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Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:42:00 - [1] JITA Market Manipulation Experiment û Anyone interested? This IPO will not be offered to the average EVE pilot but to only the super wealthy. It is AIMED strictly for the purpose of keeping 90% of EVEÆs wealth in the top 10% of its players. Shares will be 10b ISK per share with a total of only 100 shares. This should be more then enough ISK to meet all goals. Goals: 1.To create the largest IPO ever created. 2.To effectively manipulate the JITA market as needed. 3.To assist the wealthy to get more wealthy. 4.Provide a secondary market for ôInsider Tradingö information. I do not want to get into the details in the threadà this thread is solely to determine if enough RICH people are interested in doing such a thing? Loney Check us out!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:51:00 - [2] pass.... --
Niguea Caldari Gaijintsubu	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:57:00 - [3] Oh wow...
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:57:00 - [4] Nice try MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Watered Down	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:02:00 - [5] LMAO i am not rich...at all...but still wow...
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:09:00 - [6] I'll take all 100 shares
Vested Interest	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:13:00 - [7] sorry but 1T isk won't be enough to pull this off
FunzzeR Counter Errorist Unit	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:18:00 - [8] I see a scam.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:19:00 - [9] So... 1 trillion, eh ? As in, 3-4 day's worth of Jita trade volume ? Or, as in less than half of the value of goods on sell orders in Jita ? Pass.
Megan George	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:30:00 - [10] i would take 2 if the interest and term were right. not got a main atm as i am betweeen characters so have to post with this noob character
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:39:00 - [11] Let's see. Someone trying to float a gigantic, unsecured IPO. And a very wealthy ! as the only one interested. Well dang, this ain't no scam at all! Business plans which amount to 1. Post a quick note on M&D 2. Hope to raise an eye-popping mountain of cash 3. ??? 4. Profit! are always welcome. However, I'm not wealthy enough so I'll be taking a great, big, vast, endless pass on this as well.
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 00:14:26 -edit PS Note Originally by: Clair Bear Let's see. Someone trying to float a gigantic, unsecured IPO. And a very wealthy ! as the only one interested. Well dang, this ain't no scam at all! Business plans which amount to 1. Post a quick note on M&D 2. Hope to raise an eye-popping mountain of cash 3. ??? 4. Profit! are always welcome. However, I'm not wealthy enough so I'll be taking a great, big, vast, endless pass on this as well. Anyone seen the South Park episode with the underpants Gnomes? You statement reminded me of that. Here is the Underpants Gnomes Plan just incase: Step #1 - Steal Underpants Step #2 - ???? Step #3 - Profit Just thought of it while reading all this negetivity in this thread. Enjoy, Loney PS. I don't "hope" to do anything. I had an idea and wanted to see what everyone else thought. I could care less if people raise 1 Trillion isk (but of course would like to see it happen) to participate in a expirement with potential for greatness.
Crackuji Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:14:00 - [13] Loney's fragile reputation is now completely ruined by this IMO. Nice going.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T So... 1 trillion, eh ? As in, 3-4 day's worth of Jita trade volume ? Or, as in less than half of the value of goods on sell orders in Jita ? Pass. Well, to be fair, it doesn't take much to use lemmings for manipulation leverage. I managed a 2% buy order increase totaling approx. 16 billion on ~5 items today using maybe 600M in capital at any one time. And this is a fail day. Some days, just for fun, I throw the lemmings into a complete frenzy with just 200k worth of stuff. Yes, I know. Waste of market orders and capital. Still, it's at least as much fun as roaming and ganking ratters so vv
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:37:00 - [15] Wouldn't mind seeing it happen to be honest.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:52:00 - [16] Yeeeeaaa...I don't think so. To counter your business plan, I can simply just bring in the product from other hub with even lower price 10% for Returning Customers
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:54:00 - [17] No I will not participate. I will though, use your manipulation, if you gonna try it, to get moar isk :) 1T is not enough, because it's not enough, and it's also time which is important. If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Confuzer If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. I quote "Begun, the clone wars has" 10% for Returning Customers
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Confuzer No I will not participate. I will though, use your manipulation, if you gonna try it, to get moar isk :) Heh, The Terrorist is at least doing some people a favour. Main question is, what region is he going next so we can anticipate and take precautions. Originally by: Confuzer 1T is not enough, because it's not enough, and it's also time which is important. If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. Which will crash the node and Jita will be out of the equation .
