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Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Wloire on 17/01/2009 03:13:51 It has commenced. Let the fawning begin. Holy Hell. GIANT revelation 13 minutes in.
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:24:00 - [2] Poasting on commercial break. Need to make this quick. Let's recap the first 23 minutes...SPOILA'S for those people who can't read We're cylons. Kara Thrace is dead. (and looking at her own body) Leoben seems genuinely creeped out by this. Dee and Apollo are hooking back up. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:25:00 - [3] Might want to put a giant Spoiler pyramid on that one :P
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:37:00 - [4] Commercial break. Spoilers. HOLY HELL WTF DEE JUST SHOT HERSELF? Cikulisuy quotes, "THAT WAS RIDICULOUS!!!"
Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:41:00 - [5] Edited by: Wloire on 17/01/2009 03:43:19 Everybody's freaking out and falling apart, oh god everyone crazy. I'm pretty sure Dee shooting herself was the most unexpected thing I've ever seen. Shes humming and smiling then BLAM.
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:47:00 - [6] Right before it happened I asked myself, "Why are they putting so much empathise on this?" Bam. And speaking of bam, Suicidal Adama, WTF?!
Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Wloire on 17/01/2009 03:57:12 Edited by: Wloire on 17/01/2009 03:55:38 Ahh he bounced back with a rousing speech. He was just a little drunk. I'm not happy they're leaving earth. So much more to explain. Oh for **** sakes Ellen is a god damn Cylon. BOO BOO That better be a fake memory or the whole final five subplot is ruined.
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:56:00 - [8] Ellen is the 5th Cylon zomg!
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:14:00 - [9] Wait wait wait... if Ellen is the 5th cylon, how is it that Starbuck was apparently reborn as well? Wouldn't that make either of them a 13th cylon?
Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:16:00 - [10] Originally by: thelung187 Wait wait wait... if Ellen is the 5th cylon, how is it that Starbuck was apparently reborn as well? Wouldn't that make either of them a 13th cylon? I'm going to be honest, when are Saul's drunken visions ever right? :P I'm thinking there was a different woman with him in that bank and hes just seeing ellen instead,
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:18:00 - [11] Starbuck could be a clone?
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:19:00 - [12] We don't actually know who the 5th is. We have 6 billion other Cylons to ask about, not to mention the fact that Kara Thrace found her own body and burned it... Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:22:00 - [13] All this makes me wonder what Earth looks like in the EVE universe. Even still, Christ.
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:25:00 - [14] tbh, it breaks down pretty obviously... Physical evidence of bio-Kara's body being found by apparent-Cylon-Kara along with dog tags > Saul's ocean-induced pseudo-memory.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Jacob Mei on 17/01/2009 04:33:46 I knew Dee was going to off herself the moment she was cuddling Hera. Why is it that no character on TV can tell that someone has commited themselves to suicide? I bet you that Starbuck and Ellan are the same "model" with Starbuck merely being a younger version of Ellan (assuming Ellan never had to ressurect her body would have aged just like Tighs). Questions though I would like answered: Are the final 5 really the first 5? What are the origins of the human form cylons? Did the robotic cylons find earth and use that technology to make human forms cylons? Why were the original 7 cylons forbidden from knowing the other 5? Can the final 5 cylons ressurect with the hub gone? If so where is that hub? Is Leoben still alive after Kara burned the remains of her former self? If she was attempting to hide the evidence Leoben is a loose end that Kara wouldnt have problems tieing up considering all the crap he did to her. Also Leoben seemed pretty frayed after hearing what the hybrid said about kara, would that mean shes like some form of grim reaper cylon? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Wloire Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:32:00 - [16] Originally by: thelung187 tbh, it breaks down pretty obviously... Physical evidence of bio-Kara's body being found by apparent-Cylon-Kara along with dog tags > Saul's ocean-induced pseudo-memory. Really, even Kara seems too obvious. I mean, if they reveal the fifth cylon in the first episode of 10 there's no more suspense. Both have to be red herrings.
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Jacob Mei I knew Dee was going to off herself the moment she was cuddling Hera. Why is it that no character on TV can tell that someone has commited themselves to suicide? I bet you that Starbuck and Ellan are the same "model" with Starbuck merely being a younger version of Ellan (assuming Ellan never had to ressurect her body would have aged just like Tighs). Questions though I would like answered: Are the final 5 really the first 5? What are the origins of the human form cylons? Did the robotic cylons find earth and use that technology to make human forms cylons? Why were the original 7 cylons forbidden from knowing the other 5? Can the final 5 cylons ressurect with the hub gone? If so where is that hub? I thought this as well. Especially given the beef they have had between Saul and Kara during the series. Not to mention that D'ana saw all 5, and has seen Starbuck before but never called her out, though she never really saw Ellen afaik. It is interesting that Galactica shows that all of the Earth-bones are Human-model-Cylons... makes me think that the human-model-Cylons are the real deal, and something's ****ed up about Galactica Humans. The idea of Cylons finding Earth first etc and creating from that seems far-fetched tbh, as this would imply some sort of other creators of the Cylons. My guess is that the original human Final 5 were part of a rebirth/conciousness-transfer project of transferring human minds to robotic-human bodies? The latter 7 are Model 2.0 versions, of people that really never existed but were created instead (though what bearing that would have on them knowing is unknown). There could be another hub, as D'ana said at the end that Cavil is still out there, but those could just be leftovers that weren't killed. I doubt there is another hub, as they indicated during the former part of Season 4 that "when they die, they stay dead or some such."
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Wloire Originally by: thelung187 tbh, it breaks down pretty obviously... Physical evidence of bio-Kara's body being found by apparent-Cylon-Kara along with dog tags > Saul's ocean-induced pseudo-memory. Really, even Kara seems too obvious. I mean, if they reveal the fifth cylon in the first episode of 10 there's no more suspense. Both have to be red herrings. Hard to ignore when you've literally got the burning body funeral pyre with said reborn individual presides over it. That said, I agree, they played both of those almost too much in this episode, and making an out-of-left-field plot twist is par for the course regarding this series. I do have a question though.... if it is Ellen, was she the one in the series mini-movie that left Adama the note that said that there were 12 models and many copies? I've always wondered who left that note, as it would have to be someone familiar with the Cylons... and if Ellen WAS a Cylon (with Kara being a genetic-equal-but-first-draft-prototype or some such), she would have to have been cognizant of that fact in order to reveal that information. on a side note, I just told my wife what I've been writing about for the last half hour, to which she responded... "God, you're such a dork."
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:55:00 - [19] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Jacob Mei I knew Dee was going to off herself the moment she was cuddling Hera. Why is it that no character on TV can tell that someone has commited themselves to suicide? I bet you that Starbuck and Ellan are the same "model" with Starbuck merely being a younger version of Ellan (assuming Ellan never had to ressurect her body would have aged just like Tighs). Questions though I would like answered: Are the final 5 really the first 5? What are the origins of the human form cylons? Did the robotic cylons find earth and use that technology to make human forms cylons? Why were the original 7 cylons forbidden from knowing the other 5? Can the final 5 cylons ressurect with the hub gone? If so where is that hub? The idea of Cylons finding Earth first etc and creating from that seems far-fetched tbh, as this would imply some sort of other creators of the Cylons. My guess is that the original human Final 5 were part of a rebirth/conciousness-transfer project of transferring human minds to robotic-human bodies? The latter 7 are Model 2.0 versions, of people that really never existed but were created instead (though what bearing that would have on them knowing is unknown). I dont know I think it makes sence. In the mini series we know that the colonies made the cylons, the cylons rebeled and had a war with them but eventually left for what, 30 years before coming back to attack the colonies again. Its possible that the Cylons left, found earth, found the ressurection technology and using genetic samples from the remains and or those already in the ressurecting machine created the seven models we knew about before the final five were revealed. The final five could have been awakened and brought back to the colonies for some purpose but either failed to do their programming or were able to override it (recall Saul had a flash where he thought he killed adama, that could have been an impulse he managed to surpress.) That robotic cylon remains that they found might have been an model what was being built between the 30 year gap that was left behind.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:59:00 - [20] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Wloire Originally by: thelung187 tbh, it breaks down pretty obviously... Physical evidence of bio-Kara's body being found by apparent-Cylon-Kara along with dog tags > Saul's ocean-induced pseudo-memory. Really, even Kara seems too obvious. I mean, if they reveal the fifth cylon in the first episode of 10 there's no more suspense. Both have to be red herrings. Hard to ignore when you've literally got the burning body funeral pyre with said reborn individual presides over it. That said, I agree, they played both of those almost too much in this episode, and making an out-of-left-field plot twist is par for the course regarding this series. I do have a question though.... if it is Ellen, was she the one in the series mini-movie that left Adama the note that said that there were 12 models and many copies? I've always wondered who left that note, as it would have to be someone familiar with the Cylons... and if Ellen WAS a Cylon (with Kara being a genetic-equal-but-first-draft-prototype or some such), she would have to have been cognizant of that fact in order to reveal that information. on a side note, I just told my wife what I've been writing about for the last half hour, to which she responded... "God, you're such a dork." My money is on that it was Saul who left the note. Adamas quarters seem to be under constant guard even when hes not in them so its logical to assume that if thats the case the XO would be the only other person to have realitively free access to the CO's quarters. Guard: "Col Tigh sir, what can I do for you." Cylon Tigh: "Oh I just have to leave a note for the old man." Guard: "Ah go ahead sir."
