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Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc.
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.07 14:02:00 -
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Much of New Eden's geopolitical makeup is influenced by real life history.. In this case the post WWII competition engendered by the American's defeat and subsequent occupation of Japan. The correlations are numerous..
The Americans maintained a military governorship of Japan under General MacArthur and his replacements. Baseball and other "American" traditions were pressed upon the Japanese in a "cultural outreach" program. The Japanese chose instead to keep their Emperor and traditions and school America as to how their caste centric society could compete in the global market successfully, without adopting the individualistic approach of the Americans...
They did so quite effectively.. Honor is about Face, not moral ambiguities. It is about being Caldari, and beating the Gallente at their own game, on Caldari terms..
Because the Caldari are "Honorable", they are very straightforward in their dealings with others.. If you understand their society, they are very good business partners..
If you eschew their traditions, or look down on them for their beliefs, they will exploit your ignorance for the full advantage it affords them.. This is not dishonorable, it is pragmatic. Caldari first.. |
Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:05:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: They did so quite effectively.. Honor is about Face, not moral ambiguities... I agree with this, do you find it as jarring I do, because right conduct is honourable, isnGÇÖt it? It's hard to think of an honourable act not being correct. Honour is employed to avoid moral ambiguities.
Roga Dracor wrote:The correlations are numerous.. . Japan and Caldari alike? This had not occurred to me, I'm trying to think why not.
The zaibatsu (the old Japanese family dynasties) which could be the analogue for the old Cladari families, were dissolved at the end of the war by SCAP; inadvertently creating the keiretsu. SCAP also imposed the Dodge line, including tax reform, fixing the exchange rate and stopping uneconomic government intervention.
Roosevelt saw the zaibatsu as a monopoly, unhealthy tied to the military, inefficient and inherently undemocratic. It's not unreasonable to think that the Galente having had similar objections. The dissolution freed manufacturing to team up with remaining bits of the old zaibatsu organising sweetheart deals and supply chains. The freed banks got into bed with industry who borrowed from them allowing the banks to operate on the basis of dept rather than equity reducing operating costs.
On the other side US worked with the Japanese government and corporations to destroy a thriving labour movement, that had grown vigorous since the end of the war, this lead to serious wage repression. In effect the US created the Japanese corporate oligarchy. |
Urina Aivo
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:19:00 -
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Dude, they could have gone to the communists! |
Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.10 02:27:00 -
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Urina Aivo wrote: Sounds like youv done a 360  also Well a bit, yes - I can see that the Japanese stuff is very interesting.
Urina Aivo wrote: Dude, they could have gone to the communists!
The more I look the more authentic I think it is, although the sequence of events is disordered. I don't really understand why the Caldari made the choices they made. If the tensions were internal, only within the oligarch, or, as was happening in Japan after WWII, the oligarch were more afraid of an emerging militant enfranchised class with able to express its view democratically, against which the threat of losing control over the stargates appears almost incidental. |
Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:36:00 -
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Evet Morrel wrote:Roga Dracor wrote:The correlations are numerous.. . Japan and Caldari alike? This had not occurred to me, I'm trying to think why not. The zaibatsu (the old Japanese family dynasties) which could be the analogue for the old Cladari families, were partially dissolved at the end of the war by SCAP; inadvertently creating the keiretsu. SCAP also imposed the Dodge line, including tax reform, fixing the exchange rate and stopping uneconomic government intervention.
It's interesting to me that the Caldari did something similar to themselves after their war, without a government they "cut away the rotten flesh". Pretty implausible imo after all there are many ways that inefficient corporations can retain market share in RL, especially without pesky regulations. It is certainly not usually for wars to produce the effect.
Unless, perhaps tea had some part to play in it? |
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