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xxxak	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:38:00 - [1] Assuming a full T2 fit, which is currently the better PVP ship? Assuming, however, T2 on the rupture and T1 on the Thorax, which would you rather fly? How about the Vexor?
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:46:00 - [2] Assuming both are fully ripe, which is the better fruit: Apples or Oranges? Assuming the apple is ripe but the orange is not, which would you rather eat? How about bananas?
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Assuming both are fully ripe, which is the better fruit: Apples or Oranges? Assuming the apple is ripe but the orange is not, which would you rather eat? How about bananas? this -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Assuming the apple is ripe but the orange is not, which would you rather eat? Quoted for emphasis. Generally speaking, if all other things are equal a T2 fit cruiser will outperform a T1 fit cruiser. Mind you, 'T1 fit' is different than 'can fit T2 but am fitting some good named items to save on grid/CPU'. As for which is better, both are pretty versatile ships and both do their job very well. I personally prefer the Thorax because of its single weapon focus, MWD bonus, and it's very large drone bay while others prefer the utility high slots and capless weapons on the Rupture. So assuming that you're equally skilled for both, its more a matter of personal preference than anything else. As for the Vexor, it does suffer from 'Tier 2 Cruiser Syndrome' (i.e. fewer slots), but its huge drone bay make it more than capable and very flexible. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
xxxak	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:40:00 - [5] Bronson, thanks. I guess I will go with the Rupture since I can fly it slightly better.
nakKEDK Gallente Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:42:00 - [6] Def rupture. thorax only shines when you can sqeeze the last dps out, that make you pop the other ship alot faster.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:50:00 - [7] If the thorax gets to range for scram and web, I think it probably will win. Especially if using ecm drones so the repture won't be shooting back much. However the rupture has nice falloff and can stay away from this if desired. Also can fit 1600mm plate, while thorax fit 800mm.
nakKEDK Gallente Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:52:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc If the thorax gets to range for scram and web, I think it probably will win. Especially if using ecm drones so the repture won't be shooting back much. However the rupture has nice falloff and can stay away from this if desired. Also can fit 1600mm plate, while thorax fit 800mm. this isnt a ****ing 1v1 thread its about which to choose. on side note: hammerheads for more gank k
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:54:00 - [9] I fly a Thorax. I have a Thorax fit--nothing out of the ordinary--that kills Ruptures. Having said that, my impression is that the Rupture is probably a "better" PvP ship, in that there are Rupture setups that are more versatile (effective in a variety of scenarios) than any single Thorax setup. Here's another way of putting it: For a given scenario, there's a common Thorax setup (e.g. Platerax or Gankerax) more effective than the typical Rupture setup. In the wild, the typical Rupture setup is more likely to be effective in a wider range of encounters than whatever single Thorax setup one may be flying.
yrknat	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:06:00 - [10] Both are awesome and you really can't go wrong flying either. Fly the one that suits your style more.
Haalanii	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:45:00 - [11] These ships usually fill the same role in a small gangs. They are cheap, plated brawlers. The main differences are small ones: A thorax lets you field 5x medium drones while the rupture has a second dps bonus and more weapons. Usually a plated rupture > a plated thorax in 1v1. The only trump card would be bigger ecm drones on the thorax possibly saving the day. A vexor is better than the thorax in 1v1. However a thorax doesn't depend on drones to travel and deal damage (or return to ship before warping) so it performs better in larger gangs with many targets spread out. The thorax has more potential for a real tank but in practice it must use a damage mod or two if it wants to match the vexor's drone damage. It also loses much of its grid by fitting medium blasters. I strongly suggest you go with your skill set. If you can fit one of these fully T2 then go with that one. I'd put the ruppy and vex over the thorax in most small gang situations. If you have poor drone skills obviously that changes things again.
Caffeine Junkie Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Assuming both are fully ripe, which is the better fruit: Apples or Oranges? Assuming the apple is ripe but the orange is not, which would you rather eat? How about bananas? lmao! --------------------------------- (c) CJ 2009
Itradez	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:43:00 - [13] Originally by: TimMc while thorax fit 800mm. Nop. [Thorax, 1600mm fun] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5
Xol'tan Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:51:00 - [14] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I ECM drones for solo Hammerhead II for gang.
Ynos Fukse	Posted - 2009.01.23 12:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Xol'tan Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I ECM drones for solo Hammerhead II for gang. are you joking right???
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 12:23:00 - [16] Originally by: nakKEDK Originally by: TimMc If the thorax gets to range for scram and web, I think it probably will win. Especially if using ecm drones so the repture won't be shooting back much. However the rupture has nice falloff and can stay away from this if desired. Also can fit 1600mm plate, while thorax fit 800mm. this isnt a ****ing 1v1 thread its about which to choose. on side note: hammerheads for more gank In that case, I would prefer a thorax. Its really nice to deal so much damage in such a small ship, but I imagine rupture would die less.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.23 13:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Assuming both are fully ripe, which is the better fruit: Apples or Oranges? Assuming the apple is ripe but the orange is not, which would you rather eat? How about bananas? I prefer bananas. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Psiri	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Xol'tan Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I ECM drones for solo Hammerhead II for gang. Yes, a very effective ship. I also recommend the triple poly-rigged rifter!
Xori Ruscuv Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:16:00 - [19] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 23/01/2009 14:16:13 Rupture. Far more versatile. Especially if you can fit it better. Thorax is still a handy ship. Just not quite up to the Rupture.
Kirtan Loor Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:38:00 - [20] Depends on what you want to do with them. If you are in a large gang and you are there for dps support, go for vexor and sentries. Let others do the tackle and stuff. For smaller gangs/solo action I'd go with a thorax. That 50m^3 drone bay allow's you to utilize 5x light ecm drones or 5x warrior II's at will. As for using 1600mm setups it is most effective when you mix weapon sizes. 3 med electron blasters + 2 Light Neutron Blasters and add a mag field stab instead of RCU. there is a slight range mismatch, but you'll be upclose and personal with your enemy anyway. Also Blaster Moa is a decent close range platform which is extremely underrated. Maybe not on the same level with rupture and thorax, but definitely effective.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:43:00 - [21] If you are not 1v1 i would recommend the Rupture as you can hit out to 22km or so with Barrage a 3 faaloff rigs...this is prolly alot more helpfull than having to get into blaster range with the Rax. My 2 isk... -- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:55:00 - [22] In light of the speed change patch, they should really change the MWD bonus on the Rax to something more useful. Dunno what, but it needs something with more oomph.
chinnychinchin	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:18:00 - [23] mangos are not the sharpest of fruits
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:15:00 - [24] There is no "I Win" ship. But for Cruisers, the Rupture is King. Its versatility is simply unmatched. It's great for gang support due to decent buffer and large range of engagement, and THE solo cruiser PvP ship. In a 1v1 situation, the only cruiser that threatens it is the Thorax, and if you're a decent pilot, it's not a problem. Triple Ambit Ruppies can hit for decent damage outside of overheat web range. Load up Barrage, sit outside of web range and laugh. For all other cruisers get in close and unload.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Ynos Fukse Originally by: Xol'tan Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I ECM drones for solo Hammerhead II for gang. are you joking right??? this a rigged cruiser? cmon one of those rigs is worth more than the entire ship + fittings

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