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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2009.01.26 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 20:45:47
Its only a shadow of its former glory.
What is extremely annoying is it can take minutes to kill a single frigate in rapier as well as huginn with the nerfed webs.
Add the fact that it cant cloak, and lacks dps to reasonably engage anything but frigates, and you got a useless ship. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 20:55:43
 Originally by: Perry
You can use target painters! They are very usefull! And now that Speed is dead, Webs are also usefull! Trust me!
Webs are useless now, didnt you get the memo? A decently fit interceptor will outrun Rapier/Huginn even if double-webbed.
Compare that to the sheer stopping power of the Arazu/Lachesis, one scrambler and they're dead meat.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:03:40
Originally by: Julius Romanus
That isnt true unless you're talking a snaked claymore'd ceptor. Even with a full "nano" fit(which is an awful fit) my sader does less than 1300m/s under dual webs.
I know its slightly exaggerated, but you get the idea.
If you are on anti-frig duty, you got a minute until your cap is too low for mwd usage, and then you're worthless. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:12:23
Originally by: Julius Romanus
I find it self defeating to exaggerate how bad something is when you're trying to get something boosted. And my sader is dead before that minute is up if I'm burning MWD(sig radius).
Eh, sink a few million SP into the minnie recons, and you'll understand me I guess.
And the sader would be killed by a Jaguar in a few seconds, why should I even bother to use a 100mill recon for that task and take forever, more so if I have to wait forever after the kill to be ready for the next...
Quote:
[Huginn, Anti-Falcon]
Rapier is much better for this kind of work. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 22:18:20
Originally by: Skira Ranos
If the jaguar could even catch the ceptor.
Wanna 1vs1 my Jaguar in a ceptor of your choice? 
Killing ceptors in Jag is a cakewalk:
1) mwd in a straight line in a random direction
2) hit approach + overload mwd
3) scramble + web + shoot
4) profit |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.27 03:55:00 -
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Imo the best way to give it back its teeth is by boosting dps and tank a bit, not necessarily its web strength.
- more powergrid so you can at least fit HAMs and 180s plus a decent shield buffer and a gyro / bcu each
- plus 10m¦ dronebay for flexibility, can use either 2 waves light drones for antifrigate duty or a set of mediums against cruiser size
Thats a combat recon I'd like.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 30/01/2009 19:05:37
Originally by: techzer0
I don't know your setup, but I can get 2x LSE's and 180s on my Huginn right now. I use Heavies, not HAMs, but meh...
HAMs fit with 1 RCU... 331 theoretical DPS with my skills, 377 with all 5s, room for two projectile rigs or w/e you want, plus enough CPU to swap out the two nanos for any lowslot mod, gyros etc. No less survivability than a Vagabond 
I'd like to fit something like this without still needing a +5% pg implant even at max skills, and its even named LSEs:
[Huginn, HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Even replacing the t2 HAMs with named launchers it needs a +3 pg implant, and replacing one LSE with a invul. field doesnt get me anywhere basically because my gain on dps gets eaten as I have to pay it with buffer.
As soon as fitting mods get involved the gain over a setup without HAMs but 2 damage mods gets smaller and smaller, not worth it either imo.
Really a pity, with its bonus to HAMs, webs and target painters it could be one hell of a short-range missile platform, but somehow I hate needing to buy a 100mill+ implant as well as completely maxed fitting skills just to fit it properly.
Edit: well, I could probably remove the ambit rig there without losing too much, but it'd just downsize the needed pg implant by one size.
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