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Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:42:00 - [1] JITA Market Manipulation Experiment û Anyone interested? This IPO will not be offered to the average EVE pilot but to only the super wealthy. It is AIMED strictly for the purpose of keeping 90% of EVEÆs wealth in the top 10% of its players. Shares will be 10b ISK per share with a total of only 100 shares. This should be more then enough ISK to meet all goals. Goals: 1.To create the largest IPO ever created. 2.To effectively manipulate the JITA market as needed. 3.To assist the wealthy to get more wealthy. 4.Provide a secondary market for ôInsider Tradingö information. I do not want to get into the details in the threadà this thread is solely to determine if enough RICH people are interested in doing such a thing? Loney Check us out!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:51:00 - [2] pass.... --
Niguea Caldari Gaijintsubu	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:57:00 - [3] Oh wow...
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:57:00 - [4] Nice try MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Watered Down	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:02:00 - [5] LMAO i am not rich...at all...but still wow...
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:09:00 - [6] I'll take all 100 shares
Vested Interest	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:13:00 - [7] sorry but 1T isk won't be enough to pull this off
FunzzeR Counter Errorist Unit	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:18:00 - [8] I see a scam.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:19:00 - [9] So... 1 trillion, eh ? As in, 3-4 day's worth of Jita trade volume ? Or, as in less than half of the value of goods on sell orders in Jita ? Pass.
Megan George	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:30:00 - [10] i would take 2 if the interest and term were right. not got a main atm as i am betweeen characters so have to post with this noob character
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:39:00 - [11] Let's see. Someone trying to float a gigantic, unsecured IPO. And a very wealthy ! as the only one interested. Well dang, this ain't no scam at all! Business plans which amount to 1. Post a quick note on M&D 2. Hope to raise an eye-popping mountain of cash 3. ??? 4. Profit! are always welcome. However, I'm not wealthy enough so I'll be taking a great, big, vast, endless pass on this as well.
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 00:14:26 -edit PS Note Originally by: Clair Bear Let's see. Someone trying to float a gigantic, unsecured IPO. And a very wealthy ! as the only one interested. Well dang, this ain't no scam at all! Business plans which amount to 1. Post a quick note on M&D 2. Hope to raise an eye-popping mountain of cash 3. ??? 4. Profit! are always welcome. However, I'm not wealthy enough so I'll be taking a great, big, vast, endless pass on this as well. Anyone seen the South Park episode with the underpants Gnomes? You statement reminded me of that. Here is the Underpants Gnomes Plan just incase: Step #1 - Steal Underpants Step #2 - ???? Step #3 - Profit Just thought of it while reading all this negetivity in this thread. Enjoy, Loney PS. I don't "hope" to do anything. I had an idea and wanted to see what everyone else thought. I could care less if people raise 1 Trillion isk (but of course would like to see it happen) to participate in a expirement with potential for greatness.
Crackuji Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:14:00 - [13] Loney's fragile reputation is now completely ruined by this IMO. Nice going.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T So... 1 trillion, eh ? As in, 3-4 day's worth of Jita trade volume ? Or, as in less than half of the value of goods on sell orders in Jita ? Pass. Well, to be fair, it doesn't take much to use lemmings for manipulation leverage. I managed a 2% buy order increase totaling approx. 16 billion on ~5 items today using maybe 600M in capital at any one time. And this is a fail day. Some days, just for fun, I throw the lemmings into a complete frenzy with just 200k worth of stuff. Yes, I know. Waste of market orders and capital. Still, it's at least as much fun as roaming and ganking ratters so vv
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:37:00 - [15] Wouldn't mind seeing it happen to be honest.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:52:00 - [16] Yeeeeaaa...I don't think so. To counter your business plan, I can simply just bring in the product from other hub with even lower price 10% for Returning Customers
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:54:00 - [17] No I will not participate. I will though, use your manipulation, if you gonna try it, to get moar isk :) 1T is not enough, because it's not enough, and it's also time which is important. If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Confuzer If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. I quote "Begun, the clone wars has" 10% for Returning Customers
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Confuzer No I will not participate. I will though, use your manipulation, if you gonna try it, to get moar isk :) Heh, The Terrorist is at least doing some people a favour. Main question is, what region is he going next so we can anticipate and take precautions. Originally by: Confuzer 1T is not enough, because it's not enough, and it's also time which is important. If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. Which will crash the node and Jita will be out of the equation .
