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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/01/2009 16:09:41
 Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy
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edit: Well, in the battle of 'who is the bigger tosser', I think I must concede to your good self. Enjoy the spoils. I am off to bed.
The fact you called on me to produce a grammar thread, when your criticism on the other posters punctuation already is grammar discussion, makes any effort to "start" a discussion on grammar a moo point.
In this case though, i have to remind you to "practise what you preach" and it was the only reason i corrected your lil' endeavours there  |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:14:00 -
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oh god, god forbids that Le Skunk get into this...
/me runs away. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Because english sometimes plain sux if you are not born speaking it.
lose -loose
where - were
witch - which
your - you're
their - there
etc.
All sound the same, in your head when you try to construct a sentence. At least for Dutch me that counts.
But then you have the SMS/MSN idiots, who can't be assed to write proper english, but should be able to, make things not easy on the non-native english speaking person.
You get lazy yourself.
That's the thing. Even those of us with reasonably respectable language skills each have our own common traps. Unlike other language, there are no strict rules that are accurate in every single situation, without exception. It makes the language difficult to learn for non-native speakers and makes it nearly impossible to absolutely and completely master for native speakers. Unless you're Marilyn vos Savant, every great writer and English major has words they frequently misspell or misuse and at least one grammatical pitfall.
On the other hand, this lack of hard rules is part of why the language is so flexible and powerful. It gives the language a strong ability to evolve as needed. This ability is often abused, of course. For example, the word "moisturize" which in one aspect is total nonsense. However, advertising firms pitching skin care products in the 1940s created it and now it is part of our every day language.
In my experience, homophones (the examples you gave - words that sound alike but are spelled differently) are a constant hangup for many non-native English speakers. My colleague is Polish and he does that all the time. There is less of an excuse for native speakers to make those mistakes, though. Each of the examples you gave are perfectly understandable problems for non-native speakers, but are also words that every third grade child has been taught to use properly.
I need to stress again, however, that I don't see how we can hold every individual to the same linguistic expectations. I am not an English major by any means. I am simply someone that grew up with a deep passion for reading and writing and the language itself. My career involves communication. Communication which must both be professional and extremely clear and effective. I don't know that it is reasonable for me to expect a guy whose passion is police work, welding, race car driving, laying cable, bagging groceries or building furniture to have quite the same level of knowledge. I can't do a lot of the stuff they do, either. That's okay.
The internet makes written communication such a vital part of our daily lives. This is a great thing and gives more of a reason for people to invest in these skills. Also, it exposes any deficiencies in these skills that would largely otherwise never be noticed. It shines a light directly on your spelling and grammar such that even an otherwise intelligent and well-spoken person can come across as a little lacking. Prior to the internet, there wasn't a medium that truly exposed the average person in such a way as the only mass-distributed written material was typically written professionally.
Of course, NONE of this excuses journalists who have terrible skills. I read articles every day by professional publications with mistakes that any writer should have noticed. If not them, their editor. Constantly uses commas when a semi-colon should be used, for example. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:21:00 -
[34]
moo point
Aye, that is why Sheriff Jones is Sheriff Jones. Awesome. :) |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
You get lazy yourself.
Yes, but you won't ever find "sux" in one of my messages. That's just sinking too low. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:49:00 -
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I almost forgot to mention that the title of the thread, aka "Why can't people in General Discussion spell 'lose'?", is false as the problem isn't in spelling, but actually in the misuse of the word 
People in general discussion are quite capable of spelling the word. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I almost forgot to mention that the title of the thread, aka "Why can't people in General Discussion spell 'lose'?", is false as the problem isn't in spelling, but actually in the misuse of the word
People in general discussion are quite capable of spelling the word.
Indeed. Also, you need a sheriff's star so you can endorse threads. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/01/2009 16:58:12
Originally by: Qordel
Indeed. Also, you need a sheriff's star so you can endorse threads.
Yeah, Wrangler is surely gonna go for THAT
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
The fact you called on me to produce a grammar thread, when your criticism on the other posters punctuation already is grammar discussion, makes any effort to "start" a discussion on grammar a Moo Point.
In this case though, i have to remind you to "practise what you preach" and it was the only reason i corrected your lil' endeavours there
Click the linky  I jsut whish I was better at paint 
To the OP.
Maybe the bad spelling has something to do with people trying to get the quickest jib, the smoothest jab, hottest flame, or wisest point in the fastest.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Astarte Nosferatu
Minmatar
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:08:00 -
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Not being a native English speaker is not an excuse in most cases. Being lazy and uninterested, now that is the main reason why people tend to make a lot of spelling mistakes, replace letters or even whole words with numbers, etc. ...
People that don't use capital letters and/or punctuation marks in English, tend to not do it in their native language either. People that use leetspeak in the English language, tend to do it in their native language as well. Same applies to spelling.
If you are not sufficiently skilled in English, learn it. Sure, everyone makes mistakes from time to time, I am not a native speaker nor have I studied English, but I want to be able to express myself in the main language regarding technology, business and international politics. So I have read countless of books, in English, from writers as George Orwel, Orson Welles, Philip K. ****, Douglas Adams, Kurt Vonnegut, Hunter S. Thompson and so on.
My point is, communication is a basic skill, everywhere in the world, and if you severely lack that skill, for whatever reason, you are bound to get looked at, laughed at, and made fun of. Especially in an elitist game as EvE. |
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Spurty
Caldari
Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:19:00 -
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Welcome to Internet Space Ships,
Please be aware of the air locks in the station. These are where you are to march to should the Grammar Na4is arrive to check up on your lack of Mavis Beacon + Oxford English dictionary skills.