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Brock Nelson Yeeeeaaa...I don't think so. To counter your business plan, I can simply just bring in the product from other hub with even lower price And this too is part of standard Jita Price Manipulation 101. You get people to buy from sell orders at other hubs, truck stuff in, and... cancel your buys. They wind up working their butts off to move the inventory, .01 undercutting until they're blue in the face. Then you swoop in, buy it all cheaply, and re-price. For bonus points put up higher buys in the remote hubs and see if they'll truck it all back in preparation for the next cycle. Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Loney Goals: 1.To create the largest IPO ever created. 2.To effectively manipulate the JITA market as needed. 3.To assist the wealthy to get more wealthy. 4.Provide a secondary market for ôInsider Tradingö information. 1. 1 trillion isn't the largest IPO ever 2. Many people try to manipulate the jita market, most fail 3. LOL thats just a horrible sentence 4. who is going to manage this secondary market? The way you've set this up so far looks to me like you're simply out to get IPO money and leave. did you know that 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 01:22:07 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! Originally by: Dasfry 1. 1 trillion isn't the largest IPO ever 2. Many people try to manipulate the jita market, most fail 3. LOL thats just a horrible sentence 4. who is going to manage this secondary market? The way you've set this up so far looks to me like you're simply out to get IPO money and leave. 1. Name one. 2. They obvously doing it wrong. 3. What? 4. Its in the idea phase. Take it as you like. I don't scam people nor to I need isk, I have pleanty of my own. As always, I am just trying to create different and NEW approaches in EVE for the community to participate in. Check us out!
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:21:00 - [23] I could be interested in a market manipulation cabal but some very simple math will tell you that one trillion is not enough to manipulate all of Jita. Hell, it's not even enough to buy up the stock sitting in Jita. It would have to have a much more narrow focus. Furthermore, unless this were very well planned and coordinated across the hubs (which would take a lot more than 1 person) this doesn't stand a chance. Get some more trusted people involved in running it and a real business plan and I might be willing to buy a share or two but for now, no thanks.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Shar Tegral on 17/01/2009 02:13:11 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Originally by: Loney Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 02:20:48 See Below Check us out!
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Shar Tegral Edited by: Shar Tegral on 17/01/2009 02:13:11 Originally by: Clair Bear Well hell, maybe this can work. Not sure I'd want the guy who failed in the highly profitable cap ship market at the helm of the effort, but the idea has potential. Originally by: Loney Lol.. thanks for the support I guess? Not sure why people think CyberDyne R-D failed at the capships market? I guess haveing at 45-65% profit margin (not counting IPO's) and over a trillion in corporate assets is a failure to some... Meh, what do I konw! All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Yeah, wtf. You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Well I think you amazing posting spamfest has ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED whatever reputation you had.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Loney Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months.