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Brock Nelson Yeeeeaaa...I don't think so. To counter your business plan, I can simply just bring in the product from other hub with even lower price And this too is part of standard Jita Price Manipulation 101. You get people to buy from sell orders at other hubs, truck stuff in, and... cancel your buys. They wind up working their butts off to move the inventory, .01 undercutting until they're blue in the face. Then you swoop in, buy it all cheaply, and re-price. For bonus points put up higher buys in the remote hubs and see if they'll truck it all back in preparation for the next cycle. Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Loney Goals: 1.To create the largest IPO ever created. 2.To effectively manipulate the JITA market as needed. 3.To assist the wealthy to get more wealthy. 4.Provide a secondary market for ôInsider Tradingö information. 1. 1 trillion isn't the largest IPO ever 2. Many people try to manipulate the jita market, most fail 3. LOL thats just a horrible sentence 4. who is going to manage this secondary market? The way you've set this up so far looks to me like you're simply out to get IPO money and leave. did you know that 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 01:22:07 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! Originally by: Dasfry 1. 1 trillion isn't the largest IPO ever 2. Many people try to manipulate the jita market, most fail 3. LOL thats just a horrible sentence 4. who is going to manage this secondary market? The way you've set this up so far looks to me like you're simply out to get IPO money and leave. 1. Name one. 2. They obvously doing it wrong. 3. What? 4. Its in the idea phase. Take it as you like. I don't scam people nor to I need isk, I have pleanty of my own. As always, I am just trying to create different and NEW approaches in EVE for the community to participate in. Check us out!
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:21:00 - [23] I could be interested in a market manipulation cabal but some very simple math will tell you that one trillion is not enough to manipulate all of Jita. Hell, it's not even enough to buy up the stock sitting in Jita. It would have to have a much more narrow focus. Furthermore, unless this were very well planned and coordinated across the hubs (which would take a lot more than 1 person) this doesn't stand a chance. Get some more trusted people involved in running it and a real business plan and I might be willing to buy a share or two but for now, no thanks.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Shar Tegral on 17/01/2009 02:13:11 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Originally by: Loney Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 02:20:48 See Below Check us out!
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Shar Tegral Edited by: Shar Tegral on 17/01/2009 02:13:11 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Originally by: Loney Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Yeah, wtf. You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Well I think you amazing posting spamfest has ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED whatever reputation you had.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Loney Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months.
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Originally by: cosmoray You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Originally by: cosmoray Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months. You are mixing the numbers. 45-65% is CDRD's Standard profit, it has been since its start. CDRE's "IPO" Profit has been be 78% and 11.4% for the 2 times it ran. The Projected 43% did not meet it goals BUT YET still made profit, the 70 billion Isk investment was voted closed by the shareholders only after 78 billion in Profit, its that simple.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Loney Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Originally by: cosmoray You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Originally by: cosmoray Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months. You are mixing the numbers. 45-65% is CDRD's Standard profit, it has been since its start. CDRE's "IPO" Profit has been be 78% and 11.4% for the 2 times it ran. The Projected 43% did not meet it goals BUT YET still made profit, the 70 billion Isk investment was voted closed by the shareholders only after 78 billion in Profit, its that simple. 78B profit. 7B profit 11% return. It was voted closed as you held a gun to investors heads. Take your money back or hope to hell to maybe get a profit in some future.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:39:00 - [30] Why don't you post a link to the ipo and let some of us be the judge 10% for Returning Customers

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