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jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:05:00 - [1] So i got a bit of cash right now and was wondering whether to buy either (i can buy both) of these two fine ships. I can see that the curse is about ~70mill and the zealot comes in at around ~100mill. I can fly both of these ships t2 fitted of course, but probs wont rig them as they i will probs die quite quickly. Also, anyone give me some nice setups for any of these ships which might help me in deciding? cheers
mcnuggetlol Amarr Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:06:00 - [2] Why I say good sir I believe the money would be better off going to me!
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:13:00 - [3] Originally by: mcnuggetlol Why I say good sir I believe the money would be better off going to me! rofl
Sarkiss Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:28:00 - [4] Originally by: jam6549 I can fly both of these ships t2 fitted of course, but probs wont rig them as they i will probs die quite quickly. If your really expecting to die that fast stick to Arbi's and Harbingers.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Sarkiss Originally by: jam6549 I can fly both of these ships t2 fitted of course, but probs wont rig them as they i will probs die quite quickly. If your really expecting to die that fast stick to Arbi's and Harbingers. i should of really said that i want to go straight into pvp with them. ive already got these two, and just want a specialised ship now. i don't think i will get instantly killed but its more than likely that i may.
achoura	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:27:00 - [6] Curse, solo or (very) small gang > zealot and always primary , zealot on the other hand isn't usually primary and being ranged tends to live longer. Stick to gang support, 35k pulses work very well, in fact you can use beams and faction crystals and get the same damage at pulse range, with the option of aurora for long range. The curse is a highly flexibly ship, waht it lacks in the raw tank and dps of the zealot it make up for in flexibility, resistance to ewar and "zomigod a curse". The zealot by comparison, while hitting hard and tanking well, is extremely vulnerable to frigs and ewar, a single un-bonused td will mess it up, thats before you tink about ecm, damps and neuts.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:52:00 - [7] Originally by: achoura Curse, solo or (very) small gang > zealot and always primary , zealot on the other hand isn't usually primary and being ranged tends to live longer. Stick to gang support, 35k pulses work very well, in fact you can use beams and faction crystals and get the same damage at pulse range, with the option of aurora for long range. The curse is a highly flexibly ship, waht it lacks in the raw tank and dps of the zealot it make up for in flexibility, resistance to ewar and "zomigod a curse". The zealot by comparison, while hitting hard and tanking well, is extremely vulnerable to frigs and ewar, a single un-bonused td will mess it up, thats before you tink about ecm, damps and neuts. yer i know that curse is probably more effective in a gang, and 30 mill cheaper, but is always primary...anyone got any post-nano nerf curse setups then?
Sarkiss Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:05:00 - [8] Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarkiss Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+ Could you illuminate why you'd choose a Pilgrim over a Curse in very small gang and solo situations? Is the cloak that useful (-> targeting delay)?
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Sarkiss Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+ Could you illuminate why you'd choose a Pilgrim over a Curse in very small gang and solo situations? Is the cloak that useful (-> targeting delay)? i spose pilgrim the pilgrim can fit a tank and wuldnt really be primary, but the range...hmmm
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Sarkiss Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+ Could you illuminate why you'd choose a Pilgrim over a Curse in very small gang and solo situations? Is the cloak that useful (-> targeting delay)? Uncloaking a pilgrim is less lame than uncloaking a falcon.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:19:00 - [12] Pilgrim is bad for small gang, it needs to get very close. Curse > Pilgrim / Gang Pilgrim > Curse / Solo
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:21:00 - [13] Zealot: looks pretty good Curse: looks like it is made from pure sex
Antimony Noske	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:46:00 - [14] In a solo duel, the curse will **** pretty much anything short of a battleship. But if you're solo pirating, the cloak on a pilgrim is very helpful.
achoura	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:58:00 - [15] Oh curse kill bs, it just takes time, which usually means help shows up
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:27:00 - [16] curse it is but has anyone got any fits then?
