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Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:19:00 - [1] 1st off, I fully support this decision by CCP. Desktop users: anyone running a pre-SM2 card really has no business complaining because they can't run a game - the FX-series (5-series) Geforce cards which support SM2 were released in 2003 - desktop users can obtain an AGP FX5200 in the UK from Aria for the princely sum of ú21.56 inc. VAT, if you have a PCI-E slot then you can get a SM4.0 card for less than a fiver more! (if you only have PCI slots then Scan have a SM3.0 card for you at ú36.23 Inc VAT). Laptop users: the only Intel graphics Chipsets which support SM2.0 are the GMA 950, 3000 and 3100, The X3000 Supports SM3.0 & the X3100 upwards support SM4.0 - check your device manager or run DXDiag to check what's in your machine - if it's an Intel 845 or 815 then you're out of luck. If the whiners on this thread were to be listened to, we'd still be playing Doom on 386's (or even Elite on BBC model B's/Sinclair Sprctrums) - Technology moves on and so do the expectations of gamers, if Eve is to attract new "victims for the pirates"/players (delete as applicable) then it needs to look like a modern game - not one that's stuck 11 years in the past. TL/DR? - you can upgrade a desktop for the price of 2 monthly subs payments no matter how obsolete the slots are on the motherboard - laptops are obviously another issue but try this: take an 18-month break (assuming 1 account is taken "offline") and save up your sub money - you'll find that you can probably afford a laptop like this & install your current copy of XP on it.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Elysarian on 21/01/2009 23:24:15 Originally by: Shereza Let's think about this for a moment. I spend $45/month on EVE. A card like the one I eBay'd a few months ago would cost about $90 new, minimum, possibly more since it's AGP which isn't being made anymore and therefore price will go up as stock goes down. I've seen SDRAM and EDO cost 10-20x as much as DDR2 after all. I take it you failed to read my post there where I quoted prices for SM2.0 upwards gfx cards for all 3 slot types (PCI, AGP and PCI-E)? sigh
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.22 10:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Elysarian on 22/01/2009 10:28:16 Originally by: CloseLook I play on a p4 2.6ghz with 1gb ddr and a 256mb Ati radeon 9250 on agp. So for me it's not 50$ to upgrade the computer. To play premium I'l need totally new hardware wich donno If I can get it from under 500eu (like cheapest possible to make it work wich would mean 10/20 fps tops and that's when you mine alone in the system, dont wanna go for large fleets of 400vs400 that we started to have). I refer you to my post on page 7... factor in an extra 1Gig stick of RAM and you'd still be looking at a shade under $50 (at current rates) - leaving you with a PC that would be faster in general use as well as being capable of running Eve post-update.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.23 02:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Kataapa Admittedly, I'm not very computer literate about the configurations of my laptop, but I love to play EVE anyway. My concern is that with the new minimum SM2 requirement, I won't be able to use EVE anymore. I currently have a laptop (about 1 1/2 years old) running in the basic version of the program. it's an HP Pavilion dv2500 with an AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-58 1.90 GHz processor, 2 GB memory, and an NVIDIA 7150M/nforce 630M with 287 MB Shared memory. I'm using the Vista operating system. I'm not running on the premium version because with the classic version I usually am operating at 10 or less FPS, often only 3.0 fps. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a VISTA problem, because EVE runs just fine on a desktop that I've got running XP (2nd account). I've have no idea if the above hardware will support SM2 and wasn't able to find out anything about the video card on NVVIDA's web site. But I'd sure be disappointed to give up this account because of hardware limitations. Originally by: Lyssa T'Kran Anyone know if the intel 945 chipset for laptops is supported? I can't find any definitely information. I really don't want to have to buy a new laptop Quote1: you could actually play Premium at reduced resolution... Quote2: I answered this on another thread... 945 chipset is supposed to have GMA950 graphics which can run SM2.0... both should be good to go after the update in March
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Aunicor i have geforce 6600 fx will i need to change?? You won't need to change that one - it will continue to work just fine.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Gummychaos Well I'm thankful to CCP for making the updated graphics the standard and also finally bringing the mac platform in line with the PC version, graphics wise, the premium graphics run amazing. As for my specs, I run a Macbook Pro with a Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor with 4 GB of RAM and a GeForce 8600M GT with 256 MB VRAM. So hate on me for having an expensive laptop thats gonna last me a while, it was only $2100...although for those of you considering a new mac laptop, the new macbook, not pro with the GeForce 9400 M graphics chipset, not dedicated, can run EVE and it does have ShaderModel 3.0 support. Its only $1200, so take it for what it is. It is up to you to keep up with the way the game is going, I personally like this new direction we may lose lifelong players who've been here since the beginning, but its life, and we'll gain new players as well, those of you running multiple accounts on classic but can only run one on premium oh well, I don't feel one way or the other on that you either run it with the new premium lite or dont, personally imho, I like running one account and working in a corp with other people to do all those other jobs. But you do what you want with all that money you got going for ya. Also, note to CCP fix somethings with the mac client, allow a windowed mode from the settings screen instead of searching through a file and changing it. And also be able to actually go to the log out screen instead of quitting and rebooting. Other than that keep up the good work! Or... you could go get a WINDOWS laptop with the same specs for over $200 less? Seriously... Mac fanboys annoy me, especially when the only real difference nowadays between their machines and PC's is the OS - Personally I'm not willing to pay close to a $300 premium for the OS (if I want to use 'nix I'll buy a machine with no OS and install Ubuntu on it for nothing, saving even more).
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.24 23:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/01/2009 23:02:53 Yes I know, It is hard to not be born in an english speaking country but I am sure that you understood what I meant. Quote: Club3D GeForce 8800 GT GF 8800 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI Ç 128,33 Asus Asus EN9600GT MG/HTDP/512MD2 GF 9600 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI, TV Ç 83,17 Sapphire HD 4830 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4830 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV Ç 92,03 Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4850 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV Ç 119,90 Pretty expensive stuff and some of them can require a new power supply unit, and can generate overheat problems, depending of the tower, so more expenses... Upgrading is not cheaper than some players can think. And a 40$ card can not be enough to have a good game experience (or CCP will create a good SM 2.0 client, but I doubt of it). ALL of the cards you described here are Shader Model 4.0 or 4.1 and WAY overkill for the 10th March update... drop down to a Radeon 2/3xxx or Geforce 6/7-series and you may find the prices a LOT lower - especially if you shop on Ebay.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.26 14:28:00 - [8] I do have to wonder if the same people on this thread moaning about their ancient computers (yes - 6 years+ is ancient in PC terms, we've only had the Web for 16 years, 3D acceleration for 12 years) not supporting SM2.0 are the same groups who complain loudly about lag? It's a common misconception that all lag is server-bound, quite a bit is network-bound and some is client bound (especially if you have a lower-end processor, graphics card, amount of ram or a software sound card. CCP are, at the end of the day, a business. They have to keep up with other MMOs out there or die, updating the graphics is just one way of acheiving this and that is becoming increasingly hard for them as they (up to now) have been saddled with having to support hardware that gamers in other areas would laugh at (try playing any other modern game with a PC from 2003). As an example: World of Warcraft (vomits, then OCD hand-washes), which was released in November 2004 needs, as a recommended spec (anyone who considers themself a "gamer" knows to ignore the minimum specs unless you like playing a powerpoint presentation): Dual-core processor, such as the Intel Pentium D or AMD Athlon 64 X2. 1 GB RAM (2 GB for Vista users). 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability with 128 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT class card or better. Of course, WoW hasn't had a major graphical overhaul unlike Eve. Eve's requirements can be located on the Eve website Disclaimer: I have never and will never actually play WoW.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:21:00 - [9] After careful consideration of everyone's worries and complaints on this subject I have the following proposal: Premium: Keep as-is with option for future upgrade to SM4.0 or higher for those of us with the cash/system specs to support this (and the inclination) but have options built into this client to switch on/off any graphical niceties that may help the PvP people and others who don't require them - I can't see any reason why it would not be possible to code for different detail levels within the current engine. Is there any way, using the API, that it would be possible to implement a web interface to chat, skill setting and market? The latter would allow players to do those things whilst simultaneously reducing the strain on heavily-used nodes within the cluster (e.g. Jita) as the only access required by the web client would be to the database. I, for one, actually like the premium graphics (and apologise to anyone I may have inadvertantly upset with my previous comments - though I stick by the comment that it's possible to upgrade any desktop with a 2GHz+ processor for a lot less than $100/ú100/Ç100 to run premium gfx).
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.27 17:56:00 - [10] I have a feeling I might have worked out why CCP are pushing for higher shader model support... A quick search for "Elite4" on google reveals that Frontier Developments are to release it in 2009, after the release of another title called "The Outsider"... Further research shows that this game is to be multiplayer... My question is thus: Are CCP afraid that we might defect to Elite if it proves to be as good as the original(s) (I'm of course referring to content here, not graphics)? In response to the people who obviously have not read the dev blog properly or actually read many posts on this thread: CCP Are considering removing SM2.0 support later in 2009 - they have not said this is a definate!