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Originally by: cosmoray You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Originally by: cosmoray Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months. You are mixing the numbers. 45-65% is CDRD's Standard profit, it has been since its start. CDRE's "IPO" Profit has been be 78% and 11.4% for the 2 times it ran. The Projected 43% did not meet it goals BUT YET still made profit, the 70 billion Isk investment was voted closed by the shareholders only after 78 billion in Profit, its that simple.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Loney Originally by: Shar Tegral All this says to me is: through the miracle of subjective math you cheated your investors. Read it more carefully! NOT COUNTING IPO's it clearly states! The latest IPO was also clearly defined as 11.4% over 5 months time. Originally by: cosmoray You made 45-65% profit when the business was PRIVATE, but.. As soon as you used public fund you returned 2% per month and 11% total. Originally by: cosmoray Your last IPO started in Feb 08 was stated as 43% over 6 months, but you did 11% over 5 months. You are mixing the numbers. 45-65% is CDRD's Standard profit, it has been since its start. CDRE's "IPO" Profit has been be 78% and 11.4% for the 2 times it ran. The Projected 43% did not meet it goals BUT YET still made profit, the 70 billion Isk investment was voted closed by the shareholders only after 78 billion in Profit, its that simple. 78B profit. 7B profit 11% return. It was voted closed as you held a gun to investors heads. Take your money back or hope to hell to maybe get a profit in some future.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:39:00 - [30] Why don't you post a link to the ipo and let some of us be the judge 10% for Returning Customers
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 02:46:49 JITA Market Manipulation Experiment û Anyone interested? This IPO will not be offered to the average EVE pilot but to only the super wealthy. It is AIMED strictly for the purpose of keeping 90% of EVEÆs wealth in the top 10% of its players. Shares will be 10b ISK per share with a total of only 100 shares. This should be more then enough ISK to meet all goals. Goals: 1.To create the largest IPO ever created. 2.To effectively manipulate the JITA market as needed. 3.To assist the wealthy to get more wealthy. 4.Provide a secondary market for ôInsider Tradingö information. I do not want to get into the details in the threadà this thread is solely to determine if enough RICH people are interested in doing such a thing? Loney NOTE: This is NOT an IPO offering. This thread is to simply see if people are interested in my idea, a simple YES or NO is good. If you have USEFUL information to this topic then please post it. This is not the place for gullible people to post about helping or hurting my reputation. Check us out!
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Brock Nelson Why don't you post a link to the ipo and let some of us be the judge All revelant links are listed Here. Check us out!
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:32:00 - [33] I think when cosmoray says 43%, he was referring to CDRE's first IPO which offered 43% over 12 months. But regardless, cosmoray is right, you do run both CDRE and CDRD right? If one of them doesn't pay out as it should, shouldn't you have used CDRD's profit to make sure it does? After all, CDRD doesn't answer to anyone but CDRE has to answered to its investors.
Darkrftr	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Darkrftr on 17/01/2009 03:59:57 Let's assume this isn't a scam. Jita is the center of eve trade, the man hours it would take to hold even the basics, would be stagering. Once the manipulation crashes you will have a huge amount of assets in jita. I could go on for hours. I wish you the best of luck, but I don't think one or five really experienced traders could pull this one off.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.01.17 05:18:00 - [35] The summary is this: You say you've run a highly successful business yet we know, factually, that you managed poor returns in that business. So, it doesn't make a difference how much you say that you were profitable "over there" at the "same time", you can't prove that and you've never, until now, mentioned it. So, are you lying now or were you lying then? More importantly, does it matter any longer? My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.01.17 05:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Shar Tegral does it matter any longer? Nope. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.01.17 05:58:00 - [37] Looney, tbh. Are you just looking for attention?
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 06:08:00 Originally by: Shar Tegral The summary is this: You say you've run a highly successful business yet we know, factually, that you managed poor returns in that business. So, it doesn't make a difference how much you say that you were profitable "over there" at the "same time", you can't prove that and you've never, until now, mentioned it. You seem to konw nothing at all about CDRD or CDRE, plus the bunch of words you call a sentence does not make much sense. I love when people that think they know something try to interject there oponions. Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Shar Tegral does it matter any longer? Nope. Since it seems that no one is interested in this IPO idea I take your advice. Does this thread matter anymore.. NOPE :) Originally by: Ray McCormack Looney, tbh. Are you just looking for attention? Who dosen't like attention! I can't help that people must trash other people because they think that poorly of themselves. Unlike you and I that have been around for a while and in nodoubt made hundreds of billions. Its Life and a Game what do you expect from it.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Loney Who dosen't like attention! I can't help that people must trash other people because they think that poorly of themselves. Unlike you and I that have been around for a while and in no doubt made hundreds of billions. Its Life and a Game what do you expect from it. Sigh... Well, didn't take long for you to start trolling your own thread. But, in case you hadn't noticed, I may actually have been around longer than you have. Of course I don't feel the need to lie about my successes or failures and/or engage in the epeen blah, blah, blah or yadda-Veteran-yadda. So, to clear the air, I am so uber-jealous that you fooled all your investors into giving you gobs of isk so that you could shortchange them later on. I wish I had the ego to think that everyone would forget, giving me the chance to take them all for a one trillion isk ride. I wish to grow up to be just like you with only one exception. Do I have to act as stupidly as you to be just like you? Sigh...
