EVE Search - Titans and Doomsdays

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Titans and Doomsdays

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Harper04 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Harper04 on 19/01/2009 19:46:39 As we all know, the time is coming when Titans will effectively be able to DD capital fleets, instantly winning fleet battles. As such, eventually the nerfbat will swing one way or another crushing titans...or whichever alliance manages to get enough titans will essentially "win" EVE. Here is an idea: Make it so that only one of each type of Doomsday device may be used at the same time, to include the 10 second start-up timer. For example, if an Erebus activates its doomsday, then another Erebus must wait until the doomsday activates before being able to initiate its 10 second countdown. With this change, you could still coordinate to have four different titans DD at the same time, effectively killing any sub-capital fleet (what happens currently). Even in the case of 2-3 titans of similiar races a 10 second delay between each would still be enough to kill a battleship fleet. This change would effectively remove the end-game scenario of titans being able to DD capital fleets, while still leaving their ability to destroy fleet blobs. Discuss
Allahs Warrior Gallente Heavenbound	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:50:00 - [2] If your capital fleet gets septuple or whatever doomsdayed (not sure how many it takes to pop an entire capfleet) then you did some bad FCing. But proliferation will keep happening, that is true, question is what happens when two opposing titans DD eachother's fleets? Whoever hits theirs in the infinitecimally small amount of time before the other gets it off and the other has to let them escape?
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:51:00 - [3] It wouldn't solve a thing unfortunately. If nothing else once the Dreadnoughts are in siege mode they won't be going anywhere so 12 DDD's at once or spread over 30 seconds is gonna make no real difference to their survival chances. They can't warp out so all they can do is sit there and hope that the extra armor they can rep in the 30 seconds while all the DDD's go off will be enough to save them. And if it is, the alliance in question will simpy build 4 more Titans and next time round it won't be.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Allahs Warrior If your capital fleet gets septuple or whatever doomsdayed (not sure how many it takes to pop an entire capfleet) then you did some bad FCing. But proliferation will keep happening, that is true, question is what happens when two opposing titans DD eachother's fleets? Whoever hits theirs in the infinitecimally small amount of time before the other gets it off and the other has to let them escape? How would it be bad FC'ing? If there are no Titans on battle field but there are **** load of other capital ships in play you are going to have to deploy your own capital fleet to fight them off. Carriers aren't so vulnerable (as long as they aren't in triage) but eventually a battle will force Dreadnoughts into siege mode. Once theyre in siege and effectively trapped is when the Titans come in and drop the hammer. There is no way round it.
Harper04 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:56:00 - [5] Originally by: fkingfurious If there are no Titans on battle field but there are **** load of other capital ships in play you are going to have to deploy your own capital fleet to fight them off. Carriers aren't so vulnerable (as long as they aren't in triage) but eventually a battle will force Dreadnoughts into siege mode. Once theyre in siege and effectively trapped is when the Titans come in and drop the hammer. There is no way round it. This is the scenario I was going for. There's no pos sieging without dreads actually going into siege and being stuck for 10 minutes.
Allahs Warrior Gallente Heavenbound	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:58:00 - [6] Step 1: Your intel agency ALWAYS knows when their titan pilots are online. Step 2: Your spies in the other corp SHOULD know if their titan pilots are in the general vicinity even if you just have basic member level spies, but most people have higher-up level spies in other corps anyway. Step 3: Never fight a prolonged battle against a superior force, that means if your titan fleet is too small to reply to their titan fleet, you try to either split their titan fleet or avoid it.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Allahs Warrior Step 1: Your intel agency ALWAYS knows when their titan pilots are online. Step 2: Your spies in the other corp SHOULD know if their titan pilots are in the general vicinity even if you just have basic member level spies, but most people have higher-up level spies in other corps anyway. Step 3: Never fight a prolonged battle against a superior force, that means if your titan fleet is too small to reply to their titan fleet, you try to either split their titan fleet or avoid it. Fail. So what you're basically saying is that when the Titans are online you never deploy your capitals? So while the hostile capital fleet with it's online (but quite possibly afk, id make ****ing sure my titan pilots were always logged in regardless of what they were actually doing) Titan pilots is marauding through your space reinforcing each and every POS you own you sit back and do nothing because basically the odds are that as soon as you deploy your cap fleet it's gonna get instantly nuked into the stone age? Bad FC'ing doesnt come into it. Once an entity can DDD a capital fleet nothing can stop them. Well organised capital fleets MUST be countered by capital ships, which you can't do with the ever looming threat of instant annihilation. Other than simply not fighting back there is now way to avoid getting destroyed.
