but don't expect your enemies to come forward and teach you the tricks.
Hast The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:38:00 - [15] I'm starting to see a pattern, every alliance I've been in has been accused of haxploits. Therefor I must be a ccp employee Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:40:00 - [16] 300 man battle on an unreinforced node is always going to make for **ty lag. We had just as much lag as you did, I exited the POS to tackle caps about 30 times at the beginning of the fight, my position being reset every 10 seconds back to the tower. Oh yeah, and the "Entering Space" bug that dupes your overview and brackets and **s your eve client memory usage. We managed the lag apparently better than you did, and had the advantage of a POS to run back inside to break locks. I very much doubt you would've survived if there had been no lag at all, caps / supercaps go down very fast to a 150 man close range bs fleet
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:57:00 - [17] Yes lag was bad as it was an unreinforced low sec node. There was no way it wasnt going to be laggy. Lags alot better in eve than it used to be though a fight like that would have been totally (rather than mostly) unplayable even a year ago. Not to mention the node would have crashed in the old days. And no if there was no lag we still would have slaughtered you.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Grim Edited by: Grim on 16/01/2009 21:32:59 EDIT - The title wont let me put in double "\|\|" so i replaced it with "OR". Well, If any of you understand anything about programming, you will be any to understand the above statement... Is 32 Bit Lag greater than 64 bit lag? (As in 32 bit lag is better.) or Is 64 Bit Lag greater than 32 bit lag? (As in 64 bit lag is better.) This past week I had recently lost my Revelation (Dread) to nothing but lag. There was a 300 man fleet battle in a low sec system near Fountain called Fobiner. (http://blade-alliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13455) I could not load anything during this battle, my EVE kept crashing and was tackled the whole time and could not do anything. I.E. Move, Target, Activate Mods, etc. I was out of siege mode btw. The que got so overloaded in my cache, it stopped deleting. This was the worst lag I have ever seen. At this point, I am afraid to fight in another revelation, due to the possibility of dieing to lag. EPIC LAG. I wouldn't mind going out to a couple hundred battleships if I was lagged and could do anything. At this point, I realized that CCP had upgraded all of EVE's nodes to use 64 bit stackless I/Os. Think of it too, there were only 300 people in this fight. Yet Jita has been able to expand from 800 people to 1400 people. This makes me wonder, what didn't CCP do? Or what didn't I do? Frankly, I have been playing in large battles up in MAX and didn't have lag this bad. Also, up there there were thousands vrs thousands involved in fleet battles and minimal lag. So, did CCP skimp? Skimping on upgrades can be fatel. FFS! If 64 bit I/O was installed in all of EVE, this lag would rarely happen and would usually be caused by a drone exploit or a human error involving the code after a patch. So, this leaves me to beleive that Pandemic Legion has been using a drone exploit, or has CCP skimp on upgrading all of the nodes? Come forward CCP or Pandemic Legion. Someone has some questions to answer. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Grim Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:42:00 - [19] Yes, probably the lag was also cause with the POS on grid. That and you entering and exiting the POS shield probably caused alot of the lag, then again, that is not your fault. I have to give it to you though, that is a great tactic. But I am sure that would cause massive lag, exploit or not.
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Grim Yes, probably the lag was also cause with the POS on grid. That and you entering and exiting the POS shield probably caused alot of the lag, then again, that is not your fault. I have to give it to you though, that is a great tactic. But I am sure that would cause massive lag, exploit or not. None of that causes lag, you know.
Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Grim Yes, probably the lag was also cause with the POS on grid. That and you entering and exiting the POS shield probably caused alot of the lag, then again, that is not your fault. I have to give it to you though, that is a great tactic. But I am sure that would cause massive lag, exploit or not. I'll tell you what causes lag: People fighting. I'm not gonna get into a debate over numbers but you cannot expect to have a proper fight on a non-reinforced node with 350+ people in local, at a POS, on a gate, on a station, ANYWHERE. And hey, look at it this way - at least with all the lag you managed to log off your pod to save your 1 bil bounty, right?
Grim Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Admiral Frools Originally by: Grim Yes, probably the lag was also cause with the POS on grid. That and you entering and exiting the POS shield probably caused alot of the lag, then again, that is not your fault. I have to give it to you though, that is a great tactic. But I am sure that would cause massive lag, exploit or not. I'll tell you what causes lag: People fighting. I'm not gonna get into a debate over numbers but you cannot expect to have a proper fight on a non-reinforced node with 350+ people in local, at a POS, on a gate, on a station, ANYWHERE. And hey, look at it this way - at least with all the lag you managed to log off your pod to save your 1 bil bounty, right? Heh, nope, kept on crashing and finally got a warp to the station. Obviously docked. And its over 2B now, thanks to a corp m8. /facepalm. Yes, though, the performance of eve really does suck when **** like this goes down. -- Death By Titan :(
Mr Rive Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Grim Yes, probably the lag was also cause with the POS on grid. That and you entering and exiting the POS shield probably caused alot of the lag, then again, that is not your fault. I have to give it to you though, that is a great tactic. But I am sure that would cause massive lag, exploit or not. ok let me spell this out for you: BRINGING 200 PEOPLE TO A NON REINFORCED NODE, WILL CAUSE LAG, GET USED TO IT, OR GO AWAY us MOVING AROUND THE GRID does not cause lag
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:32:00 - [24] tell you director or CEO to reinforce the node ?
Furry Crusader Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:00:00 - [25] I DEMAND JUSTICE
ori16 Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:05:00 - [26] u know after the battle there were was alot of lag but in doing so u guys did deploy yours drones and in doing so made it a 1000 x more worst i picked up in my badger 2 alone 500 drones 100 of which were t2 thank u very much. ori16
Vladic Ka Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Grim Come forward CCP or Pandemic Legion. Someone has some questions to answer. What questions? People always complain of lag when they die bad.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:15:00 - [28] Aparently the biggest cuase of lag is moving items from inventorys and using the market.... We're you shopping at the time?
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 05:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Xailia Was the fleet battle announced to CCP beforehand? This notion that you have to report when and where your going to fight as the 'fix' for lag is at best lame. They might as well instance eve, because that is what this 'reporting' scheme damn nearly is.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Grim ...hen I sent the petition warning that fountain was going to need extra resources instead of max. The GM then responded saying to use the system that only allows Directors of corps and CEOs to request this. So, i gave up. <- What bullsh*t. Kick you directors and CEO for not informing CCP about the upcomming fleet battle then. If your directors cannot do the job, throw them out. Or if they get away with their incompetency, quit your corp and look for a better one. CCP has good reason to only let allow directors and CEO the fleet-battle notification. And well, yes, sadly at the moment CCP doesn't have the money to cover all the nodes with the good hardware nor do they have a dynamic system which adepts automatically. So the only way to improve the situation is the use of the fleet-battle notification by directors. That isn't too much asked for, is it? So I wouldn't blame CCP that much about this. And well yeah, creating lag and using it as an advantage then ... that is a common battle tactic and not at all new. It is lame, but hey, so is using any other meta-gaming also. Who cares? Adept or die some people might say.

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