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TheCartel	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:38:00 - [1] Well im getting into an astarte in a few days and am a bit worried that people talk about have slow/unviable it is for a lot of situations which say a sleipnir can handle. Yea it does a lot of DPS up close but how hard is it to actually get there. How good is the tank, how strong is it what can it take etc etc. Need a full review lol. Thanks
Amelia Reign	Posted - 2009.01.17 08:43:00 - [2] Anything up to battleship size is what it can take on. I dident tank my Astarte though, flew my neutrons and medium ecm drones.
Sokot Gallente Brute Force Algorithm	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:04:00 - [3] I've slapped an Auxiliary nano pump and a nanobot acc. on one of mine, to get that extra repping power. With dual MAR II's in low, exp. hardener, eanm and a dmg control, you still have room left for a mag stab. with the usual mwd, point, web and injector mids, that leaves you just enough grid to squeeze in a couple of neutrons and then ions for the rest. More neutrons if you go Modal instead of tech II. Wit AWU 5 finished and a powergrid implant you may even get mostly neutrons. This setup does ok damage, but more importantly, it tanks really well for a tech II tank. When I went after a lone mega camping a gate, his friend in another mega jumped in, and their falcon buddy logged on, I was still able to slowboat almost 10km back to the gate, de-aggress and jump without blowing up. It was not an amazing feat of nberness, I'll give you that, but head-on attcks from two blaster megas is not something you expect to get away from alive in most other ships. So while most people say to gank fit your Astarte, I am more inclined to say do a little of both. "He was quite mad and knew it very well, but being mad he did not care"
Azh Modius Gallente The 501st Knights	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:37:00 - [4] First off i am going to say this: 1. You pay for your own account and i have no right to tell you what to fly and how to play the game. 2. I am not flameing you even though it might sound like it i am just curious. ( see 1.) Rant On: 1r. Why do you want a very expensive command ship to close to blaster range. The Brutix does that job very good and it is so much cheaper. 2r. For pve you can get a domi for less then a command ship and it more dps and tanking. 3r. For small and large gang for pvp the command ship really shines in useing its gang modules to buff everybody, so you lose alot of dps. If you want to have a dps battlecruiser the brutix is really good at that role. Your paying alot more for 1 more low slot a little more cap and ehp. You can say a Brutix can also use gang lniks but you can buy a brutix and outfit it for less then buying a Astarte. 4r Solo pvp Why solo in a command ship when you can buy a domi to solo in it is alot better at it. Rant Off Now for the question i would you to answer please if you will: Why do you want to outfit a Astarte for dps when there are better and cheaper ships you can get?
TheCartel	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:38:00 - [5] Maybe I should direct my training off to the arazu :P
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:42:00 - [6] Astarte is black (it still is, is it?) and has zomgwtfbbq eft damage. I could imagine, assuming the warpin is set up properly, that I could get a massive e-hardon from applying that damage.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:52:00 - [7] Originally by: P'uck Astarte is black (it still is, is it?) and has zomgwtfbbq eft damage. I could imagine, assuming the warpin is set up properly, that I could get a massive e-hardon from applying that damage. It's yellow. If you can fly one well and can afford taking the ISK hit, by all means go for it, but the Brutix really is the cheaper alternative that does the same job (albeit slightly worse but costs a lot less). I love my Brutix. But if you can afford it, go go Astarte.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:58:00 - [8] depends on usuage. you cant go all gank without having a **** poor tank, or go all tank and have great dps! so depends on situation, if for example you are at war alot, or dec other people it is an epic tool for camping stations and to a lesser degree gates, as you know where they will come out (in the case of stations) and they could undock several cruisers into your face and they would fall so quickly its shocking. and for a gate u would not have 2 far to go. but on a roam or fleet, with alot of moving into range needed, and no idea if you will need that tank or gank, its not the best choice!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 13:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: P'uck Astarte is black (it still is, is it?) and has zomgwtfbbq eft damage. I could imagine, assuming the warpin is set up properly, that I could get a massive e-hardon from applying that damage. It's yellow. If you can fly one well and can afford taking the ISK hit, by all means go for it, but the Brutix really is the cheaper alternative that does the same job (albeit slightly worse but costs a lot less). I love my Brutix. But if you can afford it, go go Astarte. Same can be said for the people who are using Marauders in PvP. Some people just seem to be able to make a t2 ship immortal, making up for its extreme cost.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.01.17 13:50:00 - [10] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: P'uck Astarte is black (it still is, is it?) and has zomgwtfbbq eft damage. I could imagine, assuming the warpin is set up properly, that I could get a massive e-hardon from applying that damage. It's yellow. If you can fly one well and can afford taking the ISK hit, by all means go for it, but the Brutix really is the cheaper alternative that does the same job (albeit slightly worse but costs a lot less). I love my Brutix. But if you can afford it, go go Astarte. Same can be said for the people who are using Marauders in PvP. Some people just seem to be able to make a t2 ship immortal, making up for its extreme cost. The comparison is invalid, though, because Marauders are different in one crucial way: there are no bigger ships (subcapital) that one could upgrade to. For Command Ships, the option exists: Battleships. Is there something Command Ships do better than Battleships, other than use gang modules? Not really. In theory they would be better against cruiser sized ships due to medium weapons but in reality Battleships have heavy neutralizers at their disposal aswell as more damage to start off with, aswell as range. Command Ships are not fast enough to catch cruisers which combined with the poor range of medium close range weapons makes them questionable at the anti-cruiser role. And even if they were good at it, we must ask the question of whether such a role is needed or viable in any but some marginal situations. In conclusion, I do not see many reasons to choose a CS over a BS for any situation, especially if that reasons is not to use gang mods (in which case Fleet Commands would be preferable and Field Commands obsolete). I have CS V personally and all races' cruiser V's but I prefer BS, sadly, even if flying them would be fun (although for fairness' sake I do also have all BS V's). I would recommend focusing on BS skills for now, until CCP addressess the lack of a proper role for Field Command ships.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:19:00 - [11] Quote: It's yellow. It's gold!
space hobo Gallente Morbid Obssesion United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:25:00 - [12] [Astarte, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Vespa EC-600 x5 i ran with this for so long i basicly lived in this ship for about 8 months when i was a pirate till i lost it to a uber blob think i might buy another ------------------- 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. - Acario Vito its not my fault that noobs PC's cant handle small image's - space hobo
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 17/01/2009 18:06:04 Originally by: space hobo [Astarte, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Vespa EC-600 x5 i ran with this for so long i basicly lived in this ship for about 8 months when i was a pirate till i lost it to a uber blob think i might buy another 3.1 grid short ftl.
space hobo Gallente Morbid Obssesion United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 20:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 17/01/2009 18:06:04 Originally by: space hobo [Astarte, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Vespa EC-600 x5 i ran with this for so long i basicly lived in this ship for about 8 months when i was a pirate till i lost it to a uber blob think i might buy another 3.1 grid short ftl. if you put a 'squire' PG2 implant in it will fit i have a PG4 fit so i didnt notice ------------------- 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. - Acario Vito its not my fault that noobs PC's cant handle small image's - space hobo
Aravel Thon	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:27:00 - [15] I had an astarte once, then it died
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Azh Modius First off i am going to say this: 1. You pay for your own account and i have no right to tell you what to fly and how to play the game. 2. I am not flameing you even though it might sound like it i am just curious. ( see 1.) Rant On: 1r. Why do you want a very expensive command ship to close to blaster range. The Brutix does that job very good and it is so much cheaper. 2r. For pve you can get a domi for less then a command ship and it more dps and tanking. 3r. For small and large gang for pvp the command ship really shines in useing its gang modules to buff everybody, so you lose alot of dps. If you want to have a dps battlecruiser the brutix is really good at that role. Your paying alot more for 1 more low slot a little more cap and ehp. You can say a Brutix can also use gang lniks but you can buy a brutix and outfit it for less then buying a Astarte. 4r Solo pvp Why solo in a command ship when you can buy a domi to solo in it is alot better at it. Rant Off Now for the question i would you to answer please if you will: Why do you want to outfit a Astarte for dps when there are better and cheaper ships you can get? Because it's fun, and you get more of a thrill when you're risking more isk. ?
Aravel Thon	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Gnomes Rock Because it's fun, and you get more of a thrill when you're risking more isk. How about carrying T2 bpos in a shuttle unscouted through 0.0. Thats pretty fun too
Xori Ruscuv Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 17/01/2009 23:02:20 deleted (buff gallente )
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:40:00 - [19] The Astarte is a expensive toy, and does¦t stand a chance against gank BS(even less in QR since the Neuts become like required to general PVP use). The Astarte realy get shafted as the Diemost got her needet boost in Agility and Speed, since this one actualy made it a halfe deacend ship. The Astarte still is not much faster and agile than a BS what is a real knock out point for short range Blaster ship. While Nighthawk, Sleipnier and Absolution can acutaly can make up with it with a bit more Tank or Speed the Astarte realy isn¦t tanky(even with the Dual Rep + Resistance Fittings). All it got is DPS at short range and this is better done by BS in most of the cases, leaving it in a battlefield where BS simply outdo it at his role. Like the Diemost the problem isn¦t tank in my opinon it is simply gank what it is lacking(1000 DPS in a gank Setup is not actualy impressive for a Blaster CS that have to play in the same game as gank BS operate) the DPS looks impressive on the first view but is a lot to low to other ships you could field for the same purpose. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:01:00 - [20] Blasters are fun weapons and do hilarious damage on with the astarte, the problem is you often dont get in range quick enough to use em since your so slow. The other problem is youre a preffered target as a cs is quite expensive, and youre always within scram, web and neut range pretty much ****ed if thing go wrong. This is why i prefer rails on the astarte, sitting it bit further out still doing 500-600dps while being in a medium sized ship with an godly tank. [Astarte, PVP rails] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Nanobot Accelerator I Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:44:00 - [21] The Astarte is very nice imo, my corp mate flys one, tho it shines best in a gang, not solo.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.18 02:48:00 - [22] Originally by: TheCartel Well im getting into an astarte in a few days and am a bit worried that people talk about have slow/unviable it is for a lot of situations which say a sleipnir can handle. Yea it does a lot of DPS up close but how hard is it to actually get there. How good is the tank, how strong is it what can it take etc etc. Need a full review lol. Thanks There is no reason to fly an Astarte. Anything that you can do with an Astarte, you can do just as well in a Megathron. Once you properly fit an Astarte with armor rigs and a plate it's agility is reduced to the point that you might as well be flying a plate BS. Since QR it's lock speed doesn't make a bit of difference when compared to a BS. It has far less capacitor, far less capacity to sustain being neuted, much shorter optimal range for it's guns, and half the EHP and half the tank of a BS. Due to the web nerf it's guns can't track targets at it's optimal (inside 1500m). TL;DR: it sucks. Did I mention it's uninsurable and has very little tank (comparatively)?
TheCartel	Posted - 2009.01.18 06:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: TheCartel Well im getting into an astarte in a few days and am a bit worried that people talk about have slow/unviable it is for a lot of situations which say a sleipnir can handle. Yea it does a lot of DPS up close but how hard is it to actually get there. How good is the tank, how strong is it what can it take etc etc. Need a full review lol. Thanks There is no reason to fly an Astarte. Anything that you can do with an Astarte, you can do just as well in a Megathron. Once you properly fit an Astarte with armor rigs and a plate it's agility is reduced to the point that you might as well be flying a plate BS. Since QR it's lock speed doesn't make a bit of difference when compared to a BS. It has far less capacitor, far less capacity to sustain being neuted, much shorter optimal range for it's guns, and half the EHP and half the tank of a BS. Due to the web nerf it's guns can't track targets at it's optimal (inside 1500m). TL;DR: it sucks. Did I mention it's uninsurable and has very little tank (comparatively)? Guess I will just stay away from the astarte for now then. Well thanks for all the help everyone.
Aurora148 Gallente RPS Industries CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.18 12:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Aurora148 on 18/01/2009 12:41:00 Edited by: Aurora148 on 18/01/2009 12:40:34 currently I use my Astarte because I haven't trained for t2 large hybrids yet, so in my Astarte I do more dps than my Megathron without gank fitting it. Its a good (although expensive) replacement for a Megathron if you don't yet want to invest time in t2 Large weapons. Also the "Its cheaper to fit a battleship and do more dps" argument doesn't apply when you fit it for less than a Hyperion and do more dps.
Glassback Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:53:00 - [25] Edited by: Glassback on 18/01/2009 16:53:19 For gangs fit it with 250mm rails, sensor boosters, tracking stuff and damage mods. You will be the damage dealer. For solo, Mix of Nuetrons and Ions, mwd, cap booster, scram, web. two reps, hards, damage. rigs, trimarks Also, dont forget the ecm drones

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