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MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 25	Posted - 2012.04.19 06:12:00 - [1] - Quote OK, first thread posted on the forums I hope I don't fail miserably. Anywho on to the business at hand. See I just gained access to level 4's and am currently wondering what ship to fly. I was thinking megathron or Apoc but hybrids and lasers just seem to fill 2 damage niches. I can go raven or maelstrom but am confused on just which ship to pick exactly. I guess I'm just looking for a ship that's pretty forgiving but can dish out punishment back, if you could help me find that ship then you would be most helpful! Please help oh wise masters of ships and modules decide what ships to fly!
ACE81 Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels 3	Posted - 2012.04.19 06:21:00 - [2] - Quote Any of those ships will do if you have the skills if not use a drake to you less painful imo
Miles O'Connor Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners 0	Posted - 2012.04.19 06:34:00 - [3] - Quote ACE81 wrote: Any of those ships will do if you have the skills if not use a drake till you do less painful imo Using a Drake in a level 4 mission when you don't have good enough skills to fit a BS well is not likely to end well...and if it works, it'll take FOREVER. OP, we need to know what sort of skills you have in order to give you advice that's more relevant to you. Shield? Armor? Turrets? Missiles? Race ship training?
IGNATIUS HOOD Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance 307	Posted - 2012.04.19 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote I use a Navy Apoc personally. Its forgiving and with Pulses and Scorches you can usually hammer most of the bigger ships before they really get in close to hurt you. With all L4 missions you need to mind the aggro when you solo and you need to make sure you kill the ewar ships first. Trust me you don't want to be scrammed and webbed. Kill those guys off and keep moving to keep your transversal up. I'm at work otherwise I'd post my Napoc fit. Email me or chat me in game if you want to see it. Also, unless you're grinding for standing and can't afford to pass on missions. Don't do the faction ones. They are typically pretty difficult and you lose standing with the faction you're fighting which could have bad long term consquences if you are a career missioner. I speak from expirience, the Minmatar and the Gallente hate my guts becuase of all the ass beatings I gave them on my grind to 8+ standing for Jump Clones. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim' Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. ~I fly spaceships~
OmegaMahn Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.04.19 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote My favorite is the Ishtar - good resists, fairly fast, can use high slots to tractor/salvage or for guns, and cruiser hull gets less ninjas - but you have to have good drone skills.
MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 25	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:25:00 - [6] - Quote Miles O'Connor wrote: ACE81 wrote: Any of those ships will do if you have the skills if not use a drake till you do less painful imo Using a Drake in a level 4 mission when you don't have good enough skills to fit a BS well is not likely to end well...and if it works, it'll take FOREVER. OP, we need to know what sort of skills you have in order to give you advice that's more relevant to you. Shield? Armor? Turrets? Missiles? Race ship training? Well I mostly have skills in armor and turrets and raceship wise I'm trained minmatar/gallente.
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 48	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:40:00 - [7] - Quote Based on your skill set, train for the Dominix. It has ample tank to handle Level 4s and eventually can be very competitive DPS-wise. Drone skills are useful no matter what race you want to fly in the future.
Hya Bam It's Hammer Time 5	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:47:00 - [8] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Based on your skill set, train for the Dominix. It has ample tank to handle Level 4s and eventually can be very competitive DPS-wise. Drone skills are useful no matter what race you want to fly in the future. Was just going to suggest this. Domi is very forgiving; you can start of with max tank, and as you become more comfortable and experienced with lvl 4's, edge your way toward gank. Only drawback is that drones make up a good portion of your damage, so halfway decent drone skills are needed. Is this sig EVE related?
MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 25	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:10:00 - [9] - Quote So don't use blasters for missions but instead use railguns on my domi? Also just a quick question so after the domi should I go megathron?
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 48	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:15:00 - [10] - Quote If you stick with PvE for that long, then stick with the Dominix until you go to the Vindicator or Kronos. You can play around with a Navy Dominix or Navy Megathron along the way if you like. These days I mostly fly Marauders for PvE, but I still have a few [Navy] Dominixes at old mission running locations throughout Gallente and Minmatar space. Rails are much better than blasters for Level 4 missions. The only exception to this is against Angels. My anti-Angel fit uses T2 heavy drones, blasters, an AB, and a web (with a flight of sentries to snipe at them until they get close).

Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 2	Posted - 2012.04.20 11:13:00 - [11] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: So don't use blasters for missions but instead use railguns on my domi? Also just a quick question so after the domi should I go megathron? Blasters are only good at close range - even using Tech-2 neutron cannons, with long-range T2 null charges, your optimal's less than 20km, the tracking on large guns isn't any good against anything lighter-weight than a battlecruiser, and it's only a minority of the NPC rats that will let you get into blaster range, especially with a Domi - the ship moves like a slug. For missions, you really need the longer range that railguns will give you. As for the Megathron, it's more geared for PVP combat - much smaller drone bay, but it can be fitted with a massive armor buffer and set up for either railgun sniper combat or close-range blaster brawling. I got caught on the wrong side of one in a war earlier this year, and with an armor-repairing logistics ship backing it up, it tore me and my corp-mates to pieces and barely took a scratch. However, it's not set up to solo L4 missions, which will throw all sizes of ships at you - that's where the Domi's drone bay comes in handy, as you'll have weapons on hand to counter everything from frigates to battleships. The Mega's only got a 125 m3 drone bay, enough for either a single flight of heavies/sentries, or an assortment of mediums and lights. (Also, the drones will let you select your damage against the hostiles you can expect to face, whereas hybrid weapons always and only deal kinetic and thermal damage.)
General Trajan State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:31:00 - [12] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: Well I mostly have skills in armor and turrets and raceship wise I'm trained minmatar/gallente. as important in what to fly now it is also important and what you'd like to fly down the road and for what purposes possibly outside of just L4s. for now the meal is a solid choice for L4s though you will need shield skills. then think of what else you can branch into more awesome ships to fly. does the machariel sound sexy? maxing out L4s running by getting into the vargur? like tier-3s and want one of the most popular in the tornado? same goes if you go with gallente. domi/thron are solid to start out. then you got vindicator for faction pimp. then kronos for all around L4 whoring.
Kalli Brixzat 9	Posted - 2012.04.21 05:22:00 - [13] - Quote Any BS can do L4's with relative ease. Some will have a tougher go early on with low skills. In essence, if you have **** skills, you're going to have a hard time with ships that need to get close (i.e. blaster and A/C boats). The Raven is always an excellent choice because you can just out-range most mission rats and take no damage. Your DPS won't be "omgwtflol", but slow and steady wins the race early on. At first, your primary goal should be to not die. As you progress and perhaps get into a navy BS, you can start to worry about mission completion speed.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 807	Posted - 2012.04.21 06:26:00 - [14] - Quote I'd drop a hardner each on the domi fit posted above and use mag stabs. But trust me, a blaster/AC ship can be loads of fun if you are not obsessive about isk/hr.
Lili Lu 203	Posted - 2012.04.21 16:12:00 - [15] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: So don't use blasters for missions but instead use railguns on my domi? Also just a quick question so after the domi should I go megathron? FT had good advice and fit for you. As for blasters, they simply don't have enough range. Missions are largely a kill things at range before they get close and do damage to you exercise. Whether you are using missiles, guns, or drones range is your best tactic. That is why your domi should be centered on Sentry drones. Heavys are excruciatingly slow to get to target. As for a Mega, I have seen people get frustrated with an lose them too often. If you want a Gallente mission BS other than a Domi I would suggest playing around with Hyperion because it gets a tanking bonus in addtion to a damage bonus. But the Domi will still outperform it as the 6 lows on the Hype means you have to have good skills and make intelligent choices with your fittings.
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 174	Posted - 2012.04.21 16:21:00 - [16] - Quote Whatever you do, make sure to check eve-survival for mission information, and pick tank/ammo accordingly. And make sure you train for a T2 tank ASAP. Absolute first priority. Next priority is T2 guns, then T2 drones.
Lili Lu 203	Posted - 2012.04.21 16:25:00 - [17] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: Whatever you do, make sure to check eve-survival for mission information, and pick tank/ammo accordingly. And make sure you train for a T2 tank ASAP. Absolute first priority. Next priority is T2 guns, then T2 drones. If flying a Domi, T2 drones come ahead of T2 guns. But otherwise good advice.
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 174	Posted - 2012.04.21 18:22:00 - [18] - Quote Lili Lu wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: Whatever you do, make sure to check eve-survival for mission information, and pick tank/ammo accordingly. And make sure you train for a T2 tank ASAP. Absolute first priority. Next priority is T2 guns, then T2 drones. If flying a Domi, T2 drones come ahead of T2 guns. But otherwise good advice. Well, I fly minmatar. Guns are important. However, said advice was learned the hard way. My poor shield-tanked mael went most of the way through armour a couple of times before I learned what I was doing, and had T2 resists trained. Also: SUPPORT SKILLS. DO NOT NEGLECT THEM. They can turn an adequate tank into one that doesn't require much oversight.
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations 64	Posted - 2012.04.21 20:26:00 - [19] - Quote Don't fly anything too expensive at first (unless isk is meaningless to you). Get the feel for level 4's before you splurge for a Kronos or something. As said, Domi is good. Personally I flew a Typhoon for a good long while.
MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 26	Posted - 2012.04.21 20:36:00 - [20] - Quote Well I really settled on a domi and I'm loving it!

Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.21 23:37:00 - [21] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: Well I really settled on a domi and I'm loving it! all hail to the space potato!
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 51	Posted - 2012.04.22 01:52:00 - [22] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: Well I really settled on a domi and I'm loving it! Good choice. Feel free to convo or eve-mail me if you have questions.
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 51	Posted - 2012.04.22 01:52:00 - [23] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: MICH00000 wrote: Well I really settled on a domi and I'm loving it! all hail to the space potato! That is a much kinder name than most have for it. I like to think of it as a space whale, myself.
MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 26	Posted - 2012.04.22 17:06:00 - [24] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: MICH00000 wrote: Well I really settled on a domi and I'm loving it! all hail to the space potato! That is a much kinder name than most have for it. I like to think of it as a space whale, myself. Ya I dubbed mine the space whale as well.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.04.22 19:27:00 - [25] - Quote My nightmare is called Sonic.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 83	Posted - 2012.04.23 02:45:00 - [26] - Quote It really depends on where you're missioning at. Different rats have different resists and damage types, so pick a ship to match. For example, the Abaddon is amazing against sansha and blood raider rats. Being an armor tanker, it has high natural resistance against EM and thermal damage, and deals TM/TH as well, which are the two biggest weaknesses for both of those pirate factions. However, against angel ships which deal(and are weak to) explosive and kinetic damage, it fails pretty hard Another example, gallente ships are relatively easy to tank against kin/therm damage, and they deal that, so they're good against guristas and serpentis, but only mediocre against sansha and again, quite weak against angels Shield ships have the opposite problem...great against angels, ok against guristas, still kind of ok against serp, a bit of fail against em/therm rats.
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 2	Posted - 2012.04.30 13:04:00 - [27] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: It really depends on where you're missioning at. Different rats have different resists and damage types, so pick a ship to match. For example, the Abaddon is amazing against sansha and blood raider rats. Being an armor tanker, it has high natural resistance against EM and thermal damage, and deals TM/TH as well, which are the two biggest weaknesses for both of those pirate factions. However, against angel ships which deal(and are weak to) explosive and kinetic damage, it fails pretty hard Another example, gallente ships are relatively easy to tank against kin/therm damage, and they deal that, so they're good against guristas and serpentis, but only mediocre against sansha and again, quite weak against angels Shield ships have the opposite problem...great against angels, ok against guristas, still kind of ok against serp, a bit of fail against em/therm rats. But the right skill set can overcome that nicely. The Maelstrom, for example, can be fitted with a monster tank against just about any particular NPC enemy using a damage control unit and the proper set of shield hardeners to go with a bonused active shield booster, as well as being able to throw all types of damage using artillery or autocannons. The only issue might be with the infamous bonus room of Angels Extravaganza, where you might end up having to dock up and swap out hardeners to take out the thermal cruise missile launchers. Similar deal with the Domi and active armor hardeners - except that armor tankers don't have an active equivalent to the Adaptive Invulnerability Field active shield hardener (but then, shield tankers don't have a passive version like the Adaptive Nano energized and standard plates). Four active hardeners isn't an uncommon fit for the Domi. It's also got the advantage that it can be loaded with mission-specific drones to hit the weakensses of the NPC's you're being sent out to face, rather than being stuck with just one type of damage.


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