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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:54:00 -
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Why are the Caldari seen as a honorable? Isn't the entire faction governed my mega corporations? When has being a pawn of a megacorporation ever been "honorable?"
That's like Wal-mart employees claiming they are honorable for working at Walmart. Or even worse, Exxon would claim its employees are "noble". Doesn't fit.
Caldari as cut-throat, ruthlessly competatitive capitalist... yes. But noble and honorable.... no. That would better fit with the Minmatar. |
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:36:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Because Caldari corporate culture is an extension of Japanese and not American or other westerner. Read more about here and here. As a recent discussion on Backstage about Matari tribalism showed ( here) the Matari is far from a unified mass and while honor is likely important within the family/closets tribe it most certainly does not extend to a national level.
I guess if Sony and Toyota had a Navy they would claim them to be honorable too... Still honor and ultra-capitalism don't really fit. |
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:39:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Because PF says they are.
Don't equate EVE to RL. The two are separated by 20,000 years and several dark ages.
BTW, Minmater are honorable too, not just Caldari.
Even if its the future, history tells us that human nature doesn't change.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 23:01:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Nobody said they don't have dishonorable urges, actions, or habits due to human nature, but the prevailing culture of the Caldari counteracts that. The Caldari culture demands a strong sense of personal and collective honor and dignity, and though human nature might obviously create situations where that is not the case, the prevailing trend is one of honorable behavior.
Prime Fiction clearly states the Caldari are a very honor-centric people. Whatever you suggest why that might be otherwise is irrelevant because it's already been decided by CCP lore this is how it is.
Something to consider is that your American (or whatever culture you're from) idea of honorable is not necessarily the same as that of a culture so far in the future and clearly different from anything existing today. There is no pure meritocratic state in RL, so there is no fair comparison. Consider the culture difference between you and what a Caldari would be. Something honorable to them may be abhorrent to you and your culture.
I guess the Caldari would consider themselves 'honorable' for attacking Nouvelle Rouvenor too then? That was basically a terrorist attack on a 500mil innocent civillians so that would put the honorable society that the Caldari claim similar to the honorable society terrorist groups claim (Im sure Al Queda claims a society that claims 'a strong sense of personal and collective honor and dignity' too). That or the proposed lore is all a farce.
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:07:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:YuuKnow wrote:I guess the Caldari would consider themselves 'honorable' for attacking Nouvelle Rouvenor too then? That was basically a terrorist attack on a 500mil innocent civillians so that would put the honorable society that the Caldari claim similar to the honorable society terrorist groups claim (Im sure Al Queda claims a society that claims 'a strong sense of personal and collective honor and dignity' too). That or the proposed lore is all a farce. yk You're judging an entire culture and civilization based off the actions of a few extreme radicals and terrorists? Congratulations. You're an idiot.
Touchy, touchy. lol.
Doesn't matter if its an extremist or not. An 'honorable' society would never have been able to produce such a terrorist offshoot (attacking civillians in cold blood). The analogy would be a extremist wing of Britain deciding to conduct a nuclear attack on Argentina's civillians.... In that light, perhaps it would be more fitting to say that the Caldari faction is more of an offshoot of Middle Eastern culture and Middle East concepts of honor, rather than anything else.
Honor is in the eyes of the beholder. Nothing honorable to the rest of us looking in. |
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:34:00 -
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Tifin'a Ach'ing wrote:IMO
The ideal of Caldari honor is reflected in the sentiment of, State before Self.
Tif
That's more of a communist than a capitalist attitude. Wouldn't "Corp before self" be more inline with the canon?
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