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:24:00 - [21] Ronald D. More confirms Ellen = 5th
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Elliot Reid on 17/01/2009 17:34:53 I shall have to find the old posts but I said last year, or maybe the year before, that they'd find that the 13th tribe on Earth would be Cylons. Though I still don't think that was Earth, there was absolutely nothing recognisable, be it land mass from space or identifiable land marks. _______________________________________ Atheism, a non-prophet organisation
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Jacob Mei My money is on that it was Saul who left the note. Adamas quarters seem to be under constant guard even when hes not in them so its logical to assume that if thats the case the XO would be the only other person to have realitively free access to the CO's quarters. Guard: "Col Tigh sir, what can I do for you." Cylon Tigh: "Oh I just have to leave a note for the old man." Guard: "Ah go ahead sir." Well on Pegasus, both a Cylon and then the leader of the black market got into the CO's quarters, so they can't be that safe.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:56:00 - [24] so i finally watched it on hulu after work. god damn. good, not overly surprising but just damn good acting. adama and tigh "heart to heart" was just awesome. i was shocked about dee. did not see that **** coming and said "WHAT?!" outloud at my television i'm going to miss this show when it's done ---------- "This is Chopper Dave's made for TV movie, Blades Of Vengeance. See, he's a chopper pilot by day, but by night he fights crime as a werewolf... YEAH!"
Zyck KDS Navy	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:19:00 - [25] So here are my questions: - WTF? - Where did the planet of cylons come from? They were killed off 2,000 years ago, but how did they get there originally and what's their story? - Is that planet really earth? - Did the cylon-humans nuke themselves? Did the cylons of the cylons (from the head of the centurion that wasn't a centurion) kill them off? Did they kill themselves off? Did SOMEONE ELSE kill them off? - How did the "final 5" get reborn from their deaths 2000 years earlier? And why them and not the other millions or billions? I'm sure there's more... -Zyck
thelung187 Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Elliot Reid Edited by: Elliot Reid on 17/01/2009 17:34:53 I shall have to find the old posts but I said last year, or maybe the year before, that they'd find that the 13th tribe on Earth would be Cylons. Though I still don't think that was Earth, there was absolutely nothing recognisable, be it land mass from space or identifiable land marks. From the interview I posted: Interviewer: That planet is Earth? WeÆre not going to find out, ôOh, thereÆs this other Earth over here...ö This is the only Earth weÆll see? RDM: They have found Earth. This is the Earth that the 13th Colony discovered, they christened it Earth. They found Earth.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:32:00 - [27] Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/01/2009 18:32:57 well i have to consider one of two things. either this is some alternate reality using names we are familiar with but has no basis in our reality OR this takes placed a gazillion years in the future. if its the first and if earth is earth, then life formed here (we have evidence of this) and the 13th colony didn't discover jack they started here (we are cylons) if it's the 2nd perhaps they rediscovered it. or earth isn't earth and the one we see from the zoom across the galaxy to what was clearly a planet with florida in that one episode is the REAL earth and they have yet to find that or the 13th tribe had a nasty habit of naming every single planet they found earth. or i'm simply losing my mind trying to figure all this out. to be honest, i think i'm way beyond trying to figure this stuff out (what i tried to i was wrong about ), i'm just going to have to sit back and enjoy the ride (though like you all, i cant seem to keep from discussing it)
Aesgrim Big Shadows Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:39:00 - [28] Great stuff, as ever. One thing bugs me out, where did Kara Thrace get her new body from?
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:57:00 - [29] Originally by: thelung187 From the interview I posted: Interviewer: That planet is Earth? WeÆre not going to find out, ôOh, thereÆs this other Earth over here...ö This is the only Earth weÆll see? RDM: They have found Earth. This is the Earth that the 13th Colony discovered, they christened it Earth. They found Earth. Ah fairy snuff then. At least I was right thinking Earth was going to be a Cylon colony, though I'd rather it had been the last thing they found out at the series end. _______________________________________ Atheism, a non-prophet organisation
Julius Kalmaris Sector One Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:54:00 - [30] This show gets more and more confusing each episode. I would really like to know if the Earth they found was really Earth. The thing is is that we don't know if it is Earth or not, do we? We never saw an external view of it. And the only time we ever saw 'Earth' was when the final 4 were finally introduced and the cylon fleet and the colonies fleet met in the nebula and there was that large pan out view of the galaxy and we saw Earth for the first time. Am I right when I say this? I also had one of those WTF moments when Dee decided to turn her brain in to tomato soup, I didn't see that coming at all. I knew that she was upset and all but I had no idea. The one beef I had with the episode was Olmose's acting. It was good but I don't think it was up to par with some of his previous performances on the show. But then again he was trying to portray a spiritually, emotionally and physically destroyed Adama who was as drunk as a skunk and we've never really seen that before, at least not on the scale that was seen in this episode.

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