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:55:00 - [40] Edited by: Loney on 17/01/2009 06:56:17 -edit fix some spelling Originally by: Shar Tegral Sigh... Well, didn't take long for you to start trolling your own thread. But, in case you hadn't noticed, I may actually have been around longer than you have. Of course I don't feel the need to lie about my successes or failures and/or engage in the epeen blah, blah, blah or yadda-Veteran-yadda. Do I have to act as stupidly as you to be just like you? Sigh... I guess trolling comes natural to people that "don't feel the need to lie about so-called successes" or that use a character with a 2003 birthdate on the forums :( I can do this all day, because responding to flaming trolls with more flaming and trolling has nothing to do with my ablity to make isk. So talk **** all you want, be my guest.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:50:00 - [41] I won't comment except to say, Posting in a drama-thread!
Ambo State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.17 08:28:00 - [42] It's a cool idea. If someone else was offering it I might go for it but not you. I don't believe you'll scam or a likley to get bored and just leave eve. This is simply because you've been doing what you do for so long now with large amounts of cash. However, 1 trillion is a lot of isk for one person to hold. It would need to be at least partially secured by a third party for me to take the risk. The market plan is a bit iffy... This could easily lose money. The biggest reason though is that I was an investor in Cyberdyne R-E for the last IPO you ran. The returns were pretty rubbish. (Only slightly higher returns than a 1.5% per month ebank account.) My main problem was your lack of communication. I sent you several evemails that were ignored, lots of people posted in your thread asking for updates... we all got nothing until you deigned to contact us. That makes you the sort of person that I really don't want to be working with.
Severice Crushed Ambitions	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Confuzer Originally by: Confuzer 1T is not enough, because it's not enough, and it's also time which is important. If you try manipulate an items to like 200%, armies of alts will start their journey to Jita. Which will crash the node and Jita will be out of the equation . Ah, i think you found his plan. he will use the 1 trillion isk to buy GTC's for an army of alts, and have them constantly undocking in velators and shooting at people causing massive concord spawns, and crashing jita just after downtime every morning.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Treelox pass.... This sig would have been so cool for me. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:05:00 - [45]
Coronae Borealis	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:22:00 - [46] Who the hell is cosmoray? As 2004 player never haven't really heard about this guy. Is he or she one of those MD 1337's who think that post count in MD means "I am the overlord of market!"? MD is funny place. It's based on trust by spammers. Some really has profitable business going on. But there is only handfull of real industrial corporations in EVE wich are really making profit and having large scale production at the same time. I there is a idea on this, but Loney just introduced it really poorly. Firstly the name... Experiment? What were you thinking? Secondly not enough half truths to fool possible investors. In short - your post is too short to convince anyone. Thirdly, shares cost too much. 1 B ISK would be possible to pull off. But 10 B ISK to just trading... Back to number 2... Anyhoo there is already building up one of the possible largest jita manipulations... Might be good times to start buying...