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:12:00 - [8] weirdly, we were only discussing this on the corp forum today. we reckon a cap-killing DEATHBEAM that could 1 shot all but a perfectly setup dread, but has **** all tracking (see: the death star)would be badass, and limit the m-m-m-multikill potential of a titan fleet. and i reckon that to let titans deal with fleets this should be capable of being remodulated into a 30degree AOE with greatly reduced strength from teh cap-killing DEATHBEAM.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:41:00 - [9] Servers aren't stable enough, even with StacklessIO, to handle that many DD calculations in the time it would take to kill a capital fleet.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Viper **zIe Servers aren't stable enough, even with StacklessIO, to handle that many DD calculations in the time it would take to kill a capital fleet. Looking forward to the first alliance testing it..-a- and bob together got enough titans to doomsday a carrier fleet.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:12:00 - [11] it was tried before (or rumoured to), plausible. You can't rep alpha damage =P but no way in hell current CCP infrastructure can sustain that.
Will Barton NorCorp Security Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Allahs Warrior Step 1: Your intel agency ALWAYS knows when their titan pilots are online. Step 2: Your spies in the other corp SHOULD know if their titan pilots are in the general vicinity even if you just have basic member level spies, but most people have higher-up level spies in other corps anyway. Step 3: Never fight a prolonged battle against a superior force, that means if your titan fleet is too small to reply to their titan fleet, you try to either split their titan fleet or avoid it. uhm...you havent done much large scale fights latly have you? Seems like there is almost always a titan present nowdays
Soi Mala	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Viper **zIe Servers aren't stable enough, even with StacklessIO, to handle that many DD calculations in the time it would take to kill a capital fleet. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/OlivierC/armageddon_day_2.wmv
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:53:00 - [14] I wish hte whole "DD and warp out" days of the Titan would end. The "fathers of the fleet" dont even do one of the functions their supposed to: fit cap guns and participate in cap fights (e.g. the trailer before they were released)...Those bonus's go ignored in favour of nanoing and ninja-DD'ing IMO Give them uber bonus's to capital weapons so they might actually stay in the fight..
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:48:00 - [15] Originally by: BiggestT I wish hte whole "DD and warp out" days of the Titan would end. The "fathers of the fleet" dont even do one of the functions their supposed to: fit cap guns and participate in cap fights (e.g. the trailer before they were released)...Those bonus's go ignored in favour of nanoing and ninja-DD'ing IMO Give them uber bonus's to capital weapons so they might actually stay in the fight.. Sorta missing the point there. The whole problem is that atr some point there will be enough Titans in one alliance to nuke a cap fleet. As there won't actually be anything left to fight after that happens who gives a **** if the Titans hang around or not.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:14:00 - [16] Edited by: BiggestT on 20/01/2009 14:14:38 Originally by: fkingfurious Originally by: BiggestT I wish hte whole "DD and warp out" days of the Titan would end. The "fathers of the fleet" dont even do one of the functions their supposed to: fit cap guns and participate in cap fights (e.g. the trailer before they were released)...Those bonus's go ignored in favour of nanoing and ninja-DD'ing IMO Give them uber bonus's to capital weapons so they might actually stay in the fight.. Sorta missing the point there. The whole problem is that atr some point there will be enough Titans in one alliance to nuke a cap fleet. As there won't actually be anything left to fight after that happens who gives a **** if the Titans hang around or not. Of course, I was saying this under the assumption that DD's were nerfed/altered to favour such a change.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:25:00 - [17] It'll take at least 20 doomsdays to kill a dread, assuming its not fitted. To be certain of squashing properly fitted dreds, you want maybe 40. Deploying 6 or so trillion isk worth of titans to one fight seems to me to be a bit pointless, especially when that can buy literally anything else, up to and including a dread for everyone in your alliance. Now much as a huge titan fleet is pretty scary, and next to impossible to really fight, you can't do anything useful with it. Can't really attack POSes, can't hold territory, need a MASSIVE amount of jump fuel.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:37:00 - [18] Edited by: fkingfurious on 20/01/2009 15:38:48 Edited by: fkingfurious on 20/01/2009 15:38:30 Originally by: Katarlia Simov It'll take at least 20 doomsdays to kill a dread, assuming its not fitted. To be certain of squashing properly fitted dreds, you want maybe 40. Deploying 6 or so trillion isk worth of titans to one fight seems to me to be a bit pointless, especially when that can buy literally anything else, up to and including a dread for everyone in your alliance. Now much as a huge titan fleet is pretty scary, and next to impossible to really fight, you can't do anything useful with it. Can't really attack POSes, can't hold territory, need a MASSIVE amount of jump fuel. What do you mean you can't do anything useful with it? Unless you think that the fleet is going to consist of X number of Titans and nothing else. In the grand scheme of things 40 pilots is insignificant. You would still have a FULL fleet plus the backup of the Titan Doom Brigade. Any attempt to prevent a strategic assault (most likely against a POS) would result in your Dreadnoughts being wiped once they go into Siege mode, effectively meaning you lose. If you're defending and you control the Titan hammer it's equally simple. Dreadnoughts go into siege mode to assault a tower, they all get DDD'd. Once a fleet can do it they cannot lose, and a mere 60 minutes after doing it once they can do it again. You would simply not be able to beat it.
Sonorra Baki Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:10:00 - [19] I don't get why it is gameover only when dreads can be alpha DDD'ed. Whats gonna keep the titans on the field once everything and carriers are wiped?

Pages: [1] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.