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Steppa
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.01.26 02:21:00 -
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I've been gone for quite a bit from serious Eve'ing. The better part of 2008, in fact. Before I split, I'd been a huge proponent of the Ishtar for just about everything outside industry. You could literally rat forever in deep 0.0, limited only by your ability to haul crap back to be melted down (drones don't use ammo). In pvp, with the number of slots available, the opponent could never be too sure exactly what was going to be equipped. Regardless, it held its own quite nicely and the only time I ever lost one in pvp action was, I swear on all that's holy, due to a desync that had me 16 au from the people who were shooting me. Well, okay, that time and the time I got jumped in a belt. Oh, and there was that time...
Anyhoo...
As the expansions and patches rolled forward after drones were divided by 3, the Ishtar seemed to loose it's favor to the general pod population. Now, after coming back to the game, I'm seeing things about fleets of Ishtars in what is quite possibly the very pinnacle of pvp competition, the Alliance Tournament.
What sort of setups are they using? A wide variety of stuff or pretty much zeroing in on a couple of strengths and playing to those?
I've still got yon Ishtar, but having flown the damned thing for, again, the better part of a year. |
Antimony Noske
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Posted - 2009.01.26 02:57:00 -
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I wouldn't mind knowing what all the setups being used in the tournament were, actually.
Especially zealots, because I have a softspot for them. 
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.26 03:19:00 -
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Havoc? used 6 ishtars 4 stilettos. I'm assuming the ishtars sniped the other enemy fleet with wardens while the stilettos held them. |
Haalanii
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Posted - 2009.01.26 03:24:00 -
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Ishtar is great for various things. However, as is pointed out every time it airs, tournament pvp is not really comprable to what you encounter in the game normally. It's more like the "arena" model of pvp that WoW uses.
Ishtar is an awesome ratting ship, regardless. If the Gallente didn't have it I wouldn't fly anything between the taranis and the megathron. |
Spoon1
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.01.26 03:59:00 -
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Its worth noting, navy vexors are not bad ships too. Not quite as good as an ishtar but capable of far more damage. |
Kayosoni
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2009.01.26 08:07:00 -
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Useless for normal 0.0 pvp now.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2009.01.26 09:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Kayosoni
Useless for normal 0.0 pvp now.
Care to explain your point? |
king jks
BSC LEGION
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.26 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Kayosoni
Useless for normal 0.0 pvp now.
Care to explain your point?
Drones are horrible for roaming gangs or fleets, which is what all 0.0 combat is. |
Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kell Braugh on 26/01/2009 09:57:23
Originally by: Steppa
in what is quite possibly the very pinnacle of pvp competition, the Alliance Tournament.
its been a while since I had a good laugh, thanks.
And ishys are great for 0.0 because they are drone based..
Need to Snipe? Deploy Bouncers
Need to Gank? Deploy Ogres
Need to rep your mate after a skirmish? Deploy Med/Large Armor Bots
Tackled at a gate by an inty and need to gfo cause his mates are in warp? deploy ecms/warrors depending on how you feel.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2009.01.26 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
Useless for normal 0.0 pvp now.
Wrong. Sure, you can't nano it up any longer, but there's still other setups that make it well worth flying. |
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2009.01.26 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: king jks
Drones are horrible for roaming gangs or fleets, which is what all 0.0 combat is.
If you jump 100 men fleet on one poor raven - maybe. For fights with similiar numbers ishtars are fine: point, web, mwd, eccm/td, cap booster, decent dps, whole range of damage type, decent armor tank, decent speed, low sig, decent agility.
Its a very versatile HAC.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.26 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt
Originally by: Kayosoni
Useless for normal 0.0 pvp now.
Wrong. Sure, you can't nano it up any longer, but there's still other setups that make it well worth flying.
Indeed, they are pretty tough little ships and can beat the crap outta people when enough of them. I would call it overpowered, but its one of the few good things gallente has going for it.
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Haalanii
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Posted - 2009.01.26 11:18:00 -
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Drones are balanced by both the fact you micro-manage them and they are targetable, unlike turrets or launchers.
I don't think you could really nerf the Ishtar's bandwith as it costs more than a dominix and it would just be a more agile but vastly over-priced Myrmidon. That is exactly the sad state of affairs in the "Brutix versus Deimos" situation today.
As I said before, if it wern't for the Ishtar, I'd fly no gallente ships other than taranis and mega.
It DOES suck in large fleets because sentries are not good enough anti-support to match a zealot and heavies are too slow. It's great for roaming and very good for solo.
The Ishtar is an excellent boat, although it has only 3 turrets (down from the vexor's 4) and a very limited amount of fitting. If it had more cpu and grid it would be debatably over-powered. You can get a good tank on with basic tackle mods in the mids only by fitting faction (lower cpu use). If you want a full t2 fit you have issue squeezing on certain mods (in particular a T2 cloak). |
Steppa
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:32:00 -
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I always used to fit nos in the highs (two faction mediums and one small). The tactic was always to close as quickly as possible and get under their guns, orbit at point blank, and let the heavies pound them to slag.
Does that still fly today? At 67+ million sp, I'm heavily invested in drones with nearly everything maxed. As far as the Ishtar, I'm maxed on it's bonuses as well.
As far as the Navy Vexor is concerned, is that true that it can outdamage the Isthar? If so, I'd say the trade-off is survivability. If memory serves, the Navy Vexor's resists/armor/shield etc weren't close to the HAC. |
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