Originally by: Blind Man

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okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Rieger VaunBraun

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Originally by: rubico1337

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simple answer to the big alliance locking down a wormspace system:

once a POS is set up in a system, only allow w-w jumps to spawn, if they need to get back to k space they would have to go though another wormspace system

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Wow man. With all of the crying and gnashing of teeth in this thread this is the simplest and most elegant solution that I have seen presented here.

+1 to you sir.

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Ignoring the fact that it's seems like a horribly blunt solution and you would have a hard time justifying it. Building a structure in space will somehow change the very nature of space around it within an entire solarsystem?

What will be the end result? Every system has a POS and wormspace is cut off from rest of EVE? Having no moon systems, so some connections to the rest of EVE are still there? Basicly killing the whole feature just to address one flaw in it?

Certainly not a elegant solution.

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Originally by: War Fairy

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Ok I'm going to open the can of worms.

What's wrong with no moon minerals?

What's wrong with no POSes?

Simple easy solutions.

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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Summary: no permanent structures in W-space; new resources exploitable without use of permanent structures; possible later expansion of game mechanics.

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Originally by: Hi Lo

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What about jumping?

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Originally by: Blind Man

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okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener

Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: rubico1337

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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Summary: no permanent structures in W-space; new resources exploitable without use of permanent structures; possible later expansion of game mechanics.

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i am going to have to grudgingly agree with you, ive mulled over it quite a bit but there is no real way to allow small corp POSes without allowing large alliance asshattery. and given how epic this can be, and how crappy it could be if it is done wrong, i would air on the side of caution. POSs should not be allowed to be set up in wormspace

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Other than bombs and a few other things,
In eve, the game logic is if you can, you should be able to. Unless NPCs come and blow up your station there is no reason not to be allowed to deploy a POS with the already set in place fuel requirements. DO you really understand how much of a pain in the ass it is going to be to refuel even ONE POS? With the number of systems in 0.0 space and the number of these systems, you'll have 1000 of POSes just sitting there, getting killed by frigates.

what happens when a POS runs oout of fuel? in Wormhole space it should be instantly taken down by NPCs. If a large allaince can take 5 Wormhole system then... awesome, good for them. They will be the hardest thing to defend the game has ever seen.

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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Edited by: Kessiaan on 28/01/2009 02:27:05
The people saying "ZOMG YOU CAN'T DO LOGISTICS IN W SPACE CAUSE SHIFTING WORMHOLES!" need to read up the last 30 pages or so - it's been explained several times how, under current mechanics, you can pop open a wormhole to anyplace you want from any W system with far more than enough regularity to run logistics through it - the bigger the target area, the larger probability you'll hit it on each attempt.

That said I do think the threat of large alliances taking over huge sections of W space is a bit overstated. Every reasonable proposed method for 'settling' W space capitalizes on the facts that W systems always have a K space connection and that connection can be respawned at will.

This means that every colonized W system *must* have a permanent staff sufficient to operate and defend the POS - which means industrialists and gunners, as well as exploration characters to locate system exists and w space exploration sites, and enough combat characters (and maybe miners) to make the whole thing worthwhile. My own guestimations lead me to believe every permanent POS in w-space will need, at a minimum, a 10 person staff, who, critically, can never leave that system.

For a tiny corp looking to live on the fringe that's fine. They can *all* move out there and have a dandy time. For a big alliance though, that means 10 less people that could be doing something else and can't defend the rest of the empire. I think manpower, more than anything else, is what will keep big alliances from taking over more than a few (<20) systems each.

All that said, deathstar POS's are horribly unbalanced if they're placed in a location where the ships designed to beat them (namely, dreads) can't reach them.

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It's a game, it should be fun, if it's not fun, throw it away.

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After hearing this come up countless times (not here very much though), I've come to the conclusion 'fun' is a spot on a line between 'relaxing' and 'challenging'. This spot varies from person to person and EvE as a whole is tilted very heavily toward the 'challenging' side of the continuum.

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Originally by: Blind Man

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okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener