Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Elex Akat
Gallente Black Bag Operations
|
Posted - 2009.01.20 15:44:00 -
[1]
I had this idea for a story about a gang of non pod pilots that steals rare ships and sells them on the black market. They would use special stealth drones that could fit people inside and then go in through the drone bay. Once inside they would hack into the ships computer and forcibly make the pod eject then warp out.
So is this possible by Eve fiction standards or am I a raving lunatic? |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
|
Posted - 2009.01.20 16:00:00 -
[2]
The ships that pod-pilots fly are specifically tailored to fit a pod that replaces the whole bridge. However with a small ship, frigate or cruiser hull size, you could have a team enter it that would hack the systems and make it operate as a normal ship again. I could imagine you'd need sufficient hardware on board to accomplish this though. Could be smuggled on board in various manners.
Also I'd use trojan horse drones rather than stealth, if only to make things a bit more exiting. Drone bays don't exactly sound large to me so squeezing in twice the capacity would get noticed!
Hope that helps. Looking forward to the story already |
Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2009.01.20 16:09:00 -
[3]
Drone bays on, for example, a Hulk or a Harbinger is 50 m3. With 2 meter head room that is 25 m2. Or about half the size of a one room apartment.
But I guess you would have to wait until the ships drones are somewhere else.
|
Elex Akat
Gallente Black Bag Operations
|
Posted - 2009.01.20 21:05:00 -
[4]
I was thinking more along the lines of small drones that could barely fit a person inside and therefore be pretty invisible even to the target ships camera drones. To gain entry, the stealth drones would send an override signal to the bay to open it, hopefully without the pilot noticing. |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
|
Posted - 2009.01.20 21:11:00 -
[5]
Ah right, I was thinking of drones of the regular size with cloaking technology. They would indeed be a lot smaller if all they needed to do was move a person and cloak. |
Mithfindel
Gallente Zenko Group
|
Posted - 2009.01.22 11:42:00 -
[6]
I do believe we do have prior player-written fiction about having stolen ships (by Istvaan - though I find the method used there slightly lacking, since personally it sounds too easy to penetrate the ship's defences even if unmanned at the moment - a copy of the stories here: http://eve.klaki.net/fiction/ - I referred to "Hijacked")
Then there's a story in one of the EON magazines that mentioned that a crew of a ship (I believe a Thorax cruiser) had mutinied against the suicidal tactics used by its commander, cut the comms to the pod, and overridden the pod interface to mess up with the commander's brain.
Of course, even if ingame the ship hangars (not counting corporate hangars) are perfectly safe, in fiction you could imagine people breaking in and commandeering an abandoned ship with a skeleton crew, perhaps using a hack on the pod interface to be able command the ship via some kind of a console (a bit like we use a computer to "simulate" the said interface).
And then, there is a certain mention of Freedom Fighters trying to capture a whole Archon-class carrier (again in EON). Carriers and other ships with corp hangars are special cases, as within the fiction, small ships (basically, ships that fit into the carrier's maintenance array) are supposed to be able to dock to them. The only problem is that capital ships have a huge crew, so you need to find a way how to remove the crew from the picture. If capturing fully manned ships, cruiser crews would already be large enough to be of issue to any boarding parties, since they number in the hundreds, even if only small security patrols are assumed to be armed. Capturing Amarr ships (with a large amount of slave crew, who likely wouldn't mind changing owners as long as Vitoc is provided) could be a possibility, though.
|
Intercepta
|
Posted - 2009.01.22 12:33:00 -
[7]
how about stealing ofine pos,go in scramble the towers targetting, hack the shield then use or dismantle the tower.... now that would be fun and solve some other issues |
Elex Akat
Gallente Black Bag Operations
|
Posted - 2009.01.23 18:09:00 -
[8]
For crew control I was thinking that the thieves would kill whatever personnel they happened across in the droen bay then once they accessed the ships systems they would threaten to vent the oxygen in the crew compartments if they attempted mutiny. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:27:00 -
[9]
my theory is that in combat a ship would load "Marine Modules" into something like torpedo launchers, these would have a massively armored nose cone and deliver their invaders by punching through the hull. now id imagine spec ops forces could have a form of combat space suits so venting the section of the ship they are in wouldnt help, the suits could also dampen their life signs making them harder to track.
now to take the ship, two methods are viable. cutting off the pod and seizing control from engineering or bringing a hacker on board who hacks the pod control systems and fools them into thinking the core has gone critical making it eject the current pilot's pod where it then gets popped and the invaders bring their own pod pilot in who simply jacks in.
|
Yuu Yuki
|
Posted - 2009.02.09 02:15:00 -
[10]
If its a normal manned ship then yes. Easily possible. If it's a pod controlled ship though more difficult. Youd have to carry on with you a way to interface with the ship afterwards in addition to the tools to render control of the ship. Since Capsuleers replace a good number of people and command bridges are normally fairly well sized. I would say that whatever device you would use to do so would have to be moderately large or very sophisticated.