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Elysarian on 28/01/2009 22:14:23 How many times does someone who's actually taken the time to read the devblogs AND keep up with this thread have to explain to some moron that CCP are NOT making SM3.0 a requirement, they are only dropping SM1.0 and making the entry-level a card with SM2.0... I have, along with other posters, listed options for people with limited resources and which onboard graphics chipsets (anything with an Intel GMA950 or higher for the lazy) will be compatible with Premium Lite. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 29/01/2009 11:46:52 Originally by: Elysarian How many times does someone who's actually taken the time to read the devblogs AND keep up with this thread have to explain to some moron that CCP are NOT making SM3.0 a requirement, they are only dropping SM1.0 and making the entry-level a card with SM2.0... Ok... You don't know how CCP works, don't you ? When a dev blog is published, the change will be done at the fixed ETA. Same if there are legitimate complains (missile nerf, shield more nerfed than armor, etc...), same if they unbalance something, they simply don't care. CCP stated that they wanted raise to SM 3.0 minimum at End 2009 ? They will certainly do it at End 2009, same if they told us that it is cancelled for the moment. After all, they did some estimations (estimations pff...) than 95% of players would have a SM 3.0 card for this ETA, so I don't see why they would stop this change. They just wanted to stop the potential bad advert that the dev blog created... The only moment where CCP really retreated was the Capital Nerf. I don't remember for anything else. Quote: Step 2: In the Winter Expansion 2009 we are considering discontinuing support for ShaderModel 2 and make the minimum specification ShaderModel 3(GeForce 6 class cards or ATi x1300 or compatible) Notice the word "considering" in there? That means it isn't set in stone - in light of this thread (I assume at least one dev is following it) I'm willing to bet they won't force SM 3.0 on everyone. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.12 21:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Doublewhopper Edited by: Doublewhopper on 09/02/2009 17:56:11 Well you can forget all things and hopes discussed in here or other threads. You can say GOODBYE TO ALL LAPTOPS with GeforceGo 5200 or cheap GMA chipsets and so on... The Premium lite client is available on the testserver as patch for the premium client. With classic i get 30 fps. With Premium lite i get 0,3 fps in space with everything turned off. ======== UPDATE: Played a little more with the settings. I get 12 fps now, but the graphics look broken now... You do realise that you're playing on a TEST Server? What that means, in plain english is that there's a lot of bloat in the code that won't be there come march 10th - you're playing on debug code which has a lot of extra stuff in it & isn't yet fully optimised. Some people are just too stupid. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Jim Outright Sorry to be a pain, but just adding to the list of laptop user's who would suffer a mental illness of some kind if I couldnt get on Eve when out and about. Would love to see the Lite client on SM2 and a premium on SM3 tho :) (lots of hard work obviously - but it'd make alot of us chuffed to bits) :P If I'm reading your post right you're asking for exactly what CCP are going to do Premium Lite = SM2.0 Premium = SM3.0
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Etana Elsam SM 1.4. :( Looks like I'll be moving to another game. -2 paying accounts for CCP. If that's a laptop then I'm sorry for you... If it's a desktop and has a free PCI (not even AGP or PCI-E) slot then you are an idiot... You're paying for 2 accounts: that's around $30 a month? For the price of one month's eve subs you could afford to get a SM 3.0 capable card like this. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Chen Mubai Perhaps I'm being a dufus, but is Premium Lite available for testing yet? I've just come form the test server patching page, but can't find any reference to my current holy grail. Is it elsewhere? Le Chen You aren't as I'm not sure it's clear in the devblogs. The current test build (for Singularity) has the new "Premium Lite" client included. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.03.05 21:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Aurvundill Edited by: Aurvundill on 05/03/2009 06:07:22 Those of you with laptop incompatibility it might be a good idea to try and find a copy of 3D-Analyze. It has the ability to force shaders to 1.1 - 1.4 for older cards, along with tweaking rendering settings. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_3D_analyze Quote: 3D Analyze is a software to emulate various 3D graphics such as shader 2.0 technology. Refer to the program website for further information or simply try your favorite search engine on the web. It has several options to emulate but is currently a very outdated software. Many find it useful in emulating grpahics that certain games require (when the user's graphics card simply doesnt support it). The website (mostly german from what i can tell) is http://www.tommti-systems.de/start.html However I'm not sure about the compatibility of it with EVE. Emulating SM2.0 probably isn't going to work - or if it does you'll be playing "Eve-Powerpoint". Emulate == "run the code on the CPU" This means that the people with those SM 1.0 and 1.4 cards, who will have PC's of a similar age will not only be trying to game on an older, single-core processor but that same processor will be trying to do the work of several (dozens of?) dedicated stream processors that later gfx cards have in them. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================

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