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:56:00 - [17] Originally by: jam6549 curse it is but has anyone got any fits then? [Curse] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Large Shield Extender II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Improved Cloaking Device II Egress Port Maximizer I Egress Port Maximizer I Nasty. Leave the tracking-disrupt-bonus behind, Amarr cant shoot without cap, same with Gallente, Minmatar mostly does not have the range, Caldari sucks anyway and you always have the opporturnity to run for youre life, since capless targets cant tackle, hehe.
king jks BSC LEGION Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:00:00 - [18] 2x med unstable neut 1x med nos 2x small neut 10mn MWD II disruptor II 2x balmers TD thukker LSE (or best named) large T2 cap battery 2x nano II 2x CPR II been using this, quite fun.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:34:00 - [19] All these hoods scare me. goes into Assasins' Creed Mode Karrade-Confirming all pirate babies come from me Surfin's PlunderBunny-I always knew you were a woman Karrade-I am a man of many talents.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:08:00 - [20] ah right, i see, so still the curse is geared towards speed and shield...any armour fits out there?
Havres	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:51:00 - [21] Originally by: jam6549 ah right, i see, so still the curse is geared towards speed and shield...any armour fits out there? 'Speed' and 'Curse' shouldn't go in the same sentence. You might be thinking more in the lines of outrunning/outranging guns (by using Tracking Disruptors). For optimal performance, fit an armor buffer. If you go that route, you don't even need a plate to achieve decent armor EHP with good resists (a MAR or SAR is highly recommended unless you're running with RR support), keeping the initial speed. With this, you can fit 2 TDs, AB/MWD, Point, Injector and still have a mid slot for whatever you wish. Pretty much the best way to go if you want effectiveness during actual combat. You can also go for a shield buffer. It'll increase your signature and you'll have terrible thermal and EM resists. The main sources of said damage types are Amarr and Gallente ships, which are especially vulnerable to you due to TDs and their cap need to fire guns, but getting caught off guard will lead to a very quick death. The signature penalty makes missiles, your main concern, more powerful, and a smart enemy will realize you're shield tanking and switch to EM, also leading to a very quick death. However, you're pretty much free to toy with the low slots. If you get a single LSE, you can fit for speed with an AB, reducing incoming damage from missiles. You can also fit for cap (4 CPRs will allow you to perma run 3-4 med neuts, removing the need to use a small neut to keep the target's cap down, as you can just use 2 meds with different starting cycle times). Really, many ways to go for a shield fit, but they're often far more specialized than an armor one.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:55:00 - [22] Originally by: jam6549 ah right, i see, so still the curse is geared towards speed and shield...any armour fits out there? here is one. I like it because you still get the awsomeness of TDs. but the agility is kindof meh. [Curse, armor tank] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 400 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Improved Cloaking Device II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Egress Port Maximizer I Egress Port Maximizer I Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Hobgoblin II x5 29k effective hitpoints. in big gangs I go 4x TDs and no cloak. Its quick enough even with the plate to escape big gatecamps so far.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Havres Originally by: jam6549 ah right, i see, so still the curse is geared towards speed and shield...any armour fits out there? 'Speed' and 'Curse' shouldn't go in the same sentence. You might be thinking more in the lines of outrunning/outranging guns (by using Tracking Disruptors). For optimal performance, fit an armor buffer. If you go that route, you don't even need a plate to achieve decent armor EHP with good resists (a MAR or SAR is highly recommended unless you're running with RR support), keeping the initial speed. With this, you can fit 2 TDs, AB/MWD, Point, Injector and still have a mid slot for whatever you wish. Pretty much the best way to go if you want effectiveness during actual combat. You can also go for a shield buffer. It'll increase your signature and you'll have terrible thermal and EM resists. The main sources of said damage types are Amarr and Gallente ships, which are especially vulnerable to you due to TDs and their cap need to fire guns, but getting caught off guard will lead to a very quick death. The signature penalty makes missiles, your main concern, more powerful, and a smart enemy will realize you're shield tanking and switch to EM, also leading to a very quick death. However, you're pretty much free to toy with the low slots. If you get a single LSE, you can fit for speed with an AB, reducing incoming damage from missiles. You can also fit for cap (4 CPRs will allow you to perma run 3-4 med neuts, removing the need to use a small neut to keep the target's cap down, as you can just use 2 meds with different starting cycle times). Really, many ways to go for a shield fit, but they're often far more specialized than an armor one. yer i used to use a speed fit curse before the nano-nerf and just fitted LSEs and speed in the lows. I'm just really wondering if anything has drastically changed with the curse since I flew one, but I guess I will pretty much fit it similarly.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: jam6549 ah right, i see, so still the curse is geared towards speed and shield...any armour fits out there? here is one. I like it because you still get the awsomeness of TDs. but the agility is kindof meh. [Curse, armor tank] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 400 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Improved Cloaking Device II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Egress Port Maximizer I Egress Port Maximizer I Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Hobgoblin II x5 29k effective hitpoints. in big gangs I go 4x TDs and no cloak. Its quick enough even with the plate to escape big gatecamps so far. cool fit but I'm scared it might be a little slow for me, altho the armour buffer is nice. If only it had one more low...maybe swap one mid for another low, then might be able to put some sort of active tank...
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:30:00 - [25] Originally by: jam6549 cool fit but I'm scared it might be a little slow for me, altho the armour buffer is nice. If only it had one more low...maybe swap one mid for another low, then might be able to put some sort of active tank... yeah, its a compromise since my shield skills are horrible and I really like tracking disruptors. Its not as slow as it looks, but it isnt fast either. In a gang someone else would have remote rep drones or reppers of some kind (even offline ones are fine if your ship has cap boosters because you can just inject and online/offline stuff) so you can rep between fights. Personally I prefer the pilgrim but its range is too short for anything other than solo or recon gangs.
king jks BSC LEGION Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:27:00 - [26] To me, the cap battery is invaluable, I try to never put cap boosters on any ship I'll be going roaming with.
Athas Darksun Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:18:00 - [27] Edited by: Athas Darksun on 20/01/2009 06:21:48 Originally by: fuxinos Pilgrim is bad for small gang, it needs to get very close. Curse > Pilgrim / Gang Pilgrim > Curse / Solo I disagree... Pilgrim is great in gangs and solo....depending how ya use it..and how the gang is comprised... Arazu - WD(s)/Damps/drones Rapier -Webs/TP/Drones Pilgrim - TDs/AB/Nuet/Moar Drones and wait for it... Falcon - Win = Loot = = Disappear In that order...
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:24:00 - [28] I would actually fly the Pilgrim in gangs. Sit off cloaked, wait for the fighting to begin, uncloak and unload your full rack of TDs on targets.
mrs hawk	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:05:00 - [29] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Sarkiss Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+ Could you illuminate why you'd choose a Pilgrim over a Curse in very small gang and solo situations? Is the cloak that useful (-> targeting delay)? i spose pilgrim the pilgrim can fit a tank and wuldnt really be primary, but the range...hmmm bro...are you nuts? a pilgrim not tank? LAWL... 1x marll , dcull , 2x eanm ll , 1600 rolled///// therm and a kinetic rigs. it'll out tank a curse anyday.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:35:00 - [30] Originally by: mrs hawk Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Sarkiss Pilgrim - Solo, very small Gang. Zealot - Medium Gang+ Could you illuminate why you'd choose a Pilgrim over a Curse in very small gang and solo situations? Is the cloak that useful (-> targeting delay)? i spose pilgrim the pilgrim can fit a tank and wuldnt really be primary, but the range...hmmm bro...are you nuts? a pilgrim not tank? LAWL... 1x marll , dcull , 2x eanm ll , 1600 rolled///// therm and a kinetic rigs. it'll out tank a curse anyday. yer i wrote it as statement rather than a realisation but seeing as ive been flying one before and got bored and annoyed at the range...

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