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Leowen on 20/01/2009 15:35:07 No thanks. It won't work. The richest players in EVE are secretive, greedy, and control freaks. Think they'll share a mystery-flavoured pie with their peers? No chance. I tried about a year ago to set up a cabal of sorts for exactly this type of activity amongst others, looking for just 2-3 partners each inputting 100-200B for some fun and jiggery-pokery. Lots of potential interest, but not one interested body that actually had the cash and the cajones to give it a shot. Now I just stick to occasional stabs at select Jita markets myself, just for ****s and giggles. EDIT: I still fancy doing this so if anyone reading has the notes and the nuts, give me a shout. We could have some fun fun fun. Don't call if you don't have >100B sloshing around.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Coronae Borealis Who the hell is cosmoray? As 2004 player never haven't really heard about this guy. Is he or she one of those MD 1337's who think that post count in MD means "I am the overlord of market!"? MD is funny place. It's based on trust by spammers. Some really has profitable business going on. But there is only handfull of real industrial corporations in EVE wich are really making profit and having large scale production at the same time. <snip> Who Cosmoray is Cosmoray's other contributions Coronae Borealis' first contribution Coronae Borealis' vast posting history and significant contributions Interprete that information however you see fit. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.20 17:05:00 - [49] Edited by: Tasko Pal on 20/01/2009 17:05:29 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Coronae Borealis Who the hell is cosmoray? As 2004 player never haven't really heard about this guy. Is he or she one of those MD 1337's who think that post count in MD means "I am the overlord of market!"? MD is funny place. It's based on trust by spammers. Some really has profitable business going on. But there is only handfull of real industrial corporations in EVE wich are really making profit and having large scale production at the same time. <snip> <snip> Interprete that information however you see fit. This troll is starting to get boring. We have full fledged symptoms: completely unrealistic business plan, shills coming out of the woodwork, and the troll gets posting like it were getting paid by the post. Here's my take. Anyone who has managed to sc**** together 10 billion isk isn't stupid enough for fall for this. There's no way that a mere trillion isk is going to "corner" the Jita market. Nobody takes this proposal seriously. And twenty day old trolls who haven't heard of cosmoray? My worldview is just shattered. Shattered.
Astarte Nosferatu Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:24:00 - [50] Actually 1 trillion isk might actually just be enough. It should be ample to buy up ALL units of a certain T2 module in ALL Empire regions at the same time. Even with people dumping stock, you can easily buy up everything they throw at you, and once they run dry, invention will not nearly be enough, initially, to meet demand. If you throw in the system THE TERRORIST has been using lately, putting up Empire wide sell orders at 800mil-1bil ISK a piece, you need only a handful of people to fall for it out of ten thousands to pay you back at least a good part if not all of your investment. Once you dominate one item, move on to the next. If done sufficiently, you will be buying up more items then invention and dumping excess stock can cope with. This plan is not sustainable however on the long term, it would get to big and collapse under it's own weight, but it could wreck havoc on the market for at least a month, tricking a lot of players into buying hugely overpriced modules, creating huge scarcity for a bunch of T2 modules, and of course countless of whine threads and petitions of people that cannot cope with EvE's hard reality. Heck, if I had 1 trillion+ ISK, I would risk it all and just try it. It might fail, but it will be one of the most intense and adrenaline-pumping times one can experience in EvE. And you'll be one of the select few that will be able to say; "I had 1 trillion ISK, and I poured it all down the drain." Yes, I'm selling some of my shares
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:56:00 - [51] Actually, if I had a trillion isk, I'd go in for something with a lot longer lead time than t2 modules. Here's my trillion isk fantasy. When Quantum Rise came out, that was the time to corner the obelisk and charon markets (the most commonly used freighters). Start off weeks ahead of time by buying out the relevant component parts BPOs in contracts, particularly cargoholds. Have an alt make bids for the big producers' and copiers' BPOs to drive down supply over the long term. Hoard low end minerals in the trade hubs. Then hire several big merc corps to suicide gank obelisks and charons everywhere in empire starting the first day of QR (they might expand to other freighter types, if they start flying in large numbers, just to increase the pressure). Buy out all the obelisks and charons in empire. Buy out cargohold parts and perhaps other selected freighter components as well. Bam! There's a demand spike for obelisks, charons, and the materials that make them coinciding with your cornering of the market and the ramp up for orcas. Havoc happens. Tears on forums. Fun is had. Who knows, you might even make isk while you're at it.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:15:00 - [52] Publicly announced market manipulation are doomed to fail for obvious reasons. So how are you going to pay back the 1 trillion isk, after your manipulations have failed ?

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