Would you like to continue the tutorial or just pod yourself to keep the na4is away ? Yes/yes |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:20:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
George Orwel, Orson Welles, Philip K. ****, Douglas Adams, Kurt Vonnegut, Hunter S. Thompson and so on.
P.K.D. got owned by CCP. Nice.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Would you like to continue the tutorial or just pod yourself to keep the na4is away ? Yes/yes
Funnily enough, that's the only useful Yes/No answer combination to an either/or kind of question… |
Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:47:00 -
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lol at the replies to what i said.
I am sorry that i don't think you guys are high enough up my list of things to be worried about when planning my day, i type fast and i dont bother to go back and fix anything spelt badly.
why should I? why should i care what you think? I spend all day writing reports, sending out emails and letters to people that if i screw up the letter and look bad could cost the company ALOT of money, i read it, re read it, check it, re check it, then get someone else to check it, all while looking after my team making sure they are doing the same.
When i get home, want to relax and type a wee bit too fast and skip a letter or get finger knots and type a few in the wrong order i'm going to panic that the internet speller checkers will think any less of me.
I pull down a huge wage in RL, i have a great daughter, and a attractive not to mention several years younger gf (i know alot of poeple are prob reading lol yeah right, well ill be at FF next year, money where my mouth is shall we say)
those things are important, putting a few letters in the wrong order getting some words mixed etc is just crap from people that think they are awesome and the internets is that important! |
Black Leather
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:04:00 -
[45]
Originally by: SharpMango
there are lots of things which many people on this forum have great difficulty with.
'ammar'
'quamtam'
'wierd'
'payed'
'replys'
Add 'definatly' to the list and you've pretty much got it covered. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:24:00 -
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The main problem is tihs:
bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:28:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: SharpMango
there are lots of things which many people on this forum have great difficulty with.
'ammar'
'quamtam'
'wierd'
'payed'
'replys'
Add 'definatly' to the list and you've pretty much got it covered.
Of course, there's a difference between typos and chronic problems. Since browsers spell check as you're typing now, there's no excuse for problems related to spelling other than simple laziness.
If they don't care about how they come across, then they don't have to bother correcting their spelling - even when the bro2wser does it for them. People largely won't care. They shouldn't expect us to go out of our way to read their often incomprehensible drivel either, though. Many of us will simply ignore any post that begins with a full non-capitalized and punctuationless paragraph. If they don't care enough because "it's the intarwebs", then I don't care enough to waste my time trying to grok their spaghetti post.
Also, I certainly understand that the attention given to typos in an informal setting may be drastically reduced, but that doesn't explain people who claim "me speak good at work for pay", yet have the grammar skill of a recreational paste-eater here. Watching over and correcting your typos is something that everyone deals with. Even if you're a professional writer and communicator. Poor grammar, however, is not something that you flick on and off. People are forced, by habit, to use the grammar that comes natural to them. It is not easier for them to use poor grammar than it is to use correct grammar.
So those people should just say "yeah, I'm not great at it" or not say anything at all. I mean, who cares? It's just when they make silly excuses for it that gets frustrating, because what they're really saying is "I have something important enough that I want people to read it, but I don't give a **** if people read it or if it's difficult for them to read". It's a bit selfish.
Of course, I'm no Einstein, either. I end sentences with a preposition all the damn time. |
Cierejai
Caldari
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:40:00 -
[48]
ridiculous |
N'tek alar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Joe
You should see how badly i misspell Interdictor when Drunk
IntraDuckter? |
Diek Ran
Amarr
Autonums
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Posted - 2009.01.17 21:25:00 -
[50]
cuz their luzurz |
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:00:00 -
[51]
Back in 7th grade I was told I had a reading/grammar level of a college student...
I still make a lot of mistakes. It's just that I don't really care these days. |
crazyiven
Brotherhood of Soban
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:18:00 -
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is tahtthe frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit any porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, butthe wrod as a wlohe.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:49:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Back in 7th grade I was told I had a reading/grammar level of a college student...
I still make a lot of mistakes. It's just that I don't really care these days.
What? You don't care about your GD posts? That is madness! EVE-Online General Discussions forum IS serious business. I put on my serious business suit and take out my serious keyboard and have all my posts scrutinized by a professor that has a PHD in serious business. To do otherwise is a mockery of all in which CCP and the interbuttz stands for.
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
George Orwel
Quote:
Being lazy and uninterested...
Quote:
not sufficiently skilled in English
Quote:
[I] severely lack that skill...get looked at, laughed at, and made fun of
I think I have made my point.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:50:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Back in 7th grade I was told I had a reading/grammar level of a college student...
I still make a lot of mistakes. It's just that I don't really care these days.
What? You don't care about your GD posts? That is madness! EVE-Online General Discussions forum IS serious business. I put on my serious business suit and take out my serious keyboard and have all my posts scrutinized by a professor that has a PHD in serious business. To do otherwise is a mockery of all in which CCP and the interbuttz stands for.
I lick you. |
Flamable Content
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:51:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Karrade Krise
I lick you.
I think you mean "like." |
Bahs Deep
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:52:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Flamable Content
Originally by: Karrade Krise
I lick you.
I think you mean "like."
No, he doesn't. |
Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Distillery
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:57:00 -
[58]
I am still waiting to meet some of those rouge drones. They must be a treat to look at. |
Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 01:24:00 -
[59]
Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Joe
You should see how badly i misspell Interdictor when Drunk
IntraDuckter?
Indictator, I couldn't figure out why Pirates didn't respect the Fitouts I posted and just lol'd instead
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.18 02:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: SharpMango
there are lots of things which many people on this forum have great difficulty with.
'ammar'
'quamtam'
'wierd'
'payed'
'replys'
Add 'definatly' to the list and you've pretty much got it covered.
Include "turrent" in that list, and it's damn near complete. |
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