However! If you kept another ship nearby, cloaked or out of range, then all the invaders would have to do is render control of the ship. Getting the pod out or otherwise ineffective I would say would be doable, as long as the team could get through the obstacles. Doors, people etc. Then the nearby ship could either have its pilot eject and dock with the ship, or transfer over the equipment needed to refit the ship to be controllable with a crew instead of Capsuleer.
This WOULD involve getting access to the pod room/command bridge though. You would not find some magical console in the drone bay that let you control the ship :P Youd find a number of magical consoles in the control bridge though. Not so many in a pod room however. Expect the pilot(s) and crew to provide challenges in getting there though. Thats my take on it atleast. |
|
Marine HK4861
Caldari Radical Technologies
|
Posted - 2009.02.09 17:51:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Elex Akat For crew control I was thinking that the thieves would kill whatever personnel they happened across in the droen bay then once they accessed the ships systems they would threaten to vent the oxygen in the crew compartments if they attempted mutiny.
I can forsee several problems with that.
For one, they have to override the capsuleer's controls without them noticing. The drone bay may not have permission to access the ship's systems (it's routed through the capsuleer's systems), forcing the boarding party to go deeper inside the ship.
They then need to get past the intruder countermeasures and I can think of several countermeasures that they'd have little or no defence against (flooding entire compartments with a foam that rapidly hardens into a solid mass is a good start).
As for venting the atmosphere from crew compartments, there's the number of crew and their distribution you have to contend with.
Cruisers for example have several hundred people. Assuming that there are 3 overlapping shifts, there would be approximately 200 people wandering about the ship at any one time (more if they're at alert), so you'd have to vent the entire ship to kill all the crew.
I'm not saying it's impossible to hijack a capsuleer ship, I'm just saying that it will be very difficult and will need substantial numbers of assault troops.
A few 4 man teams isn't going to cut it on anything with more crew than an industrial (approx 100 people if I remember correctly).
|
Underachieving Tord
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 05:13:00 -
[12]
Why do u guys assume that only because you have the measurements for the dronebay, it has to be one single compartement? Couldnt it be that the ship has a total space in meters and mass avaliable for drones, and when the ships captain decides wich ones to use, he/she equips the ship with the right kind of 'dronebay'. And by that, something more similar to missile-tubes directly springs to my mind. Wich, in my fantasy here, means that any team of hi-jackers would have a hard time when getting on board a drone that's entering a ship since I cant see why you'd contruct the dronebay so a person just can walk out of a drone and into the ship. More likely (in a universe where you can build multi-kilometer long superstructures and other incredible techonlogical marvels) is that drones lies dormant in kind of a cradle/tube-thingy compartment, perhaps even on the outside of the ship, or at least in a compartment totaly unequipped for human life. I got this vision of a drone docking to its 'cradle', the cradle then closes tightly around the drone, and starts taking tests and lubeing it up and (Damn it, I'm not a native english speaker, this is hard stuff to write for me , sorry) well, you see where I'm going? I just ment that persons 'getting out' of the probe wouldn't have anywhere to go. The area around the drone would be tight and sealed shut, and there would be a myriad of electronic devices plugged into the drone. Let's say you could break the computerized locks that shuts the drone 'cradle' closed, only thing that would happen is you gettin out either directly into space or to kind of a 'launch-tube'.
Haha, wall of text here. What I meant is that civilisations that can build super large structures in space and so on and so forth, shouldnt have the need to build a combat-drone compartment where human engineers could enter and exit. In my mind, each drone gets taken care of by it's own computerized cradle, ofc with an engineer overlooking the process in a digital way.
|
Jake Raven
Gallente
|
Posted - 2009.02.10 06:44:00 -
[13]
After giving this some thought... You can currently undock your pod in space.
If you want to use drones in the process of hijacking, why not use the drones to forcibly eject the pod, thereby allowing another pod to dock and take control of the ship. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 04:15:00 -
[14]
wouldnt even need to use the drones for that. hit the engine room and muck with the sensors on the main core and tell the pod controls the ship is about to explode due to core overload. ship ejects the pod and the pod interface goes into standby waiting for a new pod.
|
Gracchus Smythe
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
|
Posted - 2009.02.17 10:37:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker my theory is that in combat a ship would load "Marine Modules" into something like torpedo launchers, these would have a massively armored nose cone and deliver their invaders by punching through the hull.
Sound a lot like Warhammer 40K, when Space Marines go to board a Hulk or other ships
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |