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I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:08:00 - [1] Was killed by two red flashys in 0.8 and held out in my CNR for a good 5-10 minutes but there was not any Gallente Navy or Concord response. Am I wrong in thinking that even though they stole from one of my wrecks, started flashing then engaged me, that they can continue to kill me legally? Location: Vylade Sovereignty: Gallente Federation Security Level: 0.8 Please tell me if this is legal or not. Abit annoyed that i lost 700mil. Have a screen shot to prove it lol
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 25/01/2009 22:17:09 1. you took something back that they stole 2. they're at war with your corporation 3. you locked on to them and activated a module that can be considered to have a negative impact 4. something to do with militia of which I know absolutely nothing about If not, then yeah. It's not legal and they hacked the game code and enabled you to be shot on sight without concord attacking. Seriously though, there's no such thing as illegal in EVE as you should be well aware by now. If it's possible, then it's allowed, excluding a few cases where such mechanics have been unintended.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:16:00 - [3] Edited by: RedSplat on 25/01/2009 22:16:10 Were they red flashy before they fired on you or after? EDIT: Are you in a corp. involved in FW?
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:28:00 - [4] were they Blinking red when you first shoot em? _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:34:00 - [5] In my time playing EvE, I've dabbled with a lot of game mechanic, especially aggro mechanics. If you were killed in high sec and it took 5-10 minutes with CONCORD never coming, it's probably your fault. Maybe they stole your wreck and you shot one, then he was allowed to shoot you back. Maybe you took something back that he stole, and then his entire corp is allowed to shoot you. There's a couple different things that could have happened, but all of them involve you doing something that permitted them to attack you. I'm always amazed at how many people can amass the skillpoints and ISK required to fly powerful battleships, but still have absoultely no understanding of basic game mechanics (note that this is not a flame, but an observation). Anyways, link the screenie, might help. Also, to the poster who mentioned "hacking the game," I've never heard of any instances of hacking into the actual client of EvE. I've heard of people manipulating bugged mechanics and doing things they weren't supposed to, but never of anyone hacking the game itself to any significant impact like flagging another player to them.
Lord Windu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Tai Paktu In my time playing EvE, I've dabbled with a lot of game mechanic, especially aggro mechanics. If you were killed in high sec and it took 5-10 minutes with CONCORD never coming, it's probably your fault.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 25/01/2009 23:35:42 on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail
Sarkiss SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 25/01/2009 23:35:42 on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail pwnd. But how did you get him to flag himself to you?
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Ignition SemperFi on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail pwnd. But how did you get him to flag himself to you? He T1 fitted his CNR. No, scrap that, he fly a CNR
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:48:00 - [11] a certain victims CNR was fit with the following: [Raven Navy Issue, victim] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II [empty low slot] X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier I Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Heavy Nosferatu I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x1 ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Iyhi Baal	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:01:00 - [12] Ha ! You are just P.O. because you probably spent more killing him than he dropped. As cheap as a CNR is these days why would anyone fly a regular raven even if they could not totally t2 fit it. Pro tip: always say no to ramsoms be seeing you ! ################# I see you!
Gregor Vernof Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Ignition SemperFi We tried to ransom you before popping your terribly fitted faction warship. The reason you lasted so long in such a horribly fitted CNR was because I was holding back on the DPS to facilitate this action. You refused to pay the ransom/ignored the ransom demand/missed the ransom demand because it was too hard to see the screen through your tears (pick appropriate response here). Only I fired on you, not my Corp mate, please pay closer attention to you lossmails. Oh, and by the way, you owe me 100 M isk for wasting my time and effort and not dropping anything worth even the ammo I expended on your sorry mission running butt! (Fixed for clarity -- Greg) ... But how did you get him to flag himself to you? Inquiring minds want to know....
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:54:00 - [14] All legit ingame mechanics ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Gregor Vernof Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:47:00 - [15] Edited by: Gregor Vernof on 26/01/2009 01:47:16 Originally by: Ignition SemperFi All legit ingame mechanics Well anyone with the slightest intelligence figured that... we just want to know what dumb thing he did and "forgot" to mention in his whine post. I am thinking he shot at you since your buddy didn't have aggro rights too. I just love how the OP's of these sort tear threads always forget to add that small incriminating bit of info.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:48:00 - [16] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/01/2009 01:51:43 Originally by: Ignition SemperFi a certain victims CNR was fit with the following: Apart from some of the T1 choices that fit at least seems headed in the right direction. Not sure about the flux coils usefulness though. Anyway the real crime is the use of faction ammo. You can expend several thousand missiles in some of the really big missions, which basically means you're spending your entire mission reward plus part of the loot or salvage just to replace the ammo losses. Best case scenario you're probably spending 1-2 mil to replace your ammo unless you're getting it all from the LP store... which is itself a questionable move when you aren't even using it for PvP.
swisher Caldari Mentis Fidelis Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:41:00 - [17] this is only a possibility, but what they could have done is gotten their ships in an orca in a safespot or deadspace, gotten in their red blinky pods to jump into the high sec, and if they get into their ships in deadspace and they already have a criminal countdown and concord doesn't see them, they can (i think) engage anyone. Above all, how can you tell if this is part of my post, or my signature? Give my missiles their splash damage! \o/
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:46:00 - [18] Originally by: swisher this is only a possibility, but what they could have done is gotten their ships in an orca in a safespot or deadspace, gotten in their red blinky pods to jump into the high sec, and if they get into their ships in deadspace and they already have a criminal countdown and concord doesn't see them, they can (i think) engage anyone. But two guys couldn't kill a CNR in 0.8 before getting killed by CONCORD regardless of what ships they were using. If the one pilot really didn't even fire, as was said earlier in the thread, then it'd be even more impossible to achieve this. Also if you have a GCC in high sec CONCORD will find you because CONCORD sees everything, even on grids where there are no CONCORD ships.
POgathaS Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 25/01/2009 23:35:42 on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail Eww Ignition Raven's Gonna be ****ed at you.. Bringing a bad name to his corp like that... Tick Tock
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:52:00 - [20] who me give our corp a bad name? nevah and yes he shot me first
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.26 06:56:00 - [21] That fit actually wasn't half bad, although I never ever understood the need to try to permarun an XL booster. Seems unnecessary. A properly fit CNR can burst tank any initial aggro and then breeze thru on passive recharge with proper resists. And seriously...meta 1 launchers on a CNR? Dude...at least get arbalests. Congrats on a semi-worthless kill guys.
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 25/01/2009 22:17:09 1. you took something back that they stole 2. they're at war with your corporation 3. you locked on to them and activated a module that can be considered to have a negative impact 4. something to do with militia of which I know absolutely nothing about If not, then yeah. It's not legal and they hacked the game code and enabled you to be shot on sight without concord attacking. Seriously though, there's no such thing as illegal in EVE as you should be well aware by now. If it's possible, then it's allowed, excluding a few cases where such mechanics have been unintended. They were flashy when i engaged them
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 25/01/2009 23:35:42 on a side note... t1 fitting your CNR is not the way you should be playing eve. it deserved to die ninja edit: you held out for 5min because I was waiting for you to pay a ransom for your terribad ship. The other pilot, never shot you... look at your own lossmail lol
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi a certain victims CNR was fit with the following: [Raven Navy Issue, victim] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II [empty low slot] X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier I Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Heavy Nosferatu I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x1 i gave you 200mil you lying piece of ****, but then killed me neway
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:32:00 - [25] If the story about paying the ransom is true, heed the following: You learned the hard way, but never pay a ransom in high sec. There are no pirates in high sec. There are only scammers, and scammers are just trying to extract as much ISK from someone as possible.
Darth Obvious	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:39:00 - [26] Originally by: I3liss They were flashy when i engaged them And you shot them first?
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:41:00 - [27] Thanks guys for answering. All the contructive criticism, really helped. As for all the ***git that 'owned me' i gave him 200mil ransome and he still killed me. Ransom Screen Shot
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Darth Obvious Originally by: I3liss They were flashy when i engaged them And you shot them first? Nope. they were already flasy. Surely i cannot get flashy if i engage a flashy
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:44:00 - [29] Originally by: I3liss Ransom Now we all know your mission running account, and possibly another alt account (the 74 mil transferred back and forth minutes apart.)
I3liss	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: I3liss Ransom Now we all know your mission running account, and possibly another alt account (the 74 mil transferred back and forth minutes apart.) that was one of my corp mates giving me money for my loss, and me giving it back coz i dont need it.....and